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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:03:54 PM EDT
[#1]
I don't think of strikes as the problem, but rather some sort of reaction to something. If something comes down to striking, something along the lines failed and public need to take notice for good or bad. However, many of our local gov jobs are union but vital. So no.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:05:05 PM EDT
[#2]
yep they should have the same right as others, and then they can face the same the FAA controllers did.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:07:44 PM EDT
[#3]
Of course they should have the right to strike. It is about as unAmerican as you can get to force someone to work against their will.
Now, if the question was whether it should be legal to replace striking public workers, you might get a different answer. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:11:52 PM EDT
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I support the right of public employees to strike. How is a public employees union any different from a private sector union? Why should the rules be different?
Kasich will never succeed in eliminating the collective bargaining system in Ohio. It's a fair system. It is unlawful for safety forces to strike except for specific circumstances. In the absence of collective bargaining, administrators of political subdivisions would force employees in to slave labor if they could get away with it. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:12:08 PM EDT
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Of course they should have the right to strike. It is about as unAmerican as you can get to force someone to work against their will. Now, if the question was whether it should be legal to replace striking public workers, you might get a different answer. What, you can't quit if you're a union member? Don't like it? Get a new gig. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:21:53 PM EDT
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One thought is that you only have 1 group providing the services where you live. (normally) If street department "X" goes on strike you can't get the snow plowed by street department "Y", unlike if for instance Goodyear went on strike and you could just buy Firestone. Now of course you could move, but couldn't the people unhappy about their job do the same? |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:24:03 PM EDT
[#7]
If they are on the taxpayers dole they have no right to unionize let alone strike.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:24:13 PM EDT
[#8]
Going on strike should be legal, regardless of your occupation.
That said, it should be legal for any employer to fire them all and hire new employees. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:24:59 PM EDT
[#9]
They should have the right to strike. They should also have the right to be fired for not showing up.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:28:09 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted: Quoted: Of course they should have the right to strike. It is about as unAmerican as you can get to force someone to work against their will. Now, if the question was whether it should be legal to replace striking public workers, you might get a different answer. What, you can't quit if you're a union member? Don't like it? Get a new gig. But those people don't think that way. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:32:11 PM EDT
[#11]
Sure you can strike and if no one else qualified enough puts in an application to do your job because it doesn't pay enough, you can get a raise.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:34:41 PM EDT
[#12]
There shouldn't be public unions, period.
Government isn't a profit-seeking enterprise exploiting the people who work there, which is the rationale for unionism. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:36:24 PM EDT
[#13]
I have no problem with organizing but they should not be protected from termination if they strike for any reason, public or private.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:37:38 PM EDT
[#14]
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yep they should have the same right as others, and then they can face the same the FAA controllers did. my thoughts exactly. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:37:44 PM EDT
[#15]
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There shouldn't be public unions, period. Government isn't a profit-seeking enterprise exploiting the people who work there, which is the rationale for unionism. You're right, the government is not capable of exploiting it's employees. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:38:55 PM EDT
[#16]
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There shouldn't be public unions, period. Government isn't a profit-seeking enterprise exploiting the people who work there, which is the rationale for unionism. But the .gov unions are here, and in pretty large numbers. Would you rather they are able to strike or go through binding arbitration because at the moment those are pretty much the two options I am aware of 
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:41:58 PM EDT
[#17]
Sure they have the right to walk out and strike, but so does their employer have the right to fire their ass and hire someone else. You cant call for workers rights while ignoring the rights of the employer because that would make you a hypocrite. If you don't like where you work, find another job, that easy.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:43:10 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
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Of course they should have the right to strike. It is about as unAmerican as you can get to force someone to work against their will. Now, if the question was whether it should be legal to replace striking public workers, you might get a different answer. What, you can't quit if you're a union member? Don't like it? Get a new gig. That is also an option. All a strike is, is an organized way of not going to work. Making not coming to work a crime except in the case of the military strikes me as absurd. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:44:17 PM EDT
[#19]
I don't support public employee unions in the first place.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:49:28 PM EDT
[#20]
Sure.
Just like the air traffic controllers did. 
-Z |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:49:58 PM EDT
[#21]
Yes, they should be able to strike. Yes, their employers should be able to fire them in such an event.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:50:58 PM EDT
[#22]
FUCK NO. Public Employee Unions shouldn't even be allowed to EXIST.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:51:48 PM EDT
[#23]
I don't support any Unions or Strikes. you don't want to work for what we're offering... fine. See ya. I'll hire somebody that will.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:54:16 PM EDT
[#24]
The government should be hiring the best people for the job since its purpose is to serve the people, not the employees.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:57:50 PM EDT
[#25]
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They should have the right to strike. They should also have the right to be fired for not showing up. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:03:53 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted: Quoted: They should have the right to strike. They should also have the right to be fired for not showing up. Yeah, not sure I understand the question as the answer is so obvious. Striking is fine, just fire the fucks. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:20:29 PM EDT
[#27]
no I do not support them going on strike
why - because they have jobs that serve the public and Unions suck |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:36:17 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted: no I do not support them going on strike why - because they have jobs that serve the public and Unions suck Huh? So they're indentured servants because they serve the public? Best way to bust unions is to ignore them. If they strike, fire them, pay the price, and hire non union. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:27:44 PM EDT
[#29]
Yeah, as long as they are allowed to fire them for refusal to work.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:58:32 PM EDT
[#30]
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Of course they should have the right to strike. It is about as unAmerican as you can get to force someone to work against their will. Now, if the question was whether it should be legal to replace striking public workers, you might get a different answer. This. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 11:03:57 PM EDT
[#31]
Any employment that you can leave at will, that you voluntarily entered cannot exploit it's employees. Including government workers.
Government workers can easily exploit everyone else, and the ability to strike, protected by laws that make it illegal to replace them, simply make it easier. Only the taxpayer can be exploited, because it's not voluntary. Quoted:
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There shouldn't be public unions, period. Government isn't a profit-seeking enterprise exploiting the people who work there, which is the rationale for unionism. You're right, the government is not capable of exploiting it's employees. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 11:05:55 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: Why or why not? I don't support their ability to exist. It's supposed to be public service... The Army doesn't have a union, no other government job should either... |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 11:07:55 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: Best way to bust unions is to ignore them. If they strike, fire them, pay the price, and hire non union. Except that the government can make you take the union folks back... Unions are 'protected'. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 11:08:03 PM EDT
[#34]
FDR was a socialist big government busy body... but he had their number. Not only no strikes but no unions for public workers.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 11:09:22 PM EDT
[#35]
Sure, they should be allowed to strike. And their employer should be able to fire them at any time.
Might be a great way to keep the size of government down. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 11:13:05 PM EDT
[#36]
As long as it is illegal for unions to coerce a public vote, and as long as it's illegal for a union to force a closed shop, and as long as it's legal for an employer, including the .gov, to fire union members en mass when any portion of a union goes on strike fails to go to work with no legal recourse, I'm all for .gov employees being able to go on strike.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 11:25:13 PM EDT
[#37]
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Best way to bust unions is to ignore them. If they strike, fire them, pay the price, and hire non union. Except that the government can make you take the union folks back... Unions are 'protected'. And that is the problem. Take away the government protection, and I doubt that many people would have much of a problem with unions. I know I wouldn't. |
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Posted: 12/17/2010 12:04:17 AM EDT
[#38]
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There shouldn't be public unions, period. Government isn't a profit-seeking enterprise exploiting the people who work there, which is the rationale for unionism. |
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Posted: 12/17/2010 12:10:15 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: I don't support public employee unions in the first place. |
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Posted: 12/17/2010 12:15:08 AM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Best way to bust unions is to ignore them. If they strike, fire them, pay the price, and hire non union. Except that the government can make you take the union folks back... Unions are 'protected'. And that is the problem. Take away the government protection, and I doubt that many people would have much of a problem with unions. I know I wouldn't. I wouldn't, so long as anti-trust law applied to unions the same as it did to corporations... Eg, no price-fixing, no anti competitive behavior. |
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Posted: 12/17/2010 12:34:03 AM EDT
[#41]
Yeah screw the teachers, police and firemen............
are you guys serious............? |
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Posted: 12/17/2010 3:25:37 AM EDT
[#42]
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There shouldn't be public unions, period. Government isn't a profit-seeking enterprise exploiting the people who work there, which is the rationale for unionism. |
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Posted: 12/17/2010 3:37:51 AM EDT
[#43]
Fuck them. They already steal enough of my money
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Posted: 12/17/2010 3:40:56 AM EDT
[#44]
I think they should be allowed to strike.
I also think it should be legal to fire them if they do so. |
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Posted: 12/17/2010 3:44:09 AM EDT
[#45]
Quoted: Going on strike should be legal, regardless of your occupation. That said, it should be legal for any employer to fire them all and hire new employees. This I fully support the IDEA of unions and collective bargaining. I have no idea where it went wrong, but it becoming impossible for employers to fire people was certainly a big part of that. I would be in a Union if they didn't do the socialist crap.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 3:47:36 AM EDT
[#46]
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There shouldn't be public unions, period. Government isn't a profit-seeking enterprise exploiting the people who work there, which is the rationale for unionism. But the .gov unions are here, and in pretty large numbers. Would you rather they are able to strike or go through binding arbitration because at the moment those are pretty much the two options I am aware of I like the way we do it here in NC- the state and municipalities are prohibited by law from signing any collective bargaining contract. So the IAFF can "organize" a FD, but they can't force the firefighters into a contract or to be represented by the IAFF, and there can't be an organized strike. The union can advocate for the members, but doesn't negotiate for them. So you can refuse to show up to work if you don't like the conditions. and the employer can replace you if someone else does like them. And of that means the Obama cock-gobbling goons that run the IAFF have less power and money to work against my freedoms, I am all for it. |
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Posted: 12/17/2010 3:50:50 AM EDT
[#47]
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Going on strike should be legal, regardless of your occupation. That said, it should be legal for any employer to fire them all and hire new employees. This I fully support the IDEA of unions and collective bargaining. I have no idea where it went wrong, but it becoming impossible for employers to fire people was certainly a big part of that. I would be in a Union if they didn't do the socialist crap. yeppers Round here the bus's and subway drivers like to strike every 2 years or so the city grids to a halt, schools can't open and the like. the city always caves and gives them more $$ i hope one of these times they just fire them all. How hard is it to find someone to drive a bus in a 10% unemployment philadelphia |
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Posted: 12/17/2010 3:53:41 AM EDT
[#48]
I don't support any "democratic" (aka "mob rule") organization wielding coercive power to meet arbitrary demands.
Not to mention...newcomers to those places do not have a real choice whether to join or not, hence the "coercion" factor. Fuck all unions, basically. |
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Posted: 12/17/2010 3:55:09 AM EDT
[#49]
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Going on strike should be legal, regardless of your occupation. That said, it should be legal for any employer to fire them all and hire new employees. This I fully support the IDEA of unions and collective bargaining. I have no idea where it went wrong, but it becoming impossible for employers to fire people was certainly a big part of that. I would be in a Union if they didn't do the socialist crap. why do you think they "do socialist crap?" They do that shit because they're little microcosms of mob rule! Look at the big picture...like the electorate in the United States that is convinced they actually have a voice in government, and you have the same thing, only the macro view. |
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Posted: 12/17/2010 4:03:05 AM EDT
[#50]
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Yeah screw the teachers, police and firemen............ are you guys serious............? Sure. The IAFF may "represent" firefighters, but at its core it is a pure leftist, socialist organization run by hard core socialists who make Nancy Pelosi seem like a moderate. In 2008 IAFF officers were appearing in AFL-CIO mailers telling them members how big a supporter of the Second Amendment Obama is, and they should vote for him to protect their guns. Why should I give them a pass on joining such an organization? |
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