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Posted: 8/15/2005 6:44:18 PM EDT
The title speaks for itself.
-Is there a price that you would consider 'proper'? If so, how have you reached this conclusion?
-Do you believe in your position because of national economic concerns (the trickle down effect on consumer goods), or do you simply want to erase the line item 'gas' from your annual budget?
-Fuel is brought you you through private concerns, and with that comes the motivation of profit. Do you want to freeze profit levels ah-la regulated utiltiy companies, or go for an outright nationalization of the industry (and commodity brokering)?
-If you do feel that there is a proper price for retail fuel, do you also agree that there should be a similarly set price for retail housing?

Discuss!

Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:47:12 PM EDT
I will pay any price to help keep the oil barons from starving in the streets.
These guys have it rough and we should all help em out.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:48:01 PM EDT

No.

I'll let the market (supply/demand) decide the equilibrium price, and then I'll decide how much I am willing to buy at that price (and change my consumption, if necessary).

I don't believe it's possible for a market to "owe" me anything, or for me to "deserve" any price.


I am but an insignificant pawn in the mighty engine of the capitalist market!
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:48:37 PM EDT
I don't feel I deserve to pay more or less, All I know is that a lower price would ease the burden on my budget.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:48:52 PM EDT
Yes...I want the price the market dictates


And not a penny more!


Sgatr1`5
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:50:56 PM EDT
Personally I drive about 300 miles a month on my dime so even if gas costs $5 a gallon it won't be the end of the my world, just the end of the US economy as we know it
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:51:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
I will pay any price to help keep the oil barons from starving in the streets.
These guys have it rough and we should all help em out.



Who are the "oil barons"?
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:52:16 PM EDT
If the prices are based on supply and demand, why don't we send some canned sunshine to arabland and when the glow fades bump up the supply?
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:52:35 PM EDT
NOT ANOTHER WHINY GAS PRICE THREAD!!!

Here's my take on the damn issue:

Do you all forget the prices during the Carter administration? And wages were a hell of a lot less back then so quit crying!

Hopefully this is going to bring the drive to start oil production in this nation. Maybe that's the purpose behind these prices, to make us less dependent on ROP oil. We have more oil than the ROP nations waiting to be drilled.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:53:34 PM EDT
No...
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:53:42 PM EDT
No more than I deserve low lettuce prices. The market is the market.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:54:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ipschoser1:
If the prices are based on supply and demand, why don't we send some canned sunshine to arabland and when the glow fades bump up the supply?



Because there are plenty of stockpiles of a whole lot of oil just sitting around.

We have more oil to be drilled in our nation than the ROP nations.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:54:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MachinegunManiac:
We have more oil than the ROP nations waiting to be drilled.





And where would this magical, mythical reserve be located? In Utopia? I dont think thats part of the US as of yet.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:55:08 PM EDT
No. As long as the regulatory playing field is level I don't have an issue with the price. I will tell you what does burn my ass is those muckity mucks who don't like work from home policies when it isn't ever going to matter to their 800K salaries how much it costs to drive to work.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:55:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
I will pay any price to help keep the oil barons from starving in the streets.
These guys have it rough and we should all help em out.



Who are the "oil barons"?



Arbusto Energy
Anadarko, USA
BHP Billiton, Australia
BP, UK
Chevron, USA
Citgo, USA
ConocoPhillips, USA
CNOOC, China
Ecopetrol, Colombia
ENI, Italy
Exxon Mobil, USA
Gulf Oil, USA
Husky Energy, Canada
Irving Oil, Canada
Koch Oil
Kerr McGee, USA
The Louisiana Land & Exploration Company, USA
Lukoil, Russia
Marathon, USA
Norsk Hydro, Norway
PDVSA, Venezuela
Petrobras, Brazil
Petroleos Mexicanos, México
Petro Canada, Canada
Petro Peru, Peru
PetroChina, China
Petrotrin, Trinidad and Tobago
Petronas, Malaysia
Qatar Petroleum
Repsol-YPF, Spain
Royal Dutch Shell, Netherlands, UK
Santos Limited, Australia
Saudi Aramco, Saudi Arabia
Sinclair Oil Corporation, USA
Sinopec, China
Sonangol, Angola
Statoil, Norway
Talisman Energy, Canada
Teikoku Oil, Japan
Total, France
Woodside, Australia
YPF, Argentina
YPFB, Bolivia
YUKOS, Russia
IOC, India
ONGC, India
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:56:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By MachinegunManiac:
We have more oil than the ROP nations waiting to be drilled.





And where would this magical, mythical reserve be located? In Utopia? I dont think thats part of the US as of yet.



Close. Alberta, Canada.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:56:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MachinegunManiac:
NOT ANOTHER WHINY GAS PRICE THREAD!!!

Here's my take on the damn issue:

Do you all forget the prices during the Carter administration? And wages were a hell of a lot less back then so quit crying!

Hopefully this is going to bring the drive to start oil production in this nation. Maybe that's the purpose behind these prices, to make us less dependent on ROP oil. We have more oil than the ROP nations waiting to be drilled.

Who the fuck do you think you are making a logical point? You cant start doing that until you have more than 10,000 posts... so start talking drivel!!!

I dont think though that it is a drive to so make us less dependent on oil. The prices are made from what we pay for per barrel. I think we are LONG overdue to start using alternative sources... WAY overdue.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:56:34 PM EDT
I miss 99 cent a gallon gas from 5 years ago, but I didn't waste it cause it was cheap. Haven't changed my habits at the higher prices either and ain't going out looking to buy a small econocrap 4 banger or hybrid either
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:58:34 PM EDT
Absolutely not.
I want lower gas prices and have no problem getting miffed until they return to a price I think is reasonable.

Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:58:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 7:04:29 PM EDT by Roadhawk]
Price ceilings have 3 predictable effects...

1 - They increase the quantity of fuel demanded.

2 - They decrease the quantity supplied.

3 - They create market shortages.

I'll let the market dictate the price through supply and demand.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:02:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:03:06 PM EDT
I feel like I'm being raped at the pump. Things would go a lot smoother if I received a reach around...
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:03:23 PM EDT
Fuckin' A
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:05:15 PM EDT


Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
I will pay any price to help keep the oil barons from starving in the streets.
These guys have it rough and we should all help em out.



Who are the "oil barons"?



Arbusto Energy
Anadarko, USA
BHP Billiton, Australia
BP, UK
Chevron, USA
Citgo, USA
ConocoPhillips, USA
CNOOC, China
Ecopetrol, Colombia
ENI, Italy
Exxon Mobil, USA
Gulf Oil, USA
Husky Energy, Canada
Irving Oil, Canada
Koch Oil
Kerr McGee, USA
The Louisiana Land & Exploration Company, USA
Lukoil, Russia
Marathon, USA
Norsk Hydro, Norway
PDVSA, Venezuela
Petrobras, Brazil
Petroleos Mexicanos, México
Petro Canada, Canada
Petro Peru, Peru
PetroChina, China
Petrotrin, Trinidad and Tobago
Petronas, Malaysia
Qatar Petroleum
Repsol-YPF, Spain
Royal Dutch Shell, Netherlands, UK
Santos Limited, Australia
Saudi Aramco, Saudi Arabia
Sinclair Oil Corporation, USA
Sinopec, China
Sonangol, Angola
Statoil, Norway
Talisman Energy, Canada
Teikoku Oil, Japan
Total, France
Woodside, Australia
YPF, Argentina
YPFB, Bolivia
YUKOS, Russia
IOC, India
ONGC, India



They were "starving in the streets" not but 7 years ago. In the end, it all comes out. And most of those above are publically traded corporations so if you think they are rolling in profits, BUY SOME STOCK. The one exception I know of is Koch.

Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:06:05 PM EDT
I hope they raise the price of bottled water so someone can make a stupid analogy so I won't feel so bad.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:06:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 7:09:27 PM EDT by Jack19]
How much of the price of a gallon of gasoline sold in the US is federal tax?
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:07:12 PM EDT
average tax on gas is around 45 cents
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:08:40 PM EDT
Do I deserve low fuel prices?

I believe in supply and demand, and if prices go up, then I'm gonna have to pay what they're gonna charge. Do I hate corporate greed? Oh hell yes. It won't kill me if gas prices go up to $5 a gallon, but it will hurt. I'll adjust my habits and try to conserve. Maybe even change to a different vehicle.

Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:10:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JeromeAvers:
average tax on gas is around 45 cents



In a commie state. Federal excise tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon. 24.4 cents on diesel. Farking bastages.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:16:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
I will pay any price to help keep the oil barons from starving in the streets.
These guys have it rough and we should all help em out.



Who are the "oil barons"?



Take your pick.

There's a reason why God gave us fifty BMG rifles and AP ammo.



Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:21:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LoginName:

There's a reason why God gave us fifty BMG rifles and AP ammo.





Too bad the military industrial complex and Bush is engaged in Iraq with the specific goal of increasing the cost of .50 BMG ammo by artifically stimulating great demand.

For those of you with weak sarcasim-fu, this is a joke.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:25:56 PM EDT
Do we get oil from Russian and if not why?
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:33:17 PM EDT
I'll just point out the irony of them having camels and plenty of fuel, and us having cars and plenty of feed.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:35:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 7:36:12 PM EDT by Torf]

Originally Posted By Moof:
I'll just point out the irony of them having camels and plenty of fuel, and us having cars and plenty of feed.



Ahhhh! The perfect reason for international free trade, and the perfect example of why isolationism is a dead end policy.

Thanks!
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:37:35 PM EDT
Yes, I do. As a citizen of the most powerful nation in the world, I feel that we all deserve the best of everything. We ought to trade the oil producing nations one bushel of grain for one barrel of oil. If they don't agree, let the fuckers drink their oil.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:52:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Arkansas_Rocketman:
Yes, I do. As a citizen of the most powerful nation in the world, I feel that we all deserve the best of everything. We ought to trade the oil producing nations one bushel of grain for one barrel of oil. If they don't agree, let the fuckers drink their oil.



Needed to be added :" because we can make ethanol and biodiesel from our crops"
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:54:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo:
Do we get oil from Russian and if not why?



The major player in Russia is deliquent in taxes to the Russian government and the production is thusly limited. Legally, Russia cannot take over production yet any additional pumped is assessed the back-tax penalty.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:55:13 PM EDT
I'm not worthy!
I'm not worthy!
I'm not worthy!
I'm not worthy!
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:58:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Arkansas_Rocketman:
Yes, I do. As a citizen of the most powerful nation in the world, I feel that we all deserve the best of everything. We ought to trade the oil producing nations one bushel of grain for one barrel of oil. If they don't agree, let the fuckers drink their oil.



Needed to be added :" because we can make ethanol and biodiesel from our crops"



That's a good point, Keith, but wouldn't it be fun to squeeze the middle east 'till it squealed?
I'd be willing to drive a hybrid to see that happen.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:59:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jack19:
How much of the price of a gallon of gasoline sold in the US is federal tax?



Damn---A thinker is among us!!-------Want to lower the price? Drop the Tax!
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 8:04:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
I will pay any price to help keep the oil barons from starving in the streets.
These guys have it rough and we should all help em out.



Who are the "oil barons"?



Arbusto Energy
Anadarko, USA
BHP Billiton, Australia
BP, UK
Chevron, USA
Citgo, USA
ConocoPhillips, USA
CNOOC, China
Ecopetrol, Colombia
ENI, Italy
Exxon Mobil, USA
Gulf Oil, USA
Husky Energy, Canada
Irving Oil, Canada
Koch Oil
Kerr McGee, USA
The Louisiana Land & Exploration Company, USA
Lukoil, Russia
Marathon, USA
Norsk Hydro, Norway
PDVSA, Venezuela
Petrobras, Brazil
Petroleos Mexicanos, México
Petro Canada, Canada
Petro Peru, Peru
PetroChina, China
Petrotrin, Trinidad and Tobago
Petronas, Malaysia
Qatar Petroleum
Repsol-YPF, Spain
Royal Dutch Shell, Netherlands, UK
Santos Limited, Australia
Saudi Aramco, Saudi Arabia
Sinclair Oil Corporation, USA
Sinopec, China
Sonangol, Angola
Statoil, Norway
Talisman Energy, Canada
Teikoku Oil, Japan
Total, France
Woodside, Australia
YPF, Argentina
YPFB, Bolivia
YUKOS, Russia
IOC, India
ONGC, India


You left out Occidental Petroleum.

CW
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 8:05:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
No.

I'll let the market (supply/demand) decide the equilibrium price, and then I'll decide how much I am willing to buy at that price (and change my consumption, if necessary).





as long as it's a healthy market (free of collusion, oligopoly, etc.) I'd agree with you.

Oh wait .... opec.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 8:09:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Arkansas_Rocketman:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Arkansas_Rocketman:
Yes, I do. As a citizen of the most powerful nation in the world, I feel that we all deserve the best of everything. We ought to trade the oil producing nations one bushel of grain for one barrel of oil. If they don't agree, let the fuckers drink their oil.



Needed to be added :" because we can make ethanol and biodiesel from our crops"



That's a good point, Keith, but wouldn't it be fun to squeeze the middle east 'till it squealed?
I'd be willing to drive a hybrid to see that happen.



How about we farm all of the fallow land for "fuel crops"? That would put the screws to the oil cartels.

Then we take the pressed seed from the oil crops and the distiller's dried grain from the ethanol process and make high quality anomal feed from it, flooding the world markets for this high quality animal feed. DDG is high in protein and fiber and pressed oilseed cake is also high in protein and starches. This makes perfect animal feed but is really poor for human consumption.

You know what happened with NAFTA? The cheap US corn forced most Mexican farmers from growing corn as the imported grain is cheaper. We screwed Mexico on that one and it turned out to bite our butts in illegal immigration. But flooding the world markets with dirt cheap animal feed would hurt other foreign agricultural economies, all while bolstering domestic agriculture.

Why food? Because even in the United States where food has never been cheaper, we spend much more on food than gasoline.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 8:14:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thinman:

Originally Posted By Jack19:
How much of the price of a gallon of gasoline sold in the US is federal tax?



Damn---A thinker is among us!!-------Want to lower the price? Drop the Tax!



I guess you don't enjoy using roads . . .
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 8:17:01 PM EDT
Look again how tax monies are spent and what percent goes to road building and repair.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 8:17:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 8:17:59 PM EDT by Torf]

Originally Posted By jquillen1985:

Originally Posted By thinman:

Originally Posted By Jack19:
How much of the price of a gallon of gasoline sold in the US is federal tax?



Damn---A thinker is among us!!-------Want to lower the price? Drop the Tax!



I guess you don't enjoy using roads . . .



Let me introduce you to "General Fund".

He's tough as nails, and doesn't take a cut sitting down.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 8:19:12 PM EDT
I deserve Supply and Demand Prices, just like everybody else.

Oil barrons, who are they? Are they like media barrons, or movie barrons?

Boy if the "oil barrons" are stock companies....buy their stock, quick....and get rich, quick.

goverment is the single biggest profiteer from oil revinues. governmental taxing entities invest no money, no effort, but are a cost to the end user of the petroleum products. governments, especially socialist governments, make 'obscene profits' from oil. The end user carries these "parasite barrons" on his back.

If governments would stop collecting ALL taxes on gasoline we could buy gasoline for about half of the present cost.

The finding-cost for saudi oil can be as low as a dollar a barrel. The finding cost for some American oil is as high as $50 a barrel. That's not what determines the price of oil. Price is determined by oil buyers, not sellers.

The real problem is that the chinese economy is growing rapidly and that 25% of the worlds population is in that economy. Want to lower gasoline prices? Easy, just crash the economy of china and, while your at it, the economies of all the developed nations.

Do you have enough power to do it?

Link Posted: 8/15/2005 8:19:29 PM EDT
I feel I deserve not to hear people whine about gas prices non-stop for the past decade.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 8:22:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By jquillen1985:

Originally Posted By thinman:

Originally Posted By Jack19:
How much of the price of a gallon of gasoline sold in the US is federal tax?



Damn---A thinker is among us!!-------Want to lower the price? Drop the Tax!



I guess you don't enjoy using roads . . .



Let me introduce you to "General Fund".

He's tough as nails, and doesn't take a cut sitting down.






Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:17:59 AM EDT
Heck yeah, I deserve low gas prices just like I deserve low computer prices! The only reason that gas is so high is GOVERNMENT. Government restricts development on new sources, government allows frivolous lawsuits to block new projects, government levies such high taxes that it's difficult to develop new facilities.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:21:22 AM EDT
Yes, because I'm an American. Fuck the rest of the world.
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