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Posted: 11/1/2004 8:39:55 AM EST
Just wondering also. I consider myself a traditional conservative and hope that after this election the republican party shifts toward that end. poll coming.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:40:57 AM EST
define what you call 'traditional' and 'new'
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:43:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
define what you call 'traditional' and 'new'



well, in order to save time b/c I have to leave my house in a bit, I'll just use the platforms of two people. Bush=neo and lets say someone like Buchanan=traditional
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:45:00 AM EST
i'm a Bush-Reagan conservative.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:45:26 AM EST
I try to think independent of party lines as I am firmly of the belief that the party system has served it's purpose and is now obsolete.

However, my core beliefs and values do tend to mimic closely the politicians with "R"'s after their names.

I am not a single issue voter, but firearms are OBVIOUSLY important to me....

...but I don't feel that we should be outlawing abortion, even though I find it personally repulsive.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:45:32 AM EST
I reject the label, personally, and I don't consider Buchanan a traditional conservative. I consider myself a Reagan conservative.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:45:53 AM EST
Conservative.

I actually think that Bush is a Liberal (especially a fiscal liberal). The only reason that I am voting for him is because I think that Kerry is a Socialist and a traitor!
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:45:59 AM EST
I'm far more conservative than virtually any elected Republican.

Think: Dick Cheney during his U.S. Rep days.

FWIW.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:47:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I reject the label, personally, and I don't consider Buchanan a traditional conservative. I consider myself a Reagan conservative.



+1
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:47:48 AM EST
Reagan Conservative. I wish that man could've lived forever and remained as permant POTUS.

Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:49:05 AM EST
Part of why you think Bush is a fiscal liberal is because of the spending of congress. Of course alot of that spending was done because we're fighting a global war while digging ourselves out of a recession.

Bush gave a huge tax break and wants to renew it! Tell me again why hes a fiscal liberal?
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:50:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:
I try to think independent of party lines as I am firmly of the belief that the party system has served it's purpose and is now obsolete.

However, my core beliefs and values do tend to mimic closely the politicians with "R"'s after their names.

I am not a single issue voter, but firearms are OBVIOUSLY important to me....

...but I don't feel that we should be outlawing abortion, even though I find it personally repulsive.



well said. I'm the same way although I feel a majority of the time I agree with a conservative platform.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:52:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2004 8:52:56 AM EST by Treadhead]
Long-Time Libertarian that changed to a far-right (I'm damn-near a NAZI) outlook 3 sec's after the second plane hit the towers.

I'll get back to fixing this country when the external threat is dealt with.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:55:32 AM EST
None of us are neo-cons (sorry Imbroglio!)

"Neo-cons" are/were a small group of mostly Jewish, New York intellectuals who changed their political affiliation from communist/leftist to right wing in the 60's. When I say small, I mean maybe 2 dozen at most.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:56:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2004 8:57:46 AM EST by voilsb]
I'm a small-government conservative, similar to what the Republican Libery Caucus wants to establish.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:02:45 AM EST
Neither. I consider myself a Constitutionalist.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:37:45 AM EST
Well I guess I'm a Cheney/Reagan Conservative. I have gotten to the point that I hate ALL (yes I have lumped all of you togather) Democrates, leftist, progressives, socialist, and in short Commies. hooter
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:41:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
I'm far more conservative than virtually any elected Republican.

Think: Dick Cheney during his U.S. Rep days.

FWIW.




My views and values are similar as well.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:42:08 AM EST
I don't know anyone as conservative as I am.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:44:05 AM EST
As generally defined, I'm not a conservative at all...
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:45:27 AM EST
Neo-conservative is bullsh*t term made up by the left and applied to anyone who disagrees with them.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:48:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Neo-conservative is bullsh*t term made up by the left and applied to anyone who disagrees with them.


+1
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:50:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By PennvilleBill:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Neo-conservative is bullsh*t term made up by the left and applied to anyone who disagrees with them.


+1



Actually, it's not. A neo con is a conservative that has given up the theory of less government, and is prone to using government force to achieve his political agenda. In this manner, his ideas about government control and intervention in our lives is just like those on the left. Where the vector points is not material, just the strength...
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 10:00:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2004 10:09:45 AM EST by the]

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By PennvilleBill:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Neo-conservative is bullsh*t term made up by the left and applied to anyone who disagrees with them.


+1



Actually, it's not. A neo con is a conservative that has given up the theory of less government, and is prone to using government force to achieve his political agenda. In this manner, his ideas about government control and intervention in our lives is just like those on the left. Where the vector points is not material, just the strength...



I think you goofed the vector metaphor. The length is the same, the direction is different. If not, can you elaborate?
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 10:08:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2004 10:11:20 AM EST by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By PennvilleBill:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Neo-conservative is bullsh*t term made up by the left and applied to anyone who disagrees with them.


+1



Actually, it's not. A neo con is a conservative that has given up the theory of less government, and is prone to using government force to achieve his political agenda. In this manner, his ideas about government control and intervention in our lives is just like those on the left. Where the vector points is not material, just the strength...



No you are wrong Neo-Con is a meaningless term used to paint anyone who favors a strong pro-active national defense.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 10:17:01 AM EST
As far as I'm concerned, neo-con is nothing more than a different shade of liberal. F-'em all.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 10:22:47 AM EST
I've been a conservative since long before there were labels like "neo-conservative".

There's nothing "neo" about my conservativeness....
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 10:26:12 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 10:28:29 AM EST
Conservative Constructionist here. With some little-l libertarian leanings.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 10:33:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
I'm a paleo-conservative, having come over to the Right Side long before many of y'all were born!

I have a lot of sympathy for those who are called 'Neo-cons', which is liberaleese for 'conservative Jews'!

Eric The(WeAreAllSimply'Conservatives'AsFarAsI'mCo­ncerned)Hun



You had to come to the right side? Some of us were simply born here.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 10:38:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
I'm a paleo-conservative, having come over to the Right Side long before many of y'all were born!




Is paleo-con before or after Piltdown- con????





Link Posted: 11/1/2004 10:49:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2004 10:50:37 AM EST by garandman]
Definition of neo-con -

A big gov't conservative as it relates to foreign policy (i.e. beleives we ARE the worlds policeman, at least as it concerns Israel)

Stated another way, neo-cons beleive Israel is the 51st state, and a US welfare state at that.

We get all Israels baggage, expenses, and socialist clap-trap, in return for some poorly defined, non-descript thing called "intelligence."

(Editors note: said Israeli "intelligence" DID NOT warn us of Beirut 1983, or Cole 1998 or WTC 1993, or WTC 2001, or lack of WMD stockpiles in Iraq 2003, or anything of tangible benefit. Notably, the fine folks in Israeli "intelligence" DID bring us (even giving them the benefit of the doubt) that fuster-cluck called USS Liberty 1967. 34 dead, some 168 wounded, in an hour long case of "mistake identity" on a clear, bright and sunny day, 15 miles from ANY so-called "fog of war)

I'm garandman, and I support the contents of this fine post.

Link Posted: 11/1/2004 11:00:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2004 11:00:52 AM EST by jt325i]
I'm one of those complete right wingers........
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 12:34:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By PennvilleBill:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Neo-conservative is bullsh*t term made up by the left and applied to anyone who disagrees with them.


+1



Actually, it's not. A neo con is a conservative that has given up the theory of less government, and is prone to using government force to achieve his political agenda.



Wrong. A neo-con is someone who used to be a liberal but became a foreign policy conservative over defense issues. It doesn't apply to most people here.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 12:41:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
A neo-con is someone who used to be a liberal but became a foreign policy conservative over defense issues. It doesn't apply to most people here.



Not entirely disagreeing, but give some well-known names to illustrate.

Link Posted: 11/1/2004 1:08:00 PM EST
Reagan, that Hippie Liberal.
I more conservative on every issue except abortion. Not including partial birth, that's just wrong.

Not enough abortion to go around.
Just look around and see all these people that should have been aborted. No sense in having children when no one in society will raise them properly.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 1:11:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By Palo_Duro:
Reagan Conservative. I wish that man could've lived forever and remained as permant POTUS.




Other than voting for the ban of MG's, I'd agree.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 2:58:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
A neo-con is someone who used to be a liberal but became a foreign policy conservative over defense issues. It doesn't apply to most people here.



Not entirely disagreeing, but give some well-known names to illustrate.




Ron Silver.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 3:01:34 PM EST
I'm an apathetic realist. I know how things really are but I just dont care.

<­BR>
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 5:19:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
I'mve always been a paleo-conservative,



+1 had to fix it up a bit

Still, for the life of me, I cannot understand why people on the far-right are so infatuated with that failed socialist experiment called 'Nazism'. Since it takes one to know one, Stalin said it best when describing Hitler, "Our fellow socialist in Europe."


wganz

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