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Posted: 10/16/2004 11:29:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 11:46:06 AM EST by thompsondd]
This is the first of what I hope will be a series of questions. I will try to keep a list of links from post to post as the series progresses.



"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

— Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution



It is my opinion that one of the many reasons that the founding fathers included the Second Amendment as part of the Constitution of the United States was to help the government from becoming to powerful, intrusive, etc and served as a vehicle to allow citizens not only to defend their newly formed country, but also to protect themselves from a such a government as described above.

There is a lot of talk about the government one day may try such things as arms confiscation, subverting itself to a 'world' governing body which infringed on out on sovereignty, etc etc.

Do you consider yourself a patriot that would rise up to protect a principle or principles????

Poll coming.

EDITED: Poll added.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:30:50 AM EST
Yes
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:31:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 11:32:31 AM EST by FOX-]
Just like rules are ment to be broken goverments are ment to be overthrown.

Does that answer your question?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:33:31 AM EST
Till the day I die...........
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:37:52 AM EST
Ok, a little ealboration....


Government is made to govern the country, keep every thing in harmony. Not to controll every aspect of it. America over threw the colonial rule of the british because they wan't to suck all the profit out of America by taxing it. Now if we let the government get too strong and make us too weak by disarming us we are totally screwed. They could turn our country into a dictatorship. They could make us all slaves. And this is why I will do every thing in my power to make sure they don't.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:40:12 AM EST
What FOX said.....
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:43:40 AM EST
All is well as long as the sheeple have gas in their SUVs, cable TV, supermarkets full of food, malls full of useless goods, free school lunches, fast food, don't have to take responsibility for their actions and politicians who promise to take care of their every need.
Sleeeeeeeep, sleeeeeeep, all is well....................
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:45:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 11:47:41 AM EST by NYPatriot]
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Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:46:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By USMC_LB:
What FOX said.....



Which part?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:47:48 AM EST
Normally I would pick a stupid option because POLLS are Fucking Dumb for the most part. But even I could not vote NO on this one.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:47:58 AM EST
BTW - I just caught my own typo in the poll. It should read "FEEL", not 'fell'. I know that you are not trees. Damn, I am dumb sometimes.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:50:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By markm:
Normally I would pick a stupid option because POLLS are Fucking Dumb for the most part. But even I could not vote NO on this one.



With out getting to off topic, whats so dumb about them?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:50:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By USMC_LB:
What FOX said.....



fox is 13
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:50:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 11:51:27 AM EST by sherrick13]
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:51:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By USMC_LB:
What FOX said.....



fox is 13



And what does age matter old man?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:52:40 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:53:13 AM EST
Patriot. I love my country.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:55:11 AM EST
Oh look I just noticed my sig. This was part of a speach given during the Virginian convention right before the revolutionary war.

"I know what path others my take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:01:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By FOX-:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By USMC_LB:
What FOX said.....



fox is 13



And what does age matter old man?



Just making a statement --

But to answer this question -- with age comes wisdom and knowledge.

Pretty easy to say give me death or ..................................
when you do not have wives , children, others depending on you............

It's a fact jack, sometimes life is hard, and complex decisions have to be made, easy when you have a 13 year old mentality..
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:06:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By FOX-:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By USMC_LB:
What FOX said.....



fox is 13



And what does age matter old man?



Just making a statement --

But to answer this question -- with age comes wisdom and knowledge.

Pretty easy to say give me death or ..................................
when you do not have wives , children, others depending on you............

It's a fact jack, sometimes life is hard, and complex decisions have to be made, easy when you have a 13 year old mentality..



You must not see where Patrick is coming from. He would rather die than see his country continue to be in controll.

This is how I see it.
If they take something from us. (our rights)
I will try my best to take something from them. (their lives)

Gondi(sp?) Said and eye for an eye and soon the world is blind.

But I would rather be blind than to be able to see my countrys freedom be taken.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:06:16 PM EST
buying more ammo
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:06:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 12:07:10 PM EST by FOX-]
ANd to all of those that chose no, why wouldn't you?

Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:09:48 PM EST
Patriot to the Constitution........YES

Patriot to the Government.........NO
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:12:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
Patriot to the Constitution........YES

Patriot to the Government.........NO



Amen
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:12:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 12:14:18 PM EST by cyanide]

Originally Posted By FOX-:
ANd to all of those that chose no, why wouldn't you?




This is why -----------------

t is my opinion that one of the many reasons that the founding fathers included the Second Amendment as part of the Constitution of the United States was to help the government from becoming to powerful, intrusive, etc and served as a vehicle to allow citizens not only to defend their newly formed country, but also to protect themselves from a such a government as described above.

Back then the most advanced weapon that a government might have was cannon.

Today the Government

Has much more than cannon

jets
choppers
man to even try and make a list is dumb -- way dumb.

To think any one, or group of people could defeat them in any way is silly.

Yes they fathers had reasons for doing / saying what they said. But they could have no idea of where we have gotten to as far as technology. It would be , no is impossible to even contemplate that any group of citizens could cause more than a disturbance to them if they became corrupted.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:17:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 12:17:49 PM EST by FOX-]

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By FOX-:
ANd to all of those that chose no, why wouldn't you?




This is why -----------------

t is my opinion that one of the many reasons that the founding fathers included the Second Amendment as part of the Constitution of the United States was to help the government from becoming to powerful, intrusive, etc and served as a vehicle to allow citizens not only to defend their newly formed country, but also to protect themselves from a such a government as described above.

Back then the most advanced weapon that a government might have was cannon.

Today the Government

Has much more than cannon

jets
choppers
man to even try and make a list is dumb -- way dumb.

To think any one, or group of people could defeat them in any way is silly.

Yes they fathers had reasons for doing / saying what they said. But they could have no idea of where we have gotten to as far as technology. It would be , no is impossible to even contemplate that any group of citizens could cause more than a disturbance to them if they became corrupted.



What king was it that got his head chopped of? He had his entire royal guard and they still couldn't defend themselves agenst unarmed civilans. Why you ask? Numbers how many military personal do you think there are that would actually defend the government. Now how many Americans would rise up and fight? That is how.

Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:18:35 PM EST
I understand we all have families, that is even more of a reason to fight when the time comes.
Better us fighting tyrants/terrorists vs leaving women & children having to defend for themselves at their mercy.
Like that saying goes, we may get hanged,but we'll surely get hanged if we do it alone.

I've tried to get my chit together,kinda like a spare tire,never know when you'll end up needing it.

TG
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:18:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 12:19:34 PM EST by cyanide]
Fox-

OK, we have exchanged views

nothing else to be said by me.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:25:17 PM EST
Hell yes!
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:28:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By FOX-:
ANd to all of those that chose no, why wouldn't you?




This is why -----------------

t is my opinion that one of the many reasons that the founding fathers included the Second Amendment as part of the Constitution of the United States was to help the government from becoming to powerful, intrusive, etc and served as a vehicle to allow citizens not only to defend their newly formed country, but also to protect themselves from a such a government as described above.

Back then the most advanced weapon that a government might have was cannon.

Today the Government

Has much more than cannon

jets
choppers
man to even try and make a list is dumb -- way dumb.

To think any one, or group of people could defeat them in any way is silly.

Yes they fathers had reasons for doing / saying what they said. But they could have no idea of where we have gotten to as far as technology. It would be , no is impossible to even contemplate that any group of citizens could cause more than a disturbance to them if they became corrupted.



Greater odds have been overcome. You are a pussy (I'll be nice) sheep.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:29:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 12:30:03 PM EST by cyanide]

Originally Posted By Breycor:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By FOX-:
ANd to all of those that chose no, why wouldn't you?




This is why -----------------

t is my opinion that one of the many reasons that the founding fathers included the Second Amendment as part of the Constitution of the United States was to help the government from becoming to powerful, intrusive, etc and served as a vehicle to allow citizens not only to defend their newly formed country, but also to protect themselves from a such a government as described above.

Back then the most advanced weapon that a government might have was cannon.

Today the Government

Has much more than cannon

jets
choppers
man to even try and make a list is dumb -- way dumb.

To think any one, or group of people could defeat them in any way is silly.

Yes they fathers had reasons for doing / saying what they said. But they could have no idea of where we have gotten to as far as technology. It would be , no is impossible to even contemplate that any group of citizens could cause more than a disturbance to them if they became corrupted.



Greater odds have been overcome. You are a pussy (I'll be nice) sheep.



Tell me when and how ???

edit: I thought so
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:32:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By Breycor:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By FOX-:
ANd to all of those that chose no, why wouldn't you?




This is why -----------------

t is my opinion that one of the many reasons that the founding fathers included the Second Amendment as part of the Constitution of the United States was to help the government from becoming to powerful, intrusive, etc and served as a vehicle to allow citizens not only to defend their newly formed country, but also to protect themselves from a such a government as described above.

Back then the most advanced weapon that a government might have was cannon.

Today the Government

Has much more than cannon

jets
choppers
man to even try and make a list is dumb -- way dumb.

To think any one, or group of people could defeat them in any way is silly.

Yes they fathers had reasons for doing / saying what they said. But they could have no idea of where we have gotten to as far as technology. It would be , no is impossible to even contemplate that any group of citizens could cause more than a disturbance to them if they became corrupted.



Greater odds have been overcome. You are a pussy (I'll be nice) sheep.



Tell me when and how ???

edit: I thought so



Ok, a bunch of farmers beat the biggest supper power in the world at the time. I think you know what I am talking about.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:34:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By Breycor:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By FOX-:
ANd to all of those that chose no, why wouldn't you?




This is why -----------------

t is my opinion that one of the many reasons that the founding fathers included the Second Amendment as part of the Constitution of the United States was to help the government from becoming to powerful, intrusive, etc and served as a vehicle to allow citizens not only to defend their newly formed country, but also to protect themselves from a such a government as described above.

Back then the most advanced weapon that a government might have was cannon.

Today the Government

Has much more than cannon

jets
choppers
man to even try and make a list is dumb -- way dumb.

To think any one, or group of people could defeat them in any way is silly.

Yes they fathers had reasons for doing / saying what they said. But they could have no idea of where we have gotten to as far as technology. It would be , no is impossible to even contemplate that any group of citizens could cause more than a disturbance to them if they became corrupted.



Greater odds have been overcome. You are a pussy (I'll be nice) sheep.



Tell me when and how ???

edit: I thought so



Damn, give me more than 12 seconds to respond!

Shall I start with David and Goliath?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:34:42 PM EST
"Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in that field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me give me liberty or give me death!"

Patrick Henry
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:36:16 PM EST
Oh yes

I saw on this board the open contempt and disregard for the AWB rules.

Fearless disregard of a petty law that no one enforced ---------------- not

fact is the mouth runs a lot at times like this ------- the blood doesn't.


Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:36:27 PM EST
I voted yes ,but the problem is, everyone at DU also consider themselves patriots in the
strictness sense of the word.

The word "patriot" like many others the left has hijacked, has had it's meaning greatly
diminished by improper and over use.

GM

Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:40:42 PM EST
The term patriot was a term used to discribe the people who opposed the British rule. In this case we would be considered patriots because we oppose the rule.

The term loyalist was used to dicribe people who lsupported the British rule. In this case the term loyalist would be used to dicribe those that would fight for the government.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:44:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 12:48:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Most definitely I am a patriot. But I am not the kind of patriot that would enter battle as cannon fodder, nor am I the kind of patriot that believes that the people need to be fed, clothed, cared for, and protected by any government.

I'm the sort who chooses his battles and situations to give myself a real fighting chance, and I'm the sort who believes that we have lost too many freedoms already and we need to get them back. Certainly we have far too many laws in force already.

Start with a million acres of open land. Room to run, room to really LIVE. Freedom. Put up a fence here and a fence there, and keep putting them up as you find little (or big) flaws in the property that you want to keep the people and the livestock out of, and before long you can scarcely move without getting tangled up in barbed wire. The same thing applies to our freedoms and the many laws that our (usually) well-intentioned politicians have enacted.

The Democrats don't think like that. They want us to be under MORE controls, not LESS. And that's the way of socialism and communism.


CJ



CM, every time I read one of your posts, the "voice" in my head sounds like your avatar (JEJ).
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 1:14:50 PM EST
pa-tri-ot n. A person who loves and defends his country.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 1:16:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 1:17:00 PM EST by schiffj1]
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Yes I do.

But according to the FBI "patriots" are domestic terrorists.

Or so they told us at a Law Enforcement terrorist training class I went to that was put on by the FBI for OK law enforcement.


So I guess I am not only an OK LEO but also a domestic terrorist.hould
patriot

\Pa"tri*ot\, n. [F. patriote; cf. Sp. patriota, It. patriotto; all fr. Gr. ? a fellow-countryman, fr. ? established by forefathers, fr. ? father. See Father.] One who loves his country, and zealously supports its authority and interests. --Bp. Hall.

Such tears as patriots shaed for dying laws. --Pope.


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 1:18:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By schiffj1:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Yes I do.

But according to the FBI "patriots" are domestic terrorists.

Or so they told us at a Law Enforcement terrorist training class I went to that was put on by the FBI for OK law enforcement.


So I guess I am not only an OK LEO but also a domestic terrorist.


FBI should read the Dictionary!

patriot

\Pa"tri*ot\, n. [F. patriote; cf. Sp. patriota, It. patriotto; all fr. Gr. ? a fellow-countryman, fr. ? established by forefathers, fr. ? father. See Father.] One who loves his country, and zealously supports its authority and interests. --Bp. Hall.

Such tears as patriots shaed for dying laws. --Pope.


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.




See it has already begun

The end is near..........................
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 1:19:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By FOX-:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By USMC_LB:
What FOX said.....



fox is 13



And what does age matter old man?



Just making a statement --

But to answer this question -- with age comes wisdom and knowledge.




Not always, just read some of your posts.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 1:23:57 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 1:26:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By FOX-:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By USMC_LB:
What FOX said.....



fox is 13



And what does age matter old man?



Just making a statement --

But to answer this question -- with age comes wisdom and knowledge.




Not always, just read some of your posts.



Attack my concepts not me ......................................................................................

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waiting.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 1:31:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By FOX-:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By USMC_LB:
What FOX said.....



fox is 13



And what does age matter old man?



Just making a statement --

But to answer this question -- with age comes wisdom and knowledge.




Not always, just read some of your posts.



Attack my concepts not me ......................................................................................

waiting.




I see loss of a sense of humor comes with your old age and senility as well.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 2:37:04 PM EST
When we discuss the abyss this country seems to be falling into ---------- yes.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 4:04:01 PM EST
BTT
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 6:59:21 PM EST
I am firm believer in the U.S. Constitution. I will do what it takes to defend it if and when the need arises. I think this answers your question.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 8:24:18 PM EST


www.texasminutemen.org/forum/showthread.php?t=26660
It is my opinion that one of the many reasons that the founding fathers included the Second Amendment as part of the Constitution of the United States was to help the government from becoming to powerful, intrusive, etc and served as a vehicle to allow citizens not only to defend their newly formed country, but also to protect themselves from a such a government as described above.

There is a lot of talk about the government one day may try such things as arms confiscation, subverting itself to a 'world' governing body which infringed on out on sovereignty, etc etc.

Do you consider yourself a patriot that would rise up to protect a principle or principles????


Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:30:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 4:33:01 PM EST by FOX-]
Copied this right out of my SS book when it was dissusing the building of America after the revolutionary war.


Many Americans felt that the British government had had too much power over them. As a result, Americans wanted to limit the power of the national government.


Can you see where I'm going with that?
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