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Posted: 10/2/2005 2:53:20 PM EDT
I got into a lively debate with two social science professors about entertainment and video games. Both professors claim that video games like battlefield2 and rainbowsix help indoctrinate children into killing and weapons use. They also claim that movies about war and killing desensitize children to violence and lower there resistanse to killing. The socology professor claims that violent entertainment helps nations develop a new generation of soldiers. They point to the use of videogames in helping the army indoctrinate and train soldiers. They also point to a Dave Grossman study about violent images. I dont know what to think is B.F skinner right about human conditioning. Do violent video games train children to kill?
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 2:53:52 PM EDT
no
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 2:55:35 PM EDT
Yep, just like when they watch dad beat up on mom.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 2:56:03 PM EDT
of course not, that's why they are labled "M for Mature", so kids can't play them.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 2:56:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
no

What do you say about the Army using video games to train soldiers? Could this same stimuli not be used to train children for war. Children soak up information faster than adults.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 2:57:49 PM EDT
Why are kids more violent today even though they arguably have less access to firearms?
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 2:58:06 PM EDT
I hope so! I wouldn't want America's next generation to turn into sissified Europeans hiding in their homes, trembling.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 2:58:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 2:59:52 PM EDT by gordon_freeman]
no

Ever play an online video game? I was playing Halo 2 and some 10 year olds were talking shit. Was playing Battlefield 2, and some 9 year old with displaced father syndrome kept trying to get me to ride in his helicopter.

There are millions of little kids playing violent video games they aren't supposed to because their slack off parents aren't around. There are not millions of insane murderers running around. Therefore, no.

Your professor is operating off of old information and assumptions... Killing someone in a video game has no consequences, whereas killing someone in real life is probably just a tad more intense... hmm?
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:01:18 PM EDT
Hell no!

They train us keyboard commandos how to kill, but they certianly don't inspire acts of murder or anything of the sort. There have been incidents in the past where the media have jumped on the "computer games are responsible for this!" bandwagon (Columbine and several incidents here in the UK), however it is my opinion that if the perpetrators were influenced and "made" to kill by the video games, then said individuals were certianly unhinged before coming into contact with video games, and would -most likely- perpetrate crimes in a similar fasion without the influence of the games.

Here in the UK where the culture of banning things is dominant, efforts have been made to restrict the sale of computer games. Censorship in action!

At the end of the day, it's all about individual responsibility. We can't blame an inanimate computer game for a murder. Same goes for the gun-control debate. Many liberals don't feel "comfortable" blaming humans (so-called "humans" in some cases) for their actions and would rather the buck stop at the immaterial objects.

Those people are fools.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:03:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 3:05:04 PM EDT by bloodmoon]

Originally Posted By gordon_freeman:
no

Ever play an online video game? I was playing Halo 2 and some 10 year olds were talking shit. Was playing Battlefield 2, and some 9 year old with displaced father syndrome kept trying to get me to ride in his helicopter.

There are millions of little kids playing violent video games they aren't supposed to because their slack off parents aren't around. There are not millions of insane murderers running around. Therefore, no.

They wouldnt have to be insane killers. I dont buy it either. However when I brought up that fact the psychology professor said insanity and violent behavior are two different things. He said to look at veterans of the vietnam war they recieved some of the first refined desensitization training and there is little evidence of insanity in them.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:04:31 PM EDT
Yeah, I do.

However, its the parent's responsibility to ensure that the kid knows good morals/judgements and doesn't take them from the game.

Why do you think they have ratings on games?
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:05:40 PM EDT
Its about parenting. If you a good parent then you 1st grader wont be watching rated R movies, playing GTA3 or looking at porn on the web. When young children are exposed to such things at ages where they are not ready to be seeing them, its a sign of bad parents. When kids have bad parents they almost always do bad things and end up in trouble. Its that simple
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:06:10 PM EDT
Uh, no.

Look at Japan.

Kids TV there is VERY violent. So are the video games. Most of the anime shown on Cartoon Network has to be edited, sometimes severly, the only unedited stuff gets put on Adult Swim at nights. Most of the video games also come in two versions, and you need to modify a console sold in the US with a 'J-Chip' to play the unedited games.

However, juvenile violence there is very low.

Now to say that American kids are brought up with LESS ability to tell that TV/movies/video games are NOT REAL thanks to their parents, you can debate that but its not the products fault.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:07:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 3:18:37 PM EDT by Oslow]
If the kid already has a short circuit I suppose they could be influenced by a video game or a movie.

So we should just do away with video games and movies.


I vote PANSIES

Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:08:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Uh, no.

Look at Japan.

Kids TV there is VERY violent. So are the video games. Most of the anime shown on Cartoon Network has to be edited, sometimes severly, the only unedited stuff gets put on Adult Swim at nights. Most of the video games also come in two versions, and you need to modify a console sold in the US with a 'J-Chip' to play the unedited games.

However, juvenile violence there is very low.

Now to say that American kids are brought up with LESS ability to tell that TV/movies/video games are NOT REAL thanks to their parents, you can debate that but its not the products fault.

Good point.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:09:14 PM EDT
I think A LOT of it has to do with the declining gun ownership of younger americans. I am shocked at the number of young men my age who have never shot a firearm. Their only exposure to them is movies and video games. Hence, they have never really seen the permanent consequences of actually shooting something (i.e. hunting).
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:09:47 PM EDT
Yes.

Children learn by example, particularly those without a father figure.

Anyone who doesn't believe that kids do as they see needs to compare the profanity spewed from the little darlings today with the (garbage) movies and trash on TV. 30 years ago you didn't have that, because a) the kids would have got their asses kicked and b) there were no role models acting in that manner.

Do vid games turn all kids into killer zombies? No, but there is an unmistakable degradation in their behavior. Look at the kids in grade school committing rapes and assaults. Look at kids aping movie stars then acting out their weirdness by shooting up the school. Didn't used to be that way, we didn't need metal detectors or grief counselors. They sure as hell learned it somewhere, and it is probably a mix of all the stuff they are exposed to (including games cheapening life and respect for others)

Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:10:04 PM EDT
add a POLL
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:12:37 PM EDT
Nurture, not nature.

Parenting is the most important thing you can do.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:15:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Uh, no.

Look at Japan.

Kids TV there is VERY violent. So are the video games. Most of the anime shown on Cartoon Network has to be edited, sometimes severly, the only unedited stuff gets put on Adult Swim at nights. Most of the video games also come in two versions, and you need to modify a console sold in the US with a 'J-Chip' to play the unedited games.

However, juvenile violence there is very low.

Now to say that American kids are brought up with LESS ability to tell that TV/movies/video games are NOT REAL thanks to their parents, you can debate that but its not the products fault.



Japan is perhaps the most homogenous society on the planet. They may not kill each other (since there are little of the "us vs. them" differentiators to act on), but they do come up with some uniquely violent / demeaning acts (bukkake and the like) What they are raised on is released through different channels.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:17:30 PM EDT
It's more complex than that.

The military is successful using "trainers" because they also reinforce that with the culture.

As someone pointed out Japan has more violence on TV and in their video games, however, they have a very tight cultural bond that helps counteract the "training."

If kids are allowed to play these video games and are not raised in such a manner that gives them a bond with the predominate culture then they are probably more prone to violence.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:20:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:
It's more complex than that.

The military is successful using "trainers" because they also reinforce that with the culture.

As someone pointed out Japan has more violence on TV and in their video games, however, they have a very tight cultural bond that helps counteract the "training."

If kids are allowed to play these video games and are not raised in such a manner that gives them a bond with the predominate culture then they are probably more prone to violence.

So are you saying that military culture does not enable violence and killing. Or are you saying that miltary culture holds a bond against outbursts of violence.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:20:42 PM EDT
No, I'm not a killer and I have played those games for years. None of my friends are killers, and they have played those games for years. Nobody I know is a killer and many of them have played "violent" games.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:23:54 PM EDT
Yes, I've killed my entire family right now and I'm now soaking in thier blood and eating out of one of thier skullcaps.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:24:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kooter:
No, I'm not a killer and I have played those games for years. None of my friends are killers, and they have played those games for years. Nobody I know is a killer and many of them have played "violent" games.

Do you believe that video games and movies would make it easier for you kill an enemy or cause harm to an enemy. Do you think that the video games have taught you anything? Some videogames are very similar to what the military uses to train infantry.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:26:00 PM EDT
The problem with this whole fucking thing is that these people live in fucking fantasy land.


Violence can be for good, and violence can be for bad. What we need to worry about is teaching our children right from wrong, not turning them into faggots. Sometimes the right thing to do is to kill the bad guy. It sounds bad but its reality.


These are the same people that think guns are inherintly evil. We don't need to teach our children NEVER to fight or shoot. We need to teach them WHEN to fight or shoot.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:28:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:
The problem with this whole fucking thing is that these people live in fucking fantasy land.


Violence can be for good, and violence can be for bad. What we need to worry about is teaching our children right from wrong, not turning them into faggots. Sometimes the right thing to do is to kill the bad guy. It sounds bad but its reality.


These are the same people that think guns are inherintly evil. We don't need to teach our children NEVER to fight or shoot. We need to teach them WHEN to fight or shoot.

Do you believe that children should be trained to kill and use advanced combat tactics if used in the right situation against the right target?
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:28:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Merrell:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Uh, no.

Look at Japan.

Kids TV there is VERY violent. So are the video games. Most of the anime shown on Cartoon Network has to be edited, sometimes severly, the only unedited stuff gets put on Adult Swim at nights. Most of the video games also come in two versions, and you need to modify a console sold in the US with a 'J-Chip' to play the unedited games.

However, juvenile violence there is very low.

Now to say that American kids are brought up with LESS ability to tell that TV/movies/video games are NOT REAL thanks to their parents, you can debate that but its not the products fault.



Japan is perhaps the most homogenous society on the planet. They may not kill each other (since there are little of the "us vs. them" differentiators to act on), but they do come up with some uniquely violent / demeaning acts (bukkake and the like) What they are raised on is released through different channels.



But again, it still points that the product is not the cause.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:29:44 PM EDT
It sure seems a lot more crime, violence, smut, and general shitty attitude, than there was when Leave it to Beaver, and The Andy Grifith show was the only thing on TV.

There isn`t any shame anymore. The sexy and or violent are what is cool and looked up to.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:30:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By dport:
It's more complex than that.

The military is successful using "trainers" because they also reinforce that with the culture.

As someone pointed out Japan has more violence on TV and in their video games, however, they have a very tight cultural bond that helps counteract the "training."

If kids are allowed to play these video games and are not raised in such a manner that gives them a bond with the predominate culture then they are probably more prone to violence.

So are you saying that military culture does not enable violence and killing. Or are you saying that miltary culture holds a bond against outbursts of violence.


I'm saying it helps enable it.

I remember a cadence:
"Throw the candy to the children,
watch them all gather 'round,
put a belt in my M-60,
mow those little bastards down."

Not the most PC cadence, but what is a cadence or a chant? It's something that is mindless and repetitive. It is meant to wear down your mind and get you to accept the message.

Two books to read, Farenhiet 451 and On Killing.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:34:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By dport:
It's more complex than that.

The military is successful using "trainers" because they also reinforce that with the culture.

As someone pointed out Japan has more violence on TV and in their video games, however, they have a very tight cultural bond that helps counteract the "training."

If kids are allowed to play these video games and are not raised in such a manner that gives them a bond with the predominate culture then they are probably more prone to violence.

So are you saying that military culture does not enable violence and killing. Or are you saying that miltary culture holds a bond against outbursts of violence.


I'm saying it helps enable it.

I remember a cadence:
"Throw the candy to the children,
watch them all gather 'round,
put a belt in my M-60,
mow those little bastards down."

Not the most PC cadence, but what is a cadence or a chant? It's something that is mindless and repetitive. It is meant to wear down your mind and get you to accept the message.

Two books to read, Farenhiet 451 and On Killing.

read them both have them both though I disagree with Grossman
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:36:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:
I hope so! I wouldn't want America's next generation to turn into sissified Europeans hiding in their homes, trembling.






Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:37:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By Merrell:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Uh, no.

Look at Japan.

Kids TV there is VERY violent. So are the video games. Most of the anime shown on Cartoon Network has to be edited, sometimes severly, the only unedited stuff gets put on Adult Swim at nights. Most of the video games also come in two versions, and you need to modify a console sold in the US with a 'J-Chip' to play the unedited games.

However, juvenile violence there is very low.

Now to say that American kids are brought up with LESS ability to tell that TV/movies/video games are NOT REAL thanks to their parents, you can debate that but its not the products fault.



Japan is perhaps the most homogenous society on the planet. They may not kill each other (since there are little of the "us vs. them" differentiators to act on), but they do come up with some uniquely violent / demeaning acts (bukkake and the like) What they are raised on is released through different channels.



But again, it still points that the product is not the cause.



I'll agree that lack of proper parenting is by far the more destructive, but an engaging game for a developing mind, where how many cops or cripples you mow down in a stolen car, or ho's you bang, or whatever the current popular games award the most points for, is more likely to turn a kid into a sociopath than playing sandlot baseball.

I don't believe all games turn all kids into monsters, just that they can make a profound impression on those with other issues. So yes, I do believe the products shoulder some of the responsibility (because they actively reward antisocial behavior)
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:39:38 PM EDT
When I was a kid, I watched westerns and monster movies on TV that were full of violence (though not blood and gore) and played war, cowboys and indians and other violent games with toy guns constantly. I can count the number of fights I've been in (outside the dojang) on just over one hand and I've yet to go on a shooting spree.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:40:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By dport:
It's more complex than that.

The military is successful using "trainers" because they also reinforce that with the culture.

As someone pointed out Japan has more violence on TV and in their video games, however, they have a very tight cultural bond that helps counteract the "training."

If kids are allowed to play these video games and are not raised in such a manner that gives them a bond with the predominate culture then they are probably more prone to violence.

So are you saying that military culture does not enable violence and killing. Or are you saying that miltary culture holds a bond against outbursts of violence.


I'm saying it helps enable it.

I remember a cadence:
"Throw the candy to the children,
watch them all gather 'round,
put a belt in my M-60,
mow those little bastards down."

Not the most PC cadence, but what is a cadence or a chant? It's something that is mindless and repetitive. It is meant to wear down your mind and get you to accept the message.

Two books to read, Farenhiet 451 and On Killing.

read them both have them both though I disagree with Grossman


Remember the train scene in 451? Remember the people basically just reciting the commercial. Remember the main character's awakening there?
If I said "Where's the beef?" You would know immediately what burger chain I'm talking about. Part of advertising is repitition.

What do you disagree with Grossman about exactly?
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:42:05 PM EDT













These kids are exposed to 10% of the violence we were exposed to, yet 500% more violent. We knew the difference between fiction and reality.

Lets examined what has changed in our society since the time before violence and murders were common until the beginning of the decline of our society.......







Libtards happened. And our country has gone down the shitter. The left is responsibile for welfare, immorality, anti God, anti country, homosexuality, violence and general decline in civilization.

If it feels good do it should not be a motto, it should be a line from a movie. Let it all hang out should mean laundry, not things that are best left unsaid. One nation under God should be a standard, not something demonic.


Yeah, lets play more girlie movies for the kids, then they can all be the weenies who swallow the liberal koolaid. Great idea.

Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:43:42 PM EDT
Hell no.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:43:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 3:47:32 PM EDT by bloodmoon]

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
When I was a kid, I watched westerns and monster movies on TV that were full of violence (though not blood and gore) and played war, cowboys and indians and other violent games with toy guns constantly. I can count the number of fights I've been in (outside the dojang) on just over one hand and I've yet to go on a shooting spree.

It doesnt mean you will go crazy, it just means you are more prone to violence and violent thoughts. Do you think your personaliy would be different if you had no need to learn violence. For instance martial arts would have little appeal to you if you had no need for knowledge of conflict.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:46:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By dport:
It's more complex than that.

The military is successful using "trainers" because they also reinforce that with the culture.

As someone pointed out Japan has more violence on TV and in their video games, however, they have a very tight cultural bond that helps counteract the "training."

If kids are allowed to play these video games and are not raised in such a manner that gives them a bond with the predominate culture then they are probably more prone to violence.

So are you saying that military culture does not enable violence and killing. Or are you saying that miltary culture holds a bond against outbursts of violence.


I'm saying it helps enable it.

I remember a cadence:
"Throw the candy to the children,
watch them all gather 'round,
put a belt in my M-60,
mow those little bastards down."

Not the most PC cadence, but what is a cadence or a chant? It's something that is mindless and repetitive. It is meant to wear down your mind and get you to accept the message.

Two books to read, Farenhiet 451 and On Killing.

read them both have them both though I disagree with Grossman


Remember the train scene in 451? Remember the people basically just reciting the commercial. Remember the main character's awakening there?
If I said "Where's the beef?" You would know immediately what burger chain I'm talking about. Part of advertising is repitition.

What do you disagree with Grossman about exactly?

I disagree with him about children and learned violence. This is about the last chapter in the book. I believe that human violence has been with us long before violent entertainment.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:46:11 PM EDT
I see Grossman has already been mentioned. Everyone should tread the book "On Killing"
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:49:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:
I disagree with him about children and learned violence. This is about the last chapter in the book. I believe that human violence has been with us long before violent entertainment.


I'm with you there.

I think it's a combination of conditioning children to violence AND not being raised properly. Thus, they are not "bonded" to society(I said culture earlier, but meant society). If they aren't bonded with society they are then more likely to act out and in a way that exhibits their learned behavior. Again, no guarantee, but I think it makes it more likely.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 4:22:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Merrell:
demeaning acts (bukkake and the like) What they are raised on is released through different channels.



That sutff is mostly the result of their weird porno laws... censoring of the naughty bits has led them to create all sorts of crazy crap to make up for it.


Originally posted by bloodmoon:
Do you believe that children should be trained to kill and use advanced combat tactics if used in the right situation against the right target?



Ever read Ender's Game?
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 4:24:18 PM EDT
There is no medical or psychological link to playing video games and violence.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 4:53:37 PM EDT
So what video games did Hitler play when he was a child?
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 5:14:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 5:20:09 PM EDT by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:
I got into a lively debate with two social science professors about entertainment and video games. Both professors claim that video games like battlefield2 and rainbowsix help indoctrinate children into killing and weapons use. They also claim that movies about war and killing desensitize children to violence and lower there resistanse to killing. The socology professor claims that violent entertainment helps nations develop a new generation of soldiers. They point to the use of videogames in helping the army indoctrinate and train soldiers. They also point to a Dave Grossman study about violent images. I dont know what to think is B.F skinner right about human conditioning. Do violent video games train children to kill?



As opposed to kids playing 'Cops & Robbers' or 'Army'?

When I was a kid, we had toy (cap) guns that looked like real guns... Yeah, the red-muzzles were there, but the black revolver (from before the red-tip law) which popped the cylinder out (Ala real-gun) so you could change the bang-caps was a pretty standard 'toy'...

I remember playing 'Army' with my friends, using tennis balls for 'Grenades' and the arguments over who said 'bang' last, and was thus 'dead' (Something that comes to mind when doing MILES training in the real Army now)...

No one that I knew went psycho...

When I was in jr high, 'Wolfenstein 3D' came out. In High School we had 'Doom', 'Doom II', and 'Duke Nukem 3D'... There was also Mortal Kombat, Streetfighter, and such... In the arcade, we had a never ending series of 'gun games', ala 'Operation Wolf' and such....

But yet, after growing up on a steady diet of this stuff... I (and the others who I knew) did not turn into sociopaths... Well, I did join the Army, but if playing military video games made me (or anyone else) more apt to do THAT, well then well-done game people... I don't care if the lefty-types don't approve, IMHO that's a GOOD THING... And judging by the quoted shrinker's attitude towards veterans (desensitization training?), I'd be right on with that statement...

Something to think about....

(P.S. I did not join the service because of my history with games... But I'm sure that's the next complaint from leftie-land: 'Military videogames dupe kids into joining the EvilBushWarMachine.... Oh, and the Army seems to see some merit into the game thing, which caused them to actually make one & give it away...)
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 5:21:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
When I was a kid, I watched westerns and monster movies on TV that were full of violence (though not blood and gore) and played war, cowboys and indians and other violent games with toy guns constantly. I can count the number of fights I've been in (outside the dojang) on just over one hand and I've yet to go on a shooting spree.



It doesnt mean you will go crazy, it just means you are more prone to violence and violent thoughts.



No, in fact, it does not. Your assertions are incorrect.



Do you think your personaliy would be different if you had no need to learn violence. For instance martial arts would have little appeal to you if you had no need for knowledge of conflict.



That's a crock of shit that only demonstrates your ignorance. You would do better to remain silent and stop revealing that ignorance for all the world to see.


Link Posted: 10/2/2005 5:30:40 PM EDT
Violent movies do not really INFLUENCE kids into doing bad things. but they DO give them ideas... so if a kid is rash enough to act on his anger or whatnot, and uses an idea he got from a movie, adults mistakenly believe he was deceived into acting that way by television. he was FORCED into it, which simply isn't true. I think teachers are making grave mistakes by thinking that violent television is persuading kids to do violent things. there's a difference.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 5:37:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 5:41:14 PM EDT
Read Lt.Col Grossmans book On Killing. Grossman studies seven or eight different school shootings involving children, and in several of them, the kids even stated that it felt like they were in their favorite game. One played a game where extra points were given for headshots, and he routinely did very well at that game. Ironically, of the eight(I think) people he murdered, seven were headshots.

I'm certainly not saying that violent games are the Great Satan and all that, I enjoy them myself, but children need to be watched, and maybe there's a certain age over which limited use is OK, but I have no doubt that the combination of a picked-on or abused kid, plus much time in front of violent and murderous TV shows, movies, and games, makes for a bad combination. It essentially provides a child with motive, the idea, and training to commit violent crimes.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 5:42:03 PM EDT
First of all, they are SOCIOLOGY profs, NOT psycologists. Sociologists are usually leftist nutcases to begin with.

The socology professor claims that violent entertainment helps nations develop a new generation of soldiers.

I wish it was that easy. It'll take a lot to counter the left's doctrination and pussification of America's boys.

I hope so! I wouldn't want America's next generation to turn into sissified Europeans hiding in their homes, trembling.

+1000

When I was a child people were afraid that kids watching the Three Stooges would start poking each others eyes out or hitting each other ove the head with 2x4's and hammers. Even as kids we knew that was make-believe for the purpose of comedy. We knew that in reality a person would be severely injured. We knew if we hurt another kid like that, he'd go to the hospital or possibly die. And we wouldn't be allowed to play together anymore.

We learned tactics, how to lay an ambush, the advantage to controlling the high ground, camoflage, and being sneaky. We learned it was a VIRTUE to utterly defeat an evil enemy that was trying to kill you.

We learned to set up rules in our games, had a since of "fair play".

We hunted, we fished with our fathers. We cleaned and ate our game. We did not kill animals needlessly.

BTW, kids who torture and kill animals, possibly wanting to tie up and torture other children, and play with fire (up to and including burning houses down) are psychopaths and need to be watched very carefully. We all knew a kid like that, there was always one around. They usually grew up to be either criminals or politicians. These types of kids didn't need a game or movie to set them off. If we knew a kid like that, we stayed away from him. We knew something was not right there. We KNEW that kid was inherently EVIL even if we couldn't put a word to it.

As far as movies and such... if given a choice, most kids will gravitate to the cartoon network or Nick. Nick at Night used to run Mayberry aka Andy Griffith Show, and other similar wholesome shows. And kids still laugh at the same things we did.

I wish there were channels that still had Three Stooges, Little Rascals (aka Our Gang Comedies), Bowery Boys, Laurel & Hardy, and similar. But for our kids to watch Combat!, see Sarge, Cage, and the rest every week, Roy Rogers, Sky King, and the other heros we watched... yes, gunfights and all, it would be good for our kids.

Link Posted: 10/2/2005 5:47:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:
I do in fact believe that violent movies and video games viewed at an early age, desensitize children to violence and can in fact promote violent behavior. Kids tend to act out what they see. Recall the little boy who killed a playmate by acting out WWF wrestling. Kids will always act out what they see to a greater or lesser degree.



yup, movies & video games & TV are the new role models (thankfully MOST kids know the difference, but lacking fathers in many households there is no alpha male to keep them in line)

what was the movie a few years ago where they burned a subway attendent in their booth, and it happened in real life a few weeks later?

Life imitates art, and training kidlets to mindlessly blast away for hours on end (with Pavlovian lights and bells) is different then playing cowboys & indians or army in the backyard - for one thing, it makes kids fat. Then they get pissed off for being tubs o'lard and the next thing ya know they are going postal in the cafeteria.

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