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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:22:58 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:24:43 PM EDT
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From one story I heard about an event in Iraq Im going to say yes they can get so angry they do regrettable things. eta I read mortality as morality.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:26:06 PM EDT
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BERSERKERGANG
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:32:40 PM EDT
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they get so tired that they don't fear death anymore
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:33:39 PM EDT
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physically or mentally tired?
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:34:41 PM EDT
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Ex-wives.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:37:10 PM EDT
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Boom! Headshot.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:40:02 PM EDT
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Drugs'er bad um'k
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:43:02 PM EDT
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I'm talking real War not divorce court.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:43:32 PM EDT
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A 19 year old man away from home for the first time, is the most ruthless beast you will ever meet. Especially when scared or pissed off.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:45:06 PM EDT
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First time some Taliban shithead shot at me I was fucking pissed.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:45:41 PM EDT
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I arrived in the war zone at the ripe age of 19. I wasn't angry, but felt (stupidly) that I was totally bulletproof. I rarely thought about my mortality, no time to worry about that.  You have to be a fatalist and believe that what will be, will be.

Emotions like anger & fear are usually not good in combat.  Better to remain calm and follow your training.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:46:52 PM EDT
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I'm talking real War not divorce court.
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I'm talking real War not divorce court.

You've never gone through a divorce have you?

You can get so angry in the moment you don't care what happens. In time you calm down. Battle or divorce.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:47:17 PM EDT
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I go to work that mad sometimes.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:47:52 PM EDT
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My father was in WW2 in the Winter War and Continuation War against Russia.  

When he was old I know more than once as he sat enjoying a meal with the family, he said he would have never believed you if you told him when he was 18 that he would ever live to be this old.   He said they all felt every day could be their last and approached the day that way.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:49:36 PM EDT
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Have you seen Leroy Jenkins?
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:52:51 PM EDT
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Fan of the Jem Hadar?
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:53:17 PM EDT
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Appreciate the comments, but, let me clarify.

Men so angry before War/Battle they completely disregard their own mortality. Their hatred of the enemy so profound they wish to defeat their foe at all costs.

I'm talking reality here not Hollywood fiction.

Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:53:18 PM EDT
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I'm talking real War not divorce court.
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I'm talking real War not divorce court.



In my OEF deployment, 3 guys in my squadron had their wives leave them...they weren't exactly pleased with the world.

ETA: You're also changing the conditions of the question as you go. Of course there are men, who for reasons of anger, have chosen to disregard their own safety. Doesn't really matter what the hell has motivated them to do so.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:54:08 PM EDT
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There once was a time when men were so infused that they -- willingly -- would bear witness to all that would be.










 
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:55:30 PM EDT
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Capt. Ronald Speirs: We're all scared. You hid in that ditch because you think there's still hope. But Blithe, the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier's supposed to function. Without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends on it.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:57:06 PM EDT
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vet, but not a combat vet





From talking to World War II relatives, as well as modern-day combat guys, when they consider themselves  "dead", and they stop trying to worry about their own life, they become much more effective as soldiers.












My guess is it something you have to experience to truly understand.


 
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:58:59 PM EDT
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"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 6:58:59 PM EDT
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It can happen:















"Audie Murphy earned the Distinguished Service Cross, America's second
highest military award of valor, on August 15, 1944, shortly after his
unit 1st Battalion, 15th Infantry Regiment and elements of the 3rd
Infantry Division made an amphibious landing as part of the first
assault wave in Southern France near Ramatuelle, France.







It
was also during this event that Staff Sergeant Murphy, who was an
acting platoon sergeant, lost his best friend Lattie Tipton.









The action began in the morning as Murphy's platoon, which was the
advance element of the attack, attempted to capture "Pill Box Hill".
Ordering his platoon to stay in their covered positions, Staff Sergeant
Murphy moved forward to scout out any Germans obstructing his platoon's
path up a hill. Murphy's men and other nearby platoons provided Murphy
cover.









With his M-1 Carbine, Staff Sergeant Murphy moved up a hill using a draw
which paralled the enemy's positions. Murphy killed two Germans who
were moving down the draw towards him. After engaging enemy foxhole
positions, he ran out of ammunition and reversed his direction back down
the draw looking for another weapon.








Staff Sergeant Murphy found and took a light machine gun from a crew unwilling to advance forward. He left his carbine behind.








Murphy then moved back up the draw and positioned the machine gun above
the German foxholes. He engaged and destroyed these positions.









As Murphy continued up the hill, a machine gun attacked. Murphy then
returned fire but exhausted his ammunition. He returned back down the
draw to retrieve his carbine. When he did, Lattie Tipton convinced
Murphy to allow him to go back up the hill to help.









As the two worked their way back up the draw, they drew more enemy fire
and grenades. Tipton was shot in the upper part of his ear but managed
to shoot and kill his attackers. Murphy and Tipton then located,
charged, and destroyed an emplaced machine gun on the top of the hill.








A second machine gun opened fire on Murphy and Tipton who managed to force it to surrender with rifle fire and thrown grenades.








Despite a panicked attempt by Murphy to stop his friend, Tipton was shot
and killed as he exposed himself to a phony German flag of surrender.








In
a fit of rage
, Murphy  destroyed the machine gun crew with more
grenades. He then rushed the position. Murphy took its undamaged machine
gun and began firing it from his hip. As he did, Murphy charged two
remaining enemy machine gun positions that were trying to kill him.
Murphy destroyed both of them which cleared the hill of all resistance.








Murphy returned back to the body of his friend and was overwhelmed with grief (Simpson, page 121-122). "




 
 
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physically or mentally tired?
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physically or mentally tired?



Either one will make you give zero fucks pretty fast.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 7:03:12 PM EDT
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they wont give up on their bros, before they give up on themselves.

they are very few the mil that go fullretard w/o thinking about bros

Link Posted: 10/23/2016 7:06:08 PM EDT
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I'm not talking about being an effective soldier, because you've accepted your death.

I'm talking about anger and rage pre-conflict so intense that as long as you kill the enemy you go to your death with peace.

Think the hopeless situation, "the horde" is coming to destroy/kill/rape everything you hold dear, alas there is no hope. Only the hope of a good death and that you take as many of them with you as possible before you take your last breath.

Has this ever happened in reality, if so how long has it been in human history since an event like this.

Link Posted: 10/23/2016 7:16:10 PM EDT
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I suspect this occurs regularly particularly in African tribal battles modern day.

ETA: I don't think large developed nations with an informed populace "hate" the enemies they're being sent by others to fight. I think people living in mud huts drinking shit-water on drugs and fighting for the warlord/tribal leader of the day truly hate their enemies. They survive due to dumb luck and their enemy's lack of skill, not because they care about their own lives.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 7:18:09 PM EDT
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I'm not talking about being an effective soldier, because you've accepted your death.

I'm talking about anger and rage pre-conflict so intense that as long as you kill the enemy you go to your death with peace.

Think the hopeless situation, "the horde" is coming to destroy/kill/rape everything you hold dear, alas there is no hope. Only the hope of a good death and that you take as many of them with you as possible before you take your last breath.

Has this ever happened in reality, if so how long has it been in human history since an event like this.

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You're kinda describing what I imagine all terrorists think and feel.

I'm pretty sure most people deploying to combat zones now a days think something like:

"Fuck yeah no more being a boot ass bitch for me"

"Fuck yeah combat pay!!!!  I'll finally be able to pay off my tab at Harris jewelers."

"Fuck yeah I'll get to kill someone.

"Fuck me my wife is going to leave me the second my last paycheck hits before I get home."
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 7:22:37 PM EDT
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My father said that happened to him in Europe. They kept him awake for a couple of days and he wounded up walking alone up some street in a village. A German soldier shot at him and he just kept walking. He said, "I was so tired, I didn't care if he shot me." He added, "Fortunately, the guy was a lousy shot."

ETA- He never said he forgot about his own mortality. He knew what had to be done and he did what he had to do. Sounds like a cliche, but he had a few tales of interesting things that happened as well as orders that were a bit 'off.' He charged a German machine gun position and took it out a few days before they surrendered. He said he did it because it had to be done.
Link Posted: 10/23/2016 7:23:41 PM EDT
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You're kinda describing what I imagine all terrorists think and feel.

I'm pretty sure most people deploying to combat zones now a days think something like:

"Fuck yeah no more being a boot ass bitch for me"

"Fuck yeah combat pay!!!!  I'll finally be able to pay off my tab at Harris jewelers."

"Fuck yeah I'll get to kill someone.

"Fuck me my wife is going to leave me the second my last paycheck hits before I get home."
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I'm not talking about being an effective soldier, because you've accepted your death.

I'm talking about anger and rage pre-conflict so intense that as long as you kill the enemy you go to your death with peace.

Think the hopeless situation, "the horde" is coming to destroy/kill/rape everything you hold dear, alas there is no hope. Only the hope of a good death and that you take as many of them with you as possible before you take your last breath.

Has this ever happened in reality, if so how long has it been in human history since an event like this.



You're kinda describing what I imagine all terrorists think and feel.

I'm pretty sure most people deploying to combat zones now a days think something like:

"Fuck yeah no more being a boot ass bitch for me"

"Fuck yeah combat pay!!!!  I'll finally be able to pay off my tab at Harris jewelers."

"Fuck yeah I'll get to kill someone.

"Fuck me my wife is going to leave me the second my last paycheck hits before I get home."


So what you're saying is only a terrorist could feel that way?

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