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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:22:37 PM EDT
[#1]
Well ya eh. I haven't bought factory ammo in a long time. 22lr being the exception.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:25:09 PM EDT
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I still carry 9mm that I loaded 30 years ago. They are very hot hollow points.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:26:00 PM EDT
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Do any of you actually use your reloads as main CCW ammo?
Answer: Not just no, fuck no. And yes, I have a CCW in NY. Quit hating us poor upstate wetneck gringos. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:26:22 PM EDT
[#4]
Speer Gold Dots are an easy answer to rolling your own. Accurate, reliable, and cheap enough to make plenty for practice as well..
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:29:32 PM EDT
[#5]
Only in 357 magnum, which I don't carry much anymore.
For 9mm, I carry federal HST. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:29:48 PM EDT
[#6]
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Speer Gold Dots are an easy answer to rolling your own. Accurate, reliable, and cheap enough to make plenty for practice as well.. Haven't had time to reload so have been buying factory gold dots lately. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:30:19 PM EDT
[#7]
Gold dots and XTP's are great for for rolling your own and defensive use
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:32:48 PM EDT
[#8]
XTP in 45, some kind of federal hollow point in 9.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:33:59 PM EDT
[#9]
Yes, 124 grain Gold Dots.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:36:09 PM EDT
[#10]
Yes and I will continue to do so despite the bullshit "some lawyer will use it against you in court!" rumor that nobody can support with evidence.
If Federal offered HST's in 10mm, I wouldn't have to roll my own from 180 grainers pulled from their .40 S&W ammo. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:36:22 PM EDT
[#11]
Yes, Gold Dots and XTP
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:47:16 PM EDT
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I've heard many discourage the practice but some are happy with it. I guess my question is.......what type of bullet are you using for such? It appears PDX1 and HST's are out of the question. I asked the very question a few years ago and got the beat down of my life, cuz lawyers, lawsuits and all that kind of tinfoil asshatery 
I really dont see a problem carrying your own reloads it's not like they will kill or mame a person any worse then factory ammo I think that comes from shot placement not if you made your own ammo or not,... |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:55:17 PM EDT
[#13]
Not really any serious reasons why you wouldn't.
But not really any decent reason why you would. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:58:23 PM EDT
[#14]
You want to make the gun and the ammo as lawyer proof as possible.
So Speer 230 gr. Gold dot 45 acp factory ammo in my lightly customized Colt Commander. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:59:00 PM EDT
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But not really any decent reason why you would. 10mm 180grn Federal HST |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:01:10 PM EDT
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You want to make the gun and the ammo as lawyer proof as possible. If that statement is true, we should all be using flintlocks as our home defense firearm. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:01:11 PM EDT
[#17]
Sure. Loaded black talons in .45 and gold dots in 9mm. Both near +P on paper (not chrono'd) and both shoot extremely well.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:05:46 PM EDT
[#18]
If I had the time to develop a decent self defense load I would carry handloads, but for what I carry there are plenty of good factory defense rounds at a reasonable price.
Most of my handloading has been for precision rifles or stuff that's not easily otherwise available. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:05:49 PM EDT
[#19]
380 90gr XTPs loaded to 1025fps out of a G42
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:07:38 PM EDT
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Using home grown reloads earns you 5 out of 5 WTF's. That's just insane. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:11:24 PM EDT
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Using home grown reloads earns you 5 out of 5 WTF's. That's just insane. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:20:01 PM EDT
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Using home grown reloads earns you 5 out of 5 WTF's. That's just insane. If so, that's just insane. The imaginary lawyer in your imaginary self-defense trial will convince the imaginary jury that you were itching to kill someone because your handgun holds more than 1 shot and keeps shooting as long as you pull the trigger. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:23:43 PM EDT
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Do you carry a semi-auto? If so, that's just insane. The imaginary lawyer in your imaginary self-defense trial will convince the imaginary jury that you were itching to kill someone because your handgun holds more than 1 shot and keeps shooting as long as you pull the trigger. Again, that's a very unlikely scenario, but again, I can't even think of a lame reason to not carry factory loaded ammo, so... |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:27:37 PM EDT
[#24]
I reload.
I reload 124gr Gold Dots. However, I buy factory 124gr Gold Dots for my carry ammo. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:28:45 PM EDT
[#25]
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Yes and I will continue to do so despite the bullshit "some lawyer will use it against you in court!" rumor that nobody can support with evidence. If Federal offered HST's in 10mm, I wouldn't have to roll my own from 180 grainers pulled from their .40 S&W ammo. https://rmrbullets.com/shop/bullets-for-reloading/bullets-for-reloading-40-10mm-15/40-10mm-180-gr-federal-premium-hst-hp-pulled/?v=7516fd43adaa |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:39:03 PM EDT
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Not really any serious reasons why you wouldn't. But not really any decent reason why you would. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:49:53 PM EDT
[#27]
No sir, only factory ammo here.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:54:31 PM EDT
[#28]
No reloads for my CCW. Federal 147gr. 9mm Standard (not + P) HST is my load out.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:02:36 PM EDT
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The only real "courtroom" trouble I can see handloads causing is if your case required forensic shooting analysis and replicating shots in order to exonerate you. No way any results would be admissible. Again, that's a very unlikely scenario, but again, I can't even think of a lame reason to not carry factory loaded ammo, so... Someone tries to kill you and you shoot him from a foot away with reloads. You stop him but severed his spine so he is crippled for life. Probably he is not going to say "Yea, I was trying to kill him and he fought back", more like "I was over there minding my own business and that guy shot me from across the street" The gunshot residue patterns of factory ammo can be brought into court to show how far away you were when you fired. Reloads? No way. Even the remaining ammo in the box you loaded your carry mag with is evidence that you "literally manufactured yourself", no way that is admissible. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:05:43 PM EDT
[#30]
If I still loaded handgun ammo for accuracy/terminal performance, I might, that said, 230 gr hydra shocks should serve me just fine.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:08:02 PM EDT
[#31]
Of course. I load 180 grain XTPs for 10mm and 124 grain gold dots for 9mm. I have enough 124grain gold dots I won't need carry ammo for a long time.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:12:01 PM EDT
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That's such a stupid fucking concept with nothing real to back it up. Go ahead, find me a real life story where someone went from "self defense" to "murder" because of their gun or ammo. If that statement is true, we should all be using flintlocks as our home defense firearm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You want to make the gun and the ammo as lawyer proof as possible. If that statement is true, we should all be using flintlocks as our home defense firearm. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/874547_Dateline__Trail_of_Evidence___Harold_Fish___BUT_FOR_THE_GRACE_OF_GOD_THERE_GO_ANY_ONE_OF_US.html |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:12:20 PM EDT
[#33]
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Yes and I will continue to do so despite the bullshit "some lawyer will use it against you in court!" rumor that nobody can support with evidence. If Federal offered HST's in 10mm, I wouldn't have to roll my own from 180 grainers pulled from their .40 S&W ammo. Its not worth it, IMO. Spend $30 for a box of gold dots. *dedicated reloader* |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:13:15 PM EDT
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Care to support that statement with anything resembling facts? Don't believe everything Ayoob tells you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Using home grown reloads earns you 5 out of 5 WTF's. That's just insane. a homemade bullet is not anymore more dangerous then a factory bullet it can not kill/wound anything/anyone more then a factory bullet can a bullet is a bullet |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:13:26 PM EDT
[#35]
There is some weapons grade derp in this thread.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:15:36 PM EDT
[#36]
Factory ammo won't push a 165 to 1700fps.
So yes I carry reloads. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:16:10 PM EDT
[#37]
I reload, and do so well. I'd rather leave it to the big guys. Yes, I've seen factory fail, but not enough to make me use my own.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:16:38 PM EDT
[#38]
I do, and don't. My CCW is loaded with factory loads, and my truck gun AR pistol is loaded with z-max handloads. I would only say that I prefer factory stuff for a hand gun because I figure they are slightly less likely to have a dud round. If I have time to get out the ar pistol, the threat is probably a little farther away, and might give me a little more time to clear a dud round that I may have made. Probably splitting hairs at that point. Also, factory zombie rounds be damn axpensive yo!
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:17:29 PM EDT
[#39]
If by "reloads" you mean "handloads", then yes.
Why would I want to use inferior factory ammo? Nothing I have found has been more accurate and more reliable than ammo I have loaded myself. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:17:45 PM EDT
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IIRC there is a court case. Guy loaded his own 10mm and used it in a self defense shooting. It was the corner stone of the prosecutions case. Its not worth it, IMO. Spend $30 for a box of gold dots. *dedicated reloader* |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:21:13 PM EDT
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Using home grown reloads earns you 5 out of 5 WTF's. That's just insane. You on the other hand are just hoping the factory automation didn't fuck up the round in your carry piece. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:21:16 PM EDT
[#42]
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IIRC there is a court case. Guy loaded his own 10mm and used it in a self defense shooting. It was the corner stone of the prosecutions case. Its not worth it, IMO. Spend $30 for a box of gold dots. *dedicated reloader* |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:21:22 PM EDT
[#43]
If you are not confident in your ability to reload or load with new components, ammunition, then by all means stick with factory loaded.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:22:53 PM EDT
[#44]
American Reloading may still have some pull down 9mm 147 HST's left. I'm working up a load for carry with those now. If these don't do it for me, I'll switch to Gold Dots.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:28:06 PM EDT
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Are handloads more dangerous, deadly, lethal than factory ammo?
I sure hope so, that's kind of the point. I started loading defensive ammo for my 45's back when the 200 grain Gold Dot was the hotness. Even back then Mas preached against it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 11:04:57 PM EDT
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Using home grown reloads earns you 5 out of 5 WTF's. That's just insane. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 11:06:23 PM EDT
[#47]
Yep, 147gr Gold Dots.
Now I'm going to unsubscribe to this thread so I don't read any more half-assed legal derp. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 11:12:51 PM EDT
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If by "reloads" you mean "handloads", then yes. Why would I want to use inferior factory ammo? Nothing I have found has been more accurate and more reliable than ammo I have loaded myself. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 11:18:29 PM EDT
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How about the Harold Fish incident? The prosecution specifically pointed out the use of a 10mm as unusual and excessive. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/874547_Dateline__Trail_of_Evidence___Harold_Fish___BUT_FOR_THE_GRACE_OF_GOD_THERE_GO_ANY_ONE_OF_US.html |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 11:19:45 PM EDT
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I only use quality factory ammo for serious use.
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