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Posted: 8/20/2005 7:25:14 AM EDT
Take today for instance, I have several projects to do in the Garage. I don't feel like putting on a sidearm so I Pick
"Firearm of the Day". Today's Firearm of the Day is my AK 47 Romy with Side Folding Stock, and a 30 Round Mag.
My Romy sits in the corner hidden from view but readly accessable.
Besides having a firearm handy, I get more use of my Rifles than just range time.

Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:28:08 AM EDT
So............


what the question?

SGat1r5
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:29:41 AM EDT
Um ....... yeah
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:31:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 7:31:58 AM EDT by motown_steve]
I've stopped keeping a pistol with me around the house, and started keeping a rifle instead. Usually it's my SAR-1.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:32:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 7:37:22 AM EDT by TexasSIG]
Do I what, pick a firearm of the day for defensive use?

I'd say that's about as dumb an idea as I've heard in a long time.
I can guess it's safe to assume you have never had any training right?

The point of training and repetitive movements is to build muscle memory
and to let the operation of the weapon happen on "automatic pilot" as it
were when you really need it.

How do you remember which clearance drill to use? How to you remember which
reloading sequence to use?

Recipe for disaster my friend. Recommend you stop doing that at once.
Do I sound like an asshole for talking to you like this? Yeah, sorry, seriously
trying to get you to reconsider doing a very dangerous thing.

Pick ONE as your go to weapon, train with it, and play with the rest of them.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:35:25 AM EDT
yeah, yeah...... I do that. No. Really. I do that. Seriously. I do. Not making fun or anything. I do it. Really. Well, not really.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:46:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 7:55:22 AM EDT by Dru]
Have one that sits in the living room......... Towards the front door......... 5 year old son fires, 8 year old sons feeds ammo. We have drills and I yell commands in german............ Neighbors across the street are gonna be pissed about all the stray rounds if we ever have to use it!


I even bought 'em some Stahlhelm's to wear..............


Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:52:09 AM EDT

Where do you live?

Kosovo? Falluja? Downtown Detroit?

Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:52:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:53:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:56:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Where do you live?

Kosovo? Falluja? Downtown Detroit?




Drupastan............
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:58:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TexasSIG:
Do I what, pick a firearm of the day for defensive use?

I'd say that's about as dumb an idea as I've heard in a long time.
I can guess it's safe to assume you have never had any training right?

The point of training and repetitive movements is to build muscle memory
and to let the operation of the weapon happen on "automatic pilot" as it
were when you really need it.

How do you remember which clearance drill to use? How to you remember which
reloading sequence to use?

Recipe for disaster my friend. Recommend you stop doing that at once.
Do I sound like an asshole for talking to you like this? Yeah, sorry, seriously
trying to get you to reconsider doing a very dangerous thing.

Pick ONE as your go to weapon, train with it, and play with the rest of them.



I am untrained.............can't help it. I shoot about 5000 rifle rounds a year. I try to be proficiant with 3 of them. Two of them are the go to rifles. M4 and the Romy. My other Ak is new and a Milled AK and I am not used to it yet.
Chances are where I live, on a quiet dead end street it'll be a quiet day, but the town where I live has a higher dirtbag to normal citizen ratio. I still like to have a firearm handy. Thanks for your input.


I fall right in line with a defensive pistol ( shoot about 3000 round a year), I have one that is always the go to gun.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:13:22 AM EDT
I use the same gun for defensive use, a Colt 1911 Gummint model. Everything else in my collection is a "toy".
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:16:24 AM EDT
no
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:17:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:33:01 AM EDT
Damn I dont even keep a gun on me at home.

my driveway is 920 ft so if someone shows up I go to the door were I have a M4 handy.

Now if the Communist/Zombie hord jumps me from the woods I will just have to make a run for my M4.

FREE
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:50:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TexasSIG:
Do I what, pick a firearm of the day for defensive use?

I'd say that's about as dumb an idea as I've heard in a long time.
I can guess it's safe to assume you have never had any training right?

The point of training and repetitive movements is to build muscle memory
and to let the operation of the weapon happen on "automatic pilot" as it
were when you really need it.

How do you remember which clearance drill to use? How to you remember which
reloading sequence to use?

Recipe for disaster my friend. Recommend you stop doing that at once.
Do I sound like an asshole for talking to you like this? Yeah, sorry, seriously
trying to get you to reconsider doing a very dangerous thing.

Pick ONE as your go to weapon, train with it, and play with the rest of them.



kinda harsh man
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:59:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dru:
Have one that sits in the living room......... Towards the front door......... 5 year old son fires, 8 year old sons feeds ammo. We have drills and I yell commands in german............ Neighbors across the street are gonna be pissed about all the stray rounds if we ever have to use it!


I even bought 'em some Stahlhelm's to wear..............


www.classicfirearms.co.uk/mg42%20panz%206front.jpg



f/a or s/a??
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 9:21:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TexasSIG:
Do I what, pick a firearm of the day for defensive use?

I'd say that's about as dumb an idea as I've heard in a long time.
I can guess it's safe to assume you have never had any training right?

The point of training and repetitive movements is to build muscle memory
and to let the operation of the weapon happen on "automatic pilot" as it
were when you really need it.

How do you remember which clearance drill to use? How to you remember which
reloading sequence to use?

Recipe for disaster my friend. Recommend you stop doing that at once.
Do I sound like an asshole for talking to you like this? Yeah, sorry, seriously
trying to get you to reconsider doing a very dangerous thing.

Pick ONE as your go to weapon, train with it, and play with the rest of them.


I guess you could call what I do training. Every time I watch a movie, I grab an appropriate weapon(AK or M4, or SKS, or shotgun etc etc)and the entire time I'm watching the movie(between sips of Pop)I use snap caps, and am constantly loading, unloading, reloading, clear, charging, practicing trigger pull, stripping and re-assembling. I'm near the point where I can tell which weapon is sitting in front of me in the dark by the smell alone. I can do any of the operations I described blind folded. I dunno if that was what you ment, but I would think it counts as learning repedative movements.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 10:34:43 AM EDT
I always carry my G21, on and off duty. But, when home I have my AR always close at hand. I work on it quite a bit but it's also my established primary. I train with the AR and G21 exclusively and "I R A Gun Teacher" at my PD. Just got my Low-Light Tactics course approved by the state, yeahaw.

My rifle is one of my buddies and my daughter will be getting a buddy of her own for her 10th bday. I'm going to customize a 10-22 using an RB Precision Evolution Railed stock. cool as hell. It adapts the 10-22 to take AR stocks and accesories. Add to that a few extra AR parts I have in my parts bin and a custom barrel and trigger group and WHOOOOOSH! Fun to be had.

A rifle, always and anytime.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 11:40:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 12:01:01 PM EDT by TexasSIG]

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:

Originally Posted By TexasSIG:
Do I what, pick a firearm of the day for defensive use?

I'd say that's about as dumb an idea as I've heard in a long time.
I can guess it's safe to assume you have never had any training right?

The point of training and repetitive movements is to build muscle memory
and to let the operation of the weapon happen on "automatic pilot" as it
were when you really need it.

How do you remember which clearance drill to use? How to you remember which
reloading sequence to use?

Recipe for disaster my friend. Recommend you stop doing that at once.
Do I sound like an asshole for talking to you like this? Yeah, sorry, seriously
trying to get you to reconsider doing a very dangerous thing.

Pick ONE as your go to weapon, train with it, and play with the rest of them.



kinda harsh man



Yeah it is. Truth sometimes is very harsh.
I said in my post that I would sound like an asshole,
but think about it for a minute.

Here is a guy talking about using a reasonably high powered weapon as
a self defense arm. That's serious business, and a serious discussion
is OK don't you think?


Not tryint to insult anyone, but there is a reason people use one weapon
system when it counts. You don't see people that do it for a living switching
back and forth between AKs, FALs, and ARs. Shooting all of those for fun
is one thing, and we all do that I'm sure, but your training should all
be on one system.

Take some real training, where weapon failure drills etc are included.
Add some time limit element and scoring. Even just that little
stress can throw off your fine motor skills. It needs to be ingrained
in muscle memory.

Link Posted: 8/20/2005 11:46:25 AM EDT
Yeah, I do it, but not daily, more like weekly. In the morning I do drills to refresh with whatever pistol I'm carrying concealed.

As for rifles, I only have two, a G3 and AK-74, that are nearby for defense. They're simple and reliable.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:12:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TexasSIG:

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:

Originally Posted By TexasSIG:
Do I what, pick a firearm of the day for defensive use?

I'd say that's about as dumb an idea as I've heard in a long time.
I can guess it's safe to assume you have never had any training right?

The point of training and repetitive movements is to build muscle memory
and to let the operation of the weapon happen on "automatic pilot" as it
were when you really need it.

How do you remember which clearance drill to use? How to you remember which
reloading sequence to use?

Recipe for disaster my friend. Recommend you stop doing that at once.
Do I sound like an asshole for talking to you like this? Yeah, sorry, seriously
trying to get you to reconsider doing a very dangerous thing.

Pick ONE as your go to weapon, train with it, and play with the rest of them.



kinda harsh man



Yeah it is. Truth sometimes is very harsh.
I said in my post that I would sound like an asshole,
but think about it for a minute.

Here is a guy talking about using a reasonably high powered weapon as
a self defense arm. That's serious business, and a serious discussion
is OK don't you think?


Not tryint to insult anyone, but there is a reason people use one weapon
system when it counts. You don't see people that do it for a living switching
back and forth between AKs, FALs, and ARs. Shooting all of those for fun
is one thing, and we all do that I'm sure, but your training should all
be on one system.

Take some real training, where weapon failure drills etc are included.
Add some time limit element and scoring. Even just that little
stress can throw off your fine motor skills. It needs to be ingrained
in muscle memory.




Yeah, you're right.

The Army was dead wrong, training me to be proficient with all different kinds of weapons.

What was I thinking, buying all these guns? I better sell all of them but one. With my limited mental capacity, I don't think I could reasonably be expected to learn battle drills for several different types of weapons, and actually realize which one I'm using at any given time.


Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:59:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 4:19:27 PM EDT by TexasSIG]
Edited.

Not worth arguing with some people.....
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 3:40:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kpel308:
The purpose of a handgun is to allow you to get to a long gun...



+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000­
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 5:04:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TexasSIG:
Edited.

Not worth arguing with some people.....



No, please, enlighten us on being proficient in only one weapon!

Really, please share with us your tactical wisdom, obviousouly acquired through extensive training and real-world application!

If you're going to be our hero, you MUST tell us why single weapon proficiency is the one true method!

Don't puss out now, we NEED your expertise!

Link Posted: 8/20/2005 5:12:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 5:14:58 PM EDT by MachinegunManiac]

Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
Damn I dont even keep a gun on me at home.

my driveway is 920 ft so if someone shows up I go to the door were I have a M4 handy.

Now if the Communist/Zombie hord jumps me from the woods I will just have to make a run for my M4.

FREE


I got you beat on the driveway. I could go for my rifle in plenty of time if I feel threatened.

But I have a confession to make...

It's usually my M48!(because of the higher caliber[plus the bayonet mount don't hurt])

Originally Posted By TexasSIG:
Do I what, pick a firearm of the day for defensive use?

I'd say that's about as dumb an idea as I've heard in a long time.
I can guess it's safe to assume you have never had any training right?

The point of training and repetitive movements is to build muscle memory
and to let the operation of the weapon happen on "automatic pilot" as it
were when you really need it.

How do you remember which clearance drill to use? How to you remember which
reloading sequence to use?

Recipe for disaster my friend. Recommend you stop doing that at once.
Do I sound like an asshole for talking to you like this? Yeah, sorry, seriously
trying to get you to reconsider doing a very dangerous thing.

Pick ONE as your go to weapon, train with it, and play with the rest of them.


Training? You mean... civilian training? That anyone who doesn't have such training is has no idea to handle a firearm or defend themselves?
...OK, if you say so, Mr. High-Speed.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 5:35:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MachinegunManiac:

Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
Damn I dont even keep a gun on me at home.

my driveway is 920 ft so if someone shows up I go to the door were I have a M4 handy.

Now if the Communist/Zombie hord jumps me from the woods I will just have to make a run for my M4.

FREE


I got you beat on the driveway. I could go for my rifle in plenty of time if I feel threatened.

But I have a confession to make...

It's usually my M48!(because of the higher caliber[plus the bayonet mount don't hurt])

Originally Posted By TexasSIG:
Do I what, pick a firearm of the day for defensive use?

I'd say that's about as dumb an idea as I've heard in a long time.
I can guess it's safe to assume you have never had any training right?

The point of training and repetitive movements is to build muscle memory
and to let the operation of the weapon happen on "automatic pilot" as it
were when you really need it.

How do you remember which clearance drill to use? How to you remember which
reloading sequence to use?

Recipe for disaster my friend. Recommend you stop doing that at once.
Do I sound like an asshole for talking to you like this? Yeah, sorry, seriously
trying to get you to reconsider doing a very dangerous thing.

Pick ONE as your go to weapon, train with it, and play with the rest of them.


Training? You mean... civilian training? That anyone who doesn't have such training is has no idea to handle a firearm or defend themselves?
...OK, if you say so, Mr. High-Speed.



Hey, leave Siggy alone. He's going to bring us up to speed on single weapon only profiency, and save us all a bunch of money on guns and ammo!

And think of the military applications. No more sidearms. No more M203s. No more crew-serveds.

Man, this is going to be AWESOME!
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 4:28:50 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 4:42:47 AM EDT
While people are bashing Sig, I tend to agree with him.

Muscle Memory is key, it saves lives.
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 5:42:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TexasSIG:
Do I what, pick a firearm of the day for defensive use?

I'd say that's about as dumb an idea as I've heard in a long time.
I can guess it's safe to assume you have never had any training right?



I agree completely with the rest of your post. However, "firearm of the day" doesn't have to mean unfamiliar. I generally choose one or two of three weapons when I go out. Two of them are the same model full size auto in different finishes. One I use with my concealed holster, the other with my open carry holster. The third is a .32 that I have in a pocket holster. I practice with all of them and have confidence in all of them. I have the .32 on me right now because I doubt I'm leaving the house and the full size autos are less comfortable when I'm laying on the couch.

Of course, if I ever grab the single action .44 as a sidearm, please slap me upside the head.
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 5:50:00 AM EDT
Tagged for the outcome
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 5:56:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/21/2005 5:58:33 AM EDT by Gregory_A]
I keep my G26 handy,but living in MA I have to keep my bullets in a locked safe 300ft away from any weapons and or children/dogs (State Law)

I hope if the unthinkable happens,the thief is in a wheelchair.Because I will need at least 10 minutes to get things done.

First I have to call the Chief of Police to get the combo to my trigger lock(we aren't allowed to have the combo)Then I have to run upstairs and get my ammo,take off the trigger lock,and load a mag.Then run back downstairs and draw down on the scum.

This may seem like overkill to a lot of you,but we do have good chowda and lobsta.
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 6:15:51 AM EDT
Yeah man, totally. Everytime I'm in the garage, I have my AR handy and pray for drive-by shooters. I never do it with my hunting rifle though.
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 1:54:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MachinegunManiac:

Training? You mean... civilian training? That anyone who doesn't have such training is has no idea to handle a firearm or defend themselves?
...OK, if you say so, Mr. High-Speed.



Exactly the response I'd expect from the airsoft crowd. "training is useless, I shoot at the range all
the time, I'm ready for anything"......
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 1:59:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/21/2005 2:25:15 PM EDT by TexasSIG]

Originally Posted By qwijibo:

Originally Posted By TexasSIG:
Do I what, pick a firearm of the day for defensive use?

I'd say that's about as dumb an idea as I've heard in a long time.
I can guess it's safe to assume you have never had any training right?



I agree completely with the rest of your post. However, "firearm of the day" doesn't have to mean unfamiliar. I generally choose one or two of three weapons when I go out. Two of them are the same model full size auto in different finishes. One I use with my concealed holster, the other with my open carry holster. The third is a .32 that I have in a pocket holster. I practice with all of them and have confidence in all of them. I have the .32 on me right now because I doubt I'm leaving the house and the full size autos are less comfortable when I'm laying on the couch.

Of course, if I ever grab the single action .44 as a sidearm, please slap me upside the head.



Right, and you've done what most people do, limit the choices of "go to" weapons to a select few
that you practice with more than the rest. And you no doubt have a higher level of
proficiency with those 2 or 3 than the others that you shoot for fun, hunting, collecting, whatever.

Makes sense to me. That's all I'm trying to tell the friendly folks here, that "gun of the day" for
your self defense weapon does not make a lot of sense. No one ever said only use one gun.

Link Posted: 8/22/2005 3:06:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TexasSIG:
Do I what, pick a firearm of the day for defensive use?

I'd say that's about as dumb an idea as I've heard in a long time.
I can guess it's safe to assume you have never had any training right?

The point of training and repetitive movements is to build muscle memory
and to let the operation of the weapon happen on "automatic pilot" as it
were when you really need it.

How do you remember which clearance drill to use? How to you remember which
reloading sequence to use?

Recipe for disaster my friend. Recommend you stop doing that at once.
Do I sound like an asshole for talking to you like this? Yeah, sorry, seriously
trying to get you to reconsider doing a very dangerous thing.

Pick ONE as your go to weapon, train with it, and play with the rest of them.






Originally Posted By TexasSIG:

Right, and you've done what most people do, limit the choices of "go to" weapons to a select few
that you practice with more than the rest. And you no doubt have a higher level of
proficiency with those 2 or 3 than the others that you shoot for fun, hunting, collecting, whatever.

Makes sense to me. That's all I'm trying to tell the friendly folks here, that "gun of the day" for
your self defense weapon does not make a lot of sense. No one ever said only use one gun.



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