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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:05:39 AM EDT
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demorat + firearms + enthusiast, ... sounds like a new species to me..
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:06:07 AM EDT
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See, I think as America and time progresses, we will become more pro gun. These new generations have a higher interest in firearms. Its the FUDD's that dont care about semi auto/ full auto.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:07:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: demorat + firearms + enthusiast, ... sounds like a new species to me.. Not at all. I believe it's known as the "lesser spotted Fudd" Frequently involves a herd mentality of sacrificing other gun owners in the hope of being able to keep their thuddy-thuddy and Beretta O/U. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:07:24 AM EDT
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demorat + firearms + enthusiast, ... sounds like a new species to me.. Over 35% of calgun*.net posters are left or middle left Democrats . and .8 % of them are Fudds |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:08:57 AM EDT
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See, I think as America and time progresses, we will become more pro gun. These new generations have a higher interest in firearms. Its the FUDD's that dont care about semi auto/ full auto. I'm inclined to agree. Fudd's and RINO's have done just as much to harm us as socialist democrats. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:12:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: demorat + firearms + enthusiast, ... sounds like a new species to me.. Sporting clays. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:14:29 AM EDT
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See, I think as America and time progresses, we will become more pro gun. These new generations have a higher interest in firearms. Its the FUDD's that dont care about semi auto/ full auto. I'm inclined to agree. Fudd's and RINO's have done just as much to harm us as socialist democrats. Uh, no (At least not in California ) 
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:15:38 AM EDT
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The two excuses I've read here over the years are:
1- Democrats really learned their lesson! They mean it this time! Really! 2- They're not single-issue voters |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:16:20 AM EDT
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I know quite a few and it boggles the mind. It's as if they see "reasonable restrictions" as OK... How do you think selling Klinton Mags and serializing ammunition is going to put an end to crime???
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:18:14 AM EDT
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The two excuses I've read here over the years are: 1- Democrats really learned their lesson! They mean it this time! Really! 2- They're not single-issue voters This. Or they're single issue isn't guns. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:19:15 AM EDT
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They Do in California and delude themselves into thinking otherwise (Denial) ,but how is it in your State ?? Well, there are as many anti-gun republicans as there are anti-gun democrats, and many of them simply vote democrat because that's how grandpappy voted. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:19:49 AM EDT
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The two excuses I've read here over the years are: 1- Democrats really learned their lesson! They mean it this time! Really! 2- They're not single-issue voters This. Or they're single issue isn't guns. 2A is not even a 3rd tier issue with many . |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:24:09 AM EDT
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here, i found some demorat + gun + enthusiasts... i guess the species does exist see for yourself!
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:28:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: They Do in California and delude themselves into thinking otherwise (Denial) ,but how is it in your State ?? Well, there are as many anti-gun republicans as there are anti-gun democrats, |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:32:27 AM EDT
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I only know of 2 MA gun owners that vote D.
These are the aholes at my club that say things like "I'd be OK with a ban on handguns" etc
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:36:40 AM EDT
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Yes, also they have convinced themselves that the dims in charge won't actually go through with it. They are obviously delusional.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:40:30 AM EDT
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They Do in California and delude themselves into thinking otherwise (Denial) ,but how is it in your State ?? Cognitive Dissonance |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:41:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: See, I think as America and time progresses, we will become more pro gun. These new generations have a higher interest in firearms. Its the FUDD's that dont care about semi auto/ full auto. I'm inclined to agree. Fudd's and RINO's have done just as much to harm us as socialist democrats. More silliness. The vast majority of alleged Fudds and RINO's simply do not care. Democrats -the party- have spent a century actively trying to destroy gun rights
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:47:03 AM EDT
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My FIL is an avid hunter in Iowa. He's bought 1 AR off me, and bought another off the shelf.
He's also a union guy that votes Dumbocrat every chance he gets. He votes for his job, not his freedoms. He told me when he bought my AR that he wanted to get one before they banned them. I told him that it's better to not vote the people in that will ban them in the first place. He didn't have much of an answer for me after that. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:48:17 AM EDT
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See, I think as America and time progresses, we will become more pro gun. These new generations have a higher interest in firearms. Its the FUDD's that dont care about semi auto/ full auto. I'm inclined to agree. Fudd's and RINO's have done just as much to harm us as socialist democrats. More silliness. The vast majority of alleged Fudds and RINO's simply do not care. Democrats -the party- have spent a century actively trying to destroy gun rights and by not caring they enabled the dems to walk all over us which is just as bad if not worse. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:04:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: See, I think as America and time progresses, we will become more pro gun. These new generations have a higher interest in firearms. Its the FUDD's that dont care about semi auto/ full auto. I'm inclined to agree. Fudd's and RINO's have done just as much to harm us as socialist democrats. More silliness. The vast majority of alleged Fudds and RINO's simply do not care. Democrats -the party- have spent a century actively trying to destroy gun rights and by not caring they enabled the dems to walk all over us which is just as bad if not worse. No, it's not. "I don't really care about California wildfires" VS "I'm in a California forest pouring gasoline and flinging lit matches" |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:12:19 AM EDT
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Can someone translate the title of this thread to English?
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:14:21 AM EDT
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demorat + firearms + enthusiast, ... sounds like a new species to me.. We have quite a few in Ohio. Hell, half the repubs in Ohio are antigun while half the dems are pro. It took a pro-gun Dem governor to improve our CCW laws. 
ETA: The party as a whole however is antigun and should not be trusted. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:15:36 AM EDT
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They Do in California and delude themselves into thinking otherwise (Denial) ,but how is it in your State ?? Well, there are as many anti-gun republicans as there are anti-gun democrats, and many of them simply vote democrat because that's how grandpappy voted. Uh, no.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:18:01 AM EDT
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Calgunner is right about gun owners in CA. We have few fudds here, but we have lots of gun owners who vote leftist.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:18:04 AM EDT
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Believe it or not I know 2 pro gun Democrats that vote straight party line. They think guns are "untouchable" and that no democrat will take away guns. I also know one mildly anti gun republican. Yea, this is Portland. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:18:11 AM EDT
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demorat + firearms + enthusiast, ... sounds like a new species to me.. We have quite a few in Ohio. Hell, half the repubs in Ohio are antigun while half the dems are pro. It took a pro-gun Dem governor to improve our CCW laws. not so fast. that "pro gun" demorat governor just appointed his F-rated running mate to our Supreme Court. (see my post in OH HTF) |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:19:38 AM EDT
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Some gun guys put other issues before the Second Amendment rights.
And some Republican politicians will compromise on gun rights to get other legislation passed. Reagan banning the sale of new machine guns. Bush I banning the import of new military style weapons. Mayor Bloomberg(R) trying to shutdown gun shops in other states. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:19:42 AM EDT
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My FIL is an avid hunter in Iowa. He's bought 1 AR off me, and bought another off the shelf. He's also a union guy that votes Dumbocrat every chance he gets. He votes for his job, not his freedoms. He told me when he bought my AR that he wanted to get one before they banned them. I told him that it's better to not vote the people in that will ban them in the first place. He didn't have much of an answer for me after that. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile i hate people like that. so much for passing along freedom to the next generation (which should be every "real" american's duty) |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:22:31 AM EDT
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demorat + firearms + enthusiast, ... sounds like a new species to me.. We have quite a few in Ohio. Hell, half the repubs in Ohio are antigun while half the dems are pro. It took a pro-gun Dem governor to improve our CCW laws. not so fast. that "pro gun" demorat governor just appointed his F-rated running mate to our Supreme Court. (see my post in OH HTF) Yep, and Taft (the antigun former repub governor) would also have appointed an anti to the supreme court. I am not giving Strickland a free pass, but he has been much better towards gun owners than who he replaced. Ohio is a weird State when it comes to 2A support. Voinivich, Dewine, and Taft all have horrible voting records when it comes to the 2A. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:24:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: They Do in California and delude themselves into thinking otherwise (Denial) ,but how is it in your State ?? Absolutely, last year I thought this guy buying ammo at the gun counter I worked at was going to get himself murdered. Me and two huge biscuit eating, real-tree wearing country boys were talking guns and obamacare, suddenly this dude pipes up out of nowhere with: "I'm a gun owner, but making sure my fellow man has proper medical care and basic guaranteed amenities is way more important. What good is a gun if you can't have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I thought the biscuit twins were going to kill him, Obamagunner high-tailed it outta there with his ammo. -V |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:25:27 AM EDT
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Guns or no guns, marxists are marxists.. Fack em'
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:25:59 AM EDT
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The ones I know do. Most stated Obamacare, back when they thought it was going to be free, and the economy as their main priorities
I had one friend tell me "I don't give a shit what Obama does about guns. I'm voting for him because McCain would be four more years of Bush". Another is a union brainwashed Democrat. He was confident that Democrats would respect the 2nd Amendment and not restrict firearm ownership. I just laughed at him. Both individuals own multiple firearms that would be classified as assault weapons by antis.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:26:08 AM EDT
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Hardly. Harry Reid and John Dingell are some of the best friends we have as gun owners have in all of Congress, but they're otherwise far leftist shitbirds.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:28:03 AM EDT
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A lot of pro-gun union guys vote Democrat in spite of 2A issues, or at least they did in PA when I lived there.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:28:56 AM EDT
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demorat + firearms + enthusiast, ... sounds like a new species to me.. We have quite a few in Ohio. Hell, half the repubs in Ohio are antigun while half the dems are pro. It took a pro-gun Dem governor to improve our CCW laws. not so fast. that "pro gun" demorat governor just appointed his F-rated running mate to our Supreme Court. (see my post in OH HTF) Yep, and Taft (the antigun former repub governor) would also have appointed an anti to the supreme court. I am not giving Strickland a free pass, but he has been much better towards gun owners than who he replaced. Ohio is a weird State when it comes to 2A support. Voinivich, Dewine, and Taft all have horrible voting records when it comes to the 2A. we've also shown that we will override the veto of a less-than-desireable governor. as for strickland, he is a poser, just as i had always suspected... he had an "epiphany" years ago when figuring out he had to like gun rights to get elected in his old appalachian district. the distraction is hey watch this hand (i voted good), when the other hand is subverting the 2A (lee fischer, mcgee brown appointed to court, caving into HSUS, etc.) |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:30:04 AM EDT
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A lot of pro-gun union guys vote Democrat in spite of 2A issues, or at least they did in PA when I lived there. Yup. Toss a union in the mix and the percentage of votes for dems goes up. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:30:34 AM EDT
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I always thought that 2A rights in "pro gun" dems falls somewhere between cradling pelosi's balls and giving zero a reach around on the list of important shit.
 
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:31:35 AM EDT
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Hardly. Harry Reid and John Dingell are some of the best friends we have as gun owners have in all of Congress, but they're otherwise far leftist shitbirds. This is very true. They suck on everything but the gun issues. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:33:28 AM EDT
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You've chosen an odd torch to carry Calgunner. I think it's obvious to anyone that most true democrats (I don't know if being in CA makes this any more or less so than elsewhere) are not going to vote single issue on pro-2A candidates. To do so would cause them to vote almost exclusively Republican. I suspect that's too bitter a trade-off for any true liberal.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:38:44 AM EDT
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we've also shown that we will override the veto of a less-than-desireable governor. as for strickland, he is a poser, just as i had always suspected... he had an "epiphany" years ago when figuring out he had to like gun rights to get elected in his old appalachian district. the distraction is hey watch this hand (i voted good), when the other hand is subverting the 2A (lee fischer, mcgee brown appointed to court, caving into HSUS, etc.) Overiding a veto is a lot harder than getting a pro-gun governor in the seat to begin with. Taft was a hack, a bold faced liar when it came to 2A issues, he backed out of his word several times when CCW bills would hit his desk, which is why the veto overide was needed. You can not seriously think he was better for gun owners than Strickland? Yes Strickland appointed Fisher to the court, he also stood up against his party in 1994 and railed against the assault weapons ban, at a time when it was popular to be an antigun democrat, that was not an act. Voinivich and Dewine couldn't wait to vote yes on the damn thing. Strickland is not perfect, but he is far better than certain repubs in this State. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:55:54 AM EDT
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we've also shown that we will override the veto of a less-than-desireable governor. as for strickland, he is a poser, just as i had always suspected... he had an "epiphany" years ago when figuring out he had to like gun rights to get elected in his old appalachian district. the distraction is hey watch this hand (i voted good), when the other hand is subverting the 2A (lee fischer, mcgee brown appointed to court, caving into HSUS, etc.) Overiding a veto is a lot harder than getting a pro-gun governor in the seat to begin with. Taft was a hack, a bold faced liar when it came to 2A issues, he backed out of his word several times when CCW bills would hit his desk, which is why the veto overide was needed. You can not seriously think he was better for gun owners than Strickland? Yes Strickland appointed Fisher to the court, he also stood up against his party in 1994 and railed against the assault weapons ban, at a time when it was popular to be an antigun democrat, that was not an act. Voinivich and Dewine couldn't wait to vote yes on the damn thing. Strickland is not perfect, but he is far better than certain repubs in this State. i'm not saying taft was better, no argument there... just that i don't think strickland is as devoted as many think (including our "grassroots" orgs). frankly, i'm glad to see him go, because i think he would have really done damage when term-limited. i'd be happy overriding any governor (R or D) - if we can keep a big enough and balsy enough pro-gun majority in the legislature, i'd be happy just overriding governors all day long. i'm encouraged by guys like danny bubp, who have exhibited such qualities! |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:57:49 AM EDT
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The ones I know do. Most stated Obamacare, back when they thought it was going to be free, and the economy as their main priorities I had one friend tell me "I don't give a shit what Obama does about guns. I'm voting for him because McCain would be four more years of Bush". Another is a union brainwashed Democrat. He was confident that Democrats would respect the 2nd Amendment and not restrict firearm ownership. I just laughed at him. Both individuals own multiple firearms that would be classified as assault weapons by antis.
Gotcha ... |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:03:49 AM EDT
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They Do in California and delude themselves into thinking otherwise (Denial) ,but how is it in your State ?? Well, there are as many anti-gun republicans as there are anti-gun democrats, and many of them simply vote democrat because that's how grandpappy voted. Uh, no. So, I just imagined that republicans have sponsored and voted for antigun bills in Congress, that a republican President said he would renew the 94 AWB, that his predecessor signed an assault weapon import ban, and that his predecessor signed the machinegun ban into law and supported the Brady Bill. I also just imagined that in the past couple of years, state level republicans in Georgia refused to support extensions or preservations of carry rights. Anyone who votes GOP under the assumption that GOP automatically = pro 2A is a fool. The OP asked about MY state, and in MY state there are plenty of republicans who support anti-gun bills or refuse to support pro-gun bills. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 1:13:08 PM EDT
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They Do in California and delude themselves into thinking otherwise (Denial) ,but how is it in your State ?? Well, there are as many anti-gun republicans as there are anti-gun democrats, and many of them simply vote democrat because that's how grandpappy voted. Uh, no. So, I just imagined that republicans have sponsored and voted for antigun bills in Congress, that a republican President said he would renew the 94 AWB, that his predecessor signed an assault weapon import ban, and that his predecessor signed the machinegun ban into law and supported the Brady Bill. I also just imagined that in the past couple of years, state level republicans in Georgia refused to support extensions or preservations of carry rights. Anyone who votes GOP under the assumption that GOP automatically = pro 2A is a fool. The OP asked about MY state, and in MY state there are plenty of republicans who support anti-gun bills or refuse to support pro-gun bills. Thats why all of the recent Anti-Gun bills have ben straight party line votes (Unless you go back 10 years) with an occasional cross over one way or the other from both parties . |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 1:16:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They Do in California and delude themselves into thinking otherwise (Denial) ,but how is it in your State ?? Well, there are as many anti-gun republicans as there are anti-gun democrats, and many of them simply vote democrat because that's how grandpappy voted. Uh, no. So, I just imagined that republicans have sponsored and voted for antigun bills in Congress, that a republican President said he would renew the 94 AWB, that his predecessor signed an assault weapon import ban, and that his predecessor signed the machinegun ban into law and supported the Brady Bill. I also just imagined that in the past couple of years, state level republicans in Georgia refused to support extensions or preservations of carry rights. Anyone who votes GOP under the assumption that GOP automatically = pro 2A is a fool. The OP asked about MY state, and in MY state there are plenty of republicans who support anti-gun bills or refuse to support pro-gun bills. Would you like to make a list of democrat sponsored gun grabbing bills vs republican sponsored gun grabbing bills over the past 30 years? Would you like to confine it just to senators and representatives from Georgia? Your statement is complete bullshit either way.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 1:17:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They Do in California and delude themselves into thinking otherwise (Denial) ,but how is it in your State ?? Well, there are as many anti-gun republicans as there are anti-gun democrats, and many of them simply vote democrat because that's how grandpappy voted. Uh, no. So, I just imagined that republicans have sponsored and voted for antigun bills in Congress, that a republican President said he would renew the 94 AWB, that his predecessor signed an assault weapon import ban, and that his predecessor signed the machinegun ban into law and supported the Brady Bill. I also just imagined that in the past couple of years, state level republicans in Georgia refused to support extensions or preservations of carry rights. Anyone who votes GOP under the assumption that GOP automatically = pro 2A is a fool. The OP asked about MY state, and in MY state there are plenty of republicans who support anti-gun bills or refuse to support pro-gun bills. Thats why all of the recent Anti-Gun bills have ben straight party line votes (Unless you go back 10 years) with an occasional cross over one way or the other from both parties . Moral equivalence, 1 republican = 1000 democrats. |
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