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Posted: 1/28/2011 7:33:47 PM EDT

Was listening to Wilkow the other day on Sirius and he brought up a half hearted argument about the 2nd Amendment that was really interesting to me.

He was saying that in response to the left claiming that health care, housing, and jobs are a right (which they are not) Conservatives should encourage legislation that would make it mandatory that the Government should give each citizen a weapon or at least a tax write off of a certain number of guns because the 2nd Amendment explicitly states we have a right to keep arms.

I know as a Conservative I don't want the Govt to mandate anything but we have a better argument for this than he left does for health care.

Would you support a piece of legislation like that? Your tax dollars going to fund gun purchases for those who cant afford one? Tax write offs for one long gun, pistol, and Shot gun?

My only beef is that it doesnt state we have the right to be given a gun, just the right to keep and bear them.

Discuss.

Posted: 1/28/2011 7:36:08 PM EDT

[#1]

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Was listening to Wilkow the other day on Sirius and he brought up a half hearted argument about the 2nd Amendment that was really interesting to me.

He was saying that in response to the left claiming that health care, housing, and jobs are a right (which they are not) Conservatives should encourage legislation that would make it mandatory that the Government should give each citizen a weapon or at least a tax write off of a certain number of guns because the 2nd Amendment explicitly states we have a right to keep arms.

I know as a Conservative I don't want the Govt to mandate anything but we have a better argument for this than he left does for health care.

Would you support a piece of legislation like that? Your tax dollars going to fund gun purchases for those who cant afford one? Tax write offs for one long gun, pistol, and Shot gun?

My only beef is that it doesnt state we have the right to be given a gun, just the right to keep and bear them.

Discuss.

I'd be okay with the tax write offs.

Posted: 1/28/2011 7:40:08 PM EDT

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Was listening to Wilkow the other day on Sirius and he brought up a half hearted argument about the 2nd Amendment that was really interesting to me.

He was saying that in response to the left claiming that health care, housing, and jobs are a right (which they are not) Conservatives should encourage legislation that would make it mandatory that the Government should give each citizen a weapon or at least a tax write off of a certain number of guns because the 2nd Amendment explicitly states we have a right to keep arms.

I know as a Conservative I don't want the Govt to mandate anything but we have a better argument for this than he left does for health care.

Would you support a piece of legislation like that? Your tax dollars going to fund gun purchases for those who cant afford one? Tax write offs for one long gun, pistol, and Shot gun?

My only beef is that it doesnt state we have the right to be given a gun, just the right to keep and bear them.

Discuss.

I'd be okay with the tax write offs.

I believe I would be as well.

Posted: 1/28/2011 7:42:23 PM EDT

[#3]

Tax right offs are ok, but no gun welfare.

Posted: 1/28/2011 7:45:38 PM EDT

[#4]

I can just see the government buying all the hood rats’ glock fortays.

Posted: 1/28/2011 7:47:12 PM EDT

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I can just see the government buying all the hood rats’ glock fortays.

How about those with no criminal record?

Posted: 1/28/2011 7:58:33 PM EDT

[#6]

We have right to pursue happiness, not to be handed it on a silver platter.

Posted: 1/28/2011 8:32:24 PM EDT

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Your tax dollars going to fund gun purchases for those who cant afford one?

In inflation-adjusted dollars, firearms have gotten dirt-cheap. Nowadays, anyone who can't afford to buy them on his/her own probably doesn't have any business owning them anyway.

There's a certain level of stupidity that typically accompanies extreme poverty. If you're incapable of rising above that threshold, what are your chances of owning and using a firearm responsibly?

Posted: 1/28/2011 8:35:20 PM EDT

[#8]

Affordable FA is a RIGHT!

Posted: 1/28/2011 8:40:54 PM EDT

[#9]

I don't want a damn thing from the government except to be left the hell alone!

Posted: 1/28/2011 9:21:49 PM EDT

[#10]

So does the .gov also have to buy us a Bible, Koran, or Talmud?

Same logic. And I think I will bring this point up the next time some hippy wants to argue 0bamacare with me.
-K

Posted: 1/28/2011 9:27:32 PM EDT

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So does the .gov also have to buy us a Bible, Koran, or Talmud?

Same logic. And I think I will bring this point up the next time some hippy wants to argue 0bamacare with me.

-K

Lol. Like I said, as Conservatives we don't want the govt doing things for us.

You are right though, it is a good argument to use against libs.

Posted: 1/28/2011 9:33:32 PM EDT

[#12]

Idiots. 'Tax writeoff' means registering them with the gubmint.

Posted: 1/28/2011 9:36:26 PM EDT

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Idiots. 'Tax writeoff' means registering them with the gubmint.

...which you and I are required to do.

Posted: 1/28/2011 9:40:06 PM EDT

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Idiots. 'Tax writeoff' means registering them with the gubmint.

...which you and I are required to do.

Only if purchased from an FFL. Private sales do not require registering.

Posted: 1/28/2011 9:44:39 PM EDT

[#15]

Since when the fuck did "Right" become another word for government subsidized cheese.

eta: Sorry but every time someone tries and connect Right to THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD FUND THIS BECAUSE blah blah my blood boils:/

Posted: 1/28/2011 9:46:08 PM EDT

[#16]

I would support the legislation, but only if it came with a lighter load of police responsibility, and an increase in domestic work by the military. If anyone hasn't noticed yet, there are a lot of law abiding citizens who can't or don't want to responsibly own or operate a firearm. It would probably result in civil war. I'd take a tax credit toward a 1911 though!

Posted: 1/28/2011 9:56:51 PM EDT

[#17]

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Idiots. 'Tax writeoff' means registering them with the gubmint.

...which you and I are required to do.

only on the handguns.

Posted: 1/28/2011 10:00:03 PM EDT

[#18]

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Your tax dollars going to fund gun purchases for those who cant afford one?

In inflation-adjusted dollars, firearms have gotten dirt-cheap. Nowadays, anyone who can't afford to buy them on his/her own probably doesn't have any business owning them anyway.

There's a certain level of stupidity that typically accompanies extreme poverty. If you're incapable of rising above that threshold, what are your chances of owning and using a firearm responsibly?

That's definitely an incorrect blanket statement. Some people are genuinely disabled and unable to work. Disability only pays so much...

A lot of people are poor due to issues they can't resolve.

Posted: 1/29/2011 3:01:30 AM EDT

[#19]

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Affordable FA is a RIGHT!

This man's got it! Let me add...

"Quiet, full-auto is a right!"

Every gun owner should have access to affordable sound supressors! It's beats hearing aids, ask me how I know...

Posted: 1/29/2011 3:05:00 AM EDT

[#20]

Not that I don't see the problem with the left's view of a "right" but I just can't bring myself to support a tax break for firearms. It's simply distasteful.

Posted: 1/29/2011 3:27:21 AM EDT

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I don't want a damn thing from the government except to be left the hell alone!

This.

And [/thread].

David

Posted: 1/29/2011 3:36:26 AM EDT

[#22]

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We have right to pursue happiness, not to be handed it on a silver platter.

This

You have the right to pursue, not the right of happiness. This is what the left does not get.

Posted: 1/29/2011 10:14:21 AM EDT

[#23]

I guess the tax write-off would be ok. But pay for a firearm for everyone? No. Welfare by another name. We have the right to bear arms, it's our responsibility to finance that.

Posted: 1/29/2011 10:18:00 AM EDT

[#24]

Stupid ? here. I like listening to him on XM in the car, but upon going to the website you cannot stream more than 5 mins of show. I tried registering, but it doesn't seem to take it. What the heck am I missing here?

Posted: 1/29/2011 10:32:08 AM EDT

[#25]

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I guess the tax write-off would be ok. But pay for a firearm for everyone? No. Welfare by another name. We have the right to bear arms, it's our responsibility to finance that.

You already pay for the army's guns and all of the stuff in national guard armories. You do in fact pay for the 2nd amendment. You just don't get to use any of it because we have passed laws to continuously keep a large standing army and foreign bases. Or you can buy a gun from the cmp that taxpayers already bought once.

Posted: 1/29/2011 10:34:45 AM EDT

[#26]

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We have right to pursue happiness, not to be handed it on a silver platter.

This

You have the right to pursue, not the right of happiness. This is what the left does not get.

And not at my expense.

Posted: 1/29/2011 11:49:38 AM EDT

[#27]

No tax write-offs. We dont need the government meddling anymore than it is, and really need to have it quit its meddling alotogether. They create more problems than they ever solve.

If someone needs a tax write off as encouragement to buy a gun, then they do not need a gun.

Posted: 1/29/2011 11:54:26 AM EDT

[#28]

I would be happy with all taxes currently levied against guns ammo and accessories being removed.

Posted: 1/29/2011 11:58:17 AM EDT

[#29]

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So does the .gov also have to buy us a Bible, Koran, or Talmud?

Same logic. And I think I will bring this point up the next time some hippy wants to argue 0bamacare with me.

-K

Good point. Let's just make it so that shooting ranges are tax exempt just like a church is.

Posted: 1/29/2011 12:00:12 PM EDT

[#30]

Saying something is a “Right” means that the Government can’t stop you from doing it. It never means that the Government must provide it for you.

Posted: 1/29/2011 12:02:03 PM EDT

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Idiots. 'Tax writeoff' means registering them with the gubmint.

...which you and I are required to do.

Only if purchased from an FFL. Private sales do not require registering.

Illegal in CA.

Posted: 1/29/2011 12:02:25 PM EDT

[#32]

the only thing I want the Government to do for me is..get out of my fucking life!!

Posted: 1/29/2011 12:16:48 PM EDT

[#33]

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Your tax dollars going to fund gun purchases for those who cant afford one?

In inflation-adjusted dollars, firearms have gotten dirt-cheap. Nowadays, anyone who can't afford to buy them on his/her own probably doesn't have any business owning them anyway.

There's a certain level of stupidity that typically accompanies extreme poverty. If you're incapable of rising above that threshold, what are your chances of owning and using a firearm responsibly?

Um last I looked in my 1902 sears roebuck catalog, they had a few 2$ 12g double barrel (side by side) shotguns available, according to the inflation calculator, 2$ adjusted is 48.94$ in 2009.

Posted: 1/29/2011 12:16:58 PM EDT

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Saying something is a "Right” means that the Government can’t stop you from doing it. It never means that the Government must provide it for you.

unless it is an inalienable right

Posted: 1/29/2011 5:58:26 PM EDT

[#35]

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I don't want a damn thing from the government except to be left the hell alone!

+87!!!

Posted: 1/29/2011 8:07:27 PM EDT

[#36]

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Your tax dollars going to fund gun purchases for those who cant afford one?

In inflation-adjusted dollars, firearms have gotten dirt-cheap. Nowadays, anyone who can't afford to buy them on his/her own probably doesn't have any business owning them anyway.

There's a certain level of stupidity that typically accompanies extreme poverty. If you're incapable of rising above that threshold, what are your chances of owning and using a firearm responsibly?

That's definitely an incorrect blanket statement. Some people are genuinely disabled and unable to work. Disability only pays so much...

A lot of people are poor due to issues they can't resolve.

And for every person who falls into this category, I'll show you hundreds of poor people who are simply too stupid to own firearms responsibly. "Typically" is the key word here.

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