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Posted: 10/19/2004 2:50:19 PM EST
So do you carry your CCW weapon with the round chambered?

Obviously you should. There is a discussion going on in the Handguns forum and there is a guy in there who swears it's a bad idea. Everyone should read what he has to say, it's interesting and shows why folks should get CCW training.


www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=11277
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:51:26 PM EST
You might as well carry a brick as leave the chamber empty.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:54:53 PM EST
Isn't that it's for?

Situations evolve fast and the last thing you want to do is be wrestling to chamber a round while the bad guy is on top of you. Unless oyu carry a wheelgun

Be crazy to carry a semi-auto gun for personal protection unloaded.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:55:22 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:56:13 PM EST
some of those arguments actually make my head hurt
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:58:44 PM EST
Cocked.

Locked.

Period.


There is no other way.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:59:02 PM EST
I personally think you should carry either a gun or ammunition, but not both. Leave the other one in your glove compartment, desk drawer, or breadbox.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:59:40 PM EST
.45 cal with the hammer locked to the rear and the safety on.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:00:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
I personally think you should carry either a gun or ammunition, but not both. Leave the other one in your glove compartment, desk drawer, or breadbox.

it's the only way to avoid legal troubles!!!
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:00:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By 223-Buckaroo:
Cocked.

Locked.

Period.


There is no other way.



+1
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:01:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
I personally think you should carry either a gun or ammunition, but not both. Leave the other one in your glove compartment, desk drawer, or breadbox.

it's the only way to avoid legal troubles!!!



not if they're reloads
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:03:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By benbob:
You might as well carry a brick as leave the chamber empty.



I have worked with some guys that felt the same way until i did some 21ft knife drills with them. In EVERY case i as a fat redneck was able to be on top of them before they cleared leather. Let alone rack the slide.

+1 cocked and locked. If you can't trust the gun in condtion 1 you can't trust it period.

mike



Thats what I have been trying to tell the guy in the thread. I think I broke it down pretty well to him. I tried not to offend.

He is so worried about liability after the fact it's insane and his plan could get him killed.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:10:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By bigsapper:

Originally Posted By 223-Buckaroo:
Cocked.

Locked.

Period.


There is no other way.



+1



+2
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:12:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By ffsparky26:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By benbob:
You might as well carry a brick as leave the chamber empty.



I have worked with some guys that felt the same way until i did some 21ft knife drills with them. In EVERY case i as a fat redneck was able to be on top of them before they cleared leather. Let alone rack the slide.

+1 cocked and locked. If you can't trust the gun in condtion 1 you can't trust it period.

mike



Thats what I have been trying to tell the guy in the thread. I think I broke it down pretty well to him. I tried not to offend.

He is so worried about liability after the fact it's insane and his plan could get him killed.



If it comes to the point I have to pull, liability is the furthest thing in my mind.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:14:01 PM EST
The site is overrun with fucking loons and know-nothing trolls lately. "Well If I were allowed to carry a gun, this is what I'd do..." Who gives a hippie shit? If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:15:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By ffsparky26:
So do you carry your CCW weapon with the round chambered?




It is a MFing defensive firearm...


Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:17:49 PM EST
Mmmm - wheelgun. Unless you leave 1 shy, isn't there one in the "chamber" (sort of)?
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:18:08 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:20:33 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:24:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wraith:
If it comes to the point I have to pull, liability is the furthest thing in my mind.



May I be the first to say "better tried by twelve than carried by six?"
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:27:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:27:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By ffsparky26:
So do you carry your CCW weapon with the round chambered?




Yes.

You would think that this would be a stupid question.

You would think...
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:27:21 PM EST
Nope, own a real house, and no kids.


Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:
The site is overrun with fucking loons and know-nothing trolls lately. "Well If I were allowed to carry a gun, this is what I'd do..." Who gives a hippie shit? If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.



if your aunt is your uncle i see a jerry springer episode in your future. Do you also live in a doublewide or have a crack addicted teenager?

mike

Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:29:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By 223-Buckaroo:
Cocked.

Locked.

Period.


There is no other way.







+1
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:31:34 PM EST
Yes.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:32:08 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:33:08 PM EST
Cocked, Locked, Ready to rock. Absolutely no other way
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:33:52 PM EST
Carry a loaded weapon with a round IN the chamber.

Of course, you could always learn that HSLD TacticalIsraeliNinja Draw/Rack/Die technique.

During my LE career, I carried off-duty at all times. Now, in my civillian career, I carry and handgun and a rifle, loaded at all times.

Cocked, locked, ready to rock.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:33:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By benbob:
You might as well carry a brick as leave the chamber empty.



+1

I carry my 1911 cocked and locked.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:34:58 PM EST
If you do not carry a round chambered, than you are dumb.

Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:36:13 PM EST

If you don't have the guts to carry a loaded weapon, you sure as hell don't have the guts to empty it in someone's face.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:39:24 PM EST
Does any law enforcement carry without a loaded weapon?

I highly doubt it.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:42:02 PM EST
I carry my .45 chambered but not cocked.



It's a Para LDA
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:46:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 3:46:39 PM EST by AdrianUSP9]

Cocked, Locked, Ready to rock. Absolutely no other way


Amen.

I feel very safe with it - carrying without a round in the chamber is TACTICALLY UNSOUND. If you are worrying about ADs or, forgive the pun, "jumping the gun" to shoot somone, then you shouldn't be packing, need some training or confidence, or need to do something about your mode of carrying (like buy a holster).
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:46:41 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:55:14 PM EST
i have a glock and dont chamber mine..i can pull the slide back so quick it is like taking the safety off a normal handgun.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:55:58 PM EST
I've never carried without having a round chambered. It's kind of pointless to carry a $500+ hammer.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:56:57 PM EST
Wanna bet?


Originally Posted By xcell:
i have a glock and dont chamber mine..i can pull the slide back so quick it is like taking the safety off a normal handgun.

Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:57:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 3:57:49 PM EST by triburst1]

Originally Posted By xcell:
i have a glock and dont chamber mine..i can pull the slide back so quick it is like taking the safety off a normal handgun.



...and what if that other hand is trying to fight off an assailant, or your arm is injured in an attack.

Safeties do not require two hands, except for AKs.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:59:24 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:59:47 PM EST
thats is a good point never thought of that :)


Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By xcell:
i have a glock and dont chamber mine..i can pull the slide back so quick it is like taking the safety off a normal handgun.



...and what if that other hand is trying to fight off an assailant, or your arm is injured in an attack.

Safeties do not require two hands, except for AKs.

Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:08:48 PM EST
I carry condition 1 for 99.99% of the time.

Used to be I would carry condition 3 sometimes if I was traveling long highway miles with no planned stops, but I started carrying condition 1 almost always in order to simplify my gun handling routine.

The other .01%? Well, once in a great while I drive through some not so nice parts of Indy. Then I carry condition 0.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:09:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 4:10:31 PM EST by ArmorerKrug]
Most state laws regarding use of lethal force for defence of self and or others stipulates terms in which you are authorized. One term found almost conclusively in all is the term IMMINENT If you have time to load your gun a prosecutor will crucify you.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:14:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By Riotgun:
I carry condition 1 for 99.99% of the time.

Used to be I would carry condition 3 sometimes if I was traveling long highway miles with no planned stops, but I started carrying condition 1 almost always in order to simplify my gun handling routine.

The other .01%? Well, once in a great while I drive through some not so nice parts of Indy. Then I carry condition 0.

+1
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:14:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:21:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sin_Bin:
.45 cal with the hammer locked to the rear and the safety on.



Ditto.

Dave S.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:34:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 4:41:46 PM EST by GaryM]
Full magazine, round in chamber, safety off, hammer down.
My pistol is a DA/SA, all I have to do is draw and pull the trigger DA for the first shot, after that, well you know how a damn pistol works.

ETA;
For those who carry with no round chambered do anyone of y'all ever practice the backpocket (or belt or pantstop) method of charging an auto pistol? I used to do it regularly but I tore up too many belts/pants.

Just in case this method is where you draw the pistol and immediately press the rear sight hard against your butt then shove down with the pistol. The rear sight will snag either your belt. pocket or pants top and hold the slide as you push downward on the frame. When the slide gets all the way back it will pop loose, sometimes tearing out your pocket or scratching up your belt but still, it does work and is very fast.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:36:46 PM EST
If you feel that way then why even have the mag in the gun, keep the mag in you pocket and load it when you need to load it.


Personally, I always carry in condition 1. The less steps you have to take to defend yourself in a high adrenaline situation, and with a split second reation time the less chance you have of making a mistake.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:40:46 PM EST
"Oh wait a minute BG , while I rack my slide. There, ok , now I'm ready. You can attack me now." Yeah, that'll work. (shaking head continues)
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:44:27 PM EST
Kimber Ultra CDP...Condition One...Cocked and Locked...ALWAYS!!!
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:47:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 4:48:29 PM EST by mjohn3006]
Beretta 9000s in 40S&W. It is a DAO. Yes, chamber loaded, hammer down(hammer won't lock back, its DAO)

It has no trigger saftey, but it does have a fireing pin saftey, the hammer cannot be hit by anything, and even if the hammer did get hit, the hammer cannot even touch the fireing pin without the trigger being pulled all the way back.

So yes, of course its loaded.
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