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Posted: 5/19/2005 10:56:59 AM EST
I just came back from seeing this movie.
First of all, it is not the same as the previous five!
Sure the special effects were great but thats it.
This movie was very dark, Not like the other five
that was filled with alot of relief humor witch made
them alot of fun.
This movie was made with a apparent political agenda!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:57:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By bigmark300:
I just came back from seeing this movie.
First of all, it is not the same as the previous five!
Sure the special effects were great but thats it.
This movie was very dark, Not like the other five
that was filled with alot of relief humor witch made
them alot of fun.
This movie was made with a apparent political agenda!



Elaborate, please.

<--wasn't planning on seeing it, but is curious....
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:59:18 AM EST
The Political agenda is VERY CLEAR!!!


Banning Bread is the goal of Satanic Hollywood.

Proof HERE
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:00:32 AM EST
You know all this political agenda in Star Wars..


It's a movie....if people want to turn it into something, then let them...but it's still just a movie.


This reminds me of the people who see the virgin Mary on a piece of toast.....you can make yourself believe anything you want if you try hard enough.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:01:51 AM EST
he is referring to the bushisms contained in the film. Such as

Padme -'this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause'.

Obi Wan - [throwing down his blaster] "so uncivilized". Meaning guns are bad.

Annakin- if you are not with me, then you are my enemy [sound familiar?]
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:01:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By Cableman:
You know all this political agenda in Star Wars..


It's a movie....if people want to turn it into something, then let them...but it's still just a movie.


This reminds me of the people who see the virgin Mary on a piece of toast.....you can make yourself believe anything you want if you try hard enough.





Coincidence? Mary on a piece of toast? I think not, God loves Bread, it is all over the Bible!!!!


Bread and religion are closely knit, thats why there is no bread in Star Wars.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:02:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By bigmark300:
This movie was made with a apparent political agenda!



I dissagree. The movie fit the story that started 20+ years ago. I have seen several stories trying to draw parallels between the movie and current politics but I have avoided every one.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:02:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 11:04:17 AM EST by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By Cableman:
You know all this political agenda in Star Wars..


It's a movie....if people want to turn it into something, then let them...but it's still just a movie.


This reminds me of the people who see the virgin Mary on a piece of toast.....you can make yourself believe anything you want if you try hard enough.



Yea right

If it just a movie explain why MoveOn.org is using it as a vehicle for political attacks.

Lucas has admitted as much.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:05:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By KangarooAR-15A3:

Originally Posted By Cableman:
You know all this political agenda in Star Wars..


It's a movie....if people want to turn it into something, then let them...but it's still just a movie.


This reminds me of the people who see the virgin Mary on a piece of toast.....you can make yourself believe anything you want if you try hard enough.





Coincidence? Mary on a piece of toast? I think not, God loves Bread, it is all over the Bible!!!!


Bread and religion are closely knit, thats why there is no bread in Star Wars.



Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:07:09 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:08:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By KangarooAR-15A3:
The Political agenda is VERY CLEAR!!!


Banning Bread is the goal of Satanic Hollywood.

Proof HERE



Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:08:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Stormtrooper:
he is referring to the bushisms contained in the film. Such as

Padme -'this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause'.

Obi Wan - [throwing down his blaster] "so uncivilized". Meaning guns are bad.
Annakin- if you are not with me, then you are my enemy [sound familiar?]



Obi Wan said things of the same effect in ANH. Doesn't mean nothin'
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:08:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By Cableman:
You know all this political agenda in Star Wars..


It's a movie....if people want to turn it into something, then let them...but it's still just a movie.


This reminds me of the people who see the virgin Mary on a piece of toast.....you can make yourself believe anything you want if you try hard enough.



It was a cheese sammich.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:10:33 AM EST
Just a movie? What was 'Bowling for Columbine?'

Movies can have a huge effect on the political landscape. Those who think otherswise are a little out of touch.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:11:22 AM EST

I just love hearing how a scifi movie has a political agenda!

Did bigfoot tell you this?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:12:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By THR-Thumper:
Just a movie? What was 'Bowling for Columbine?'

Movies can have a huge effect on the political landscape. Those who think otherswise are a little out of touch.





Yes, Bowling for Columbine was a Political statement, but it was intended to be from the start.


I don't think when George Lucas made Star Wars in the 70's that he was trying to make a political statement....he was trying to make a good movie.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:15:25 AM EST
It was so disappointing that you needed a whole new thread? Other than the 5 others currently running on the subject??

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:17:07 AM EST
There MAY be another message-

When the population lives in fear they give TOO much power to the government in the name of safety, and in the end they destroy their own liberty and are ruled by fear.


Think about it!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:22:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 11:26:05 AM EST by Cape_hunter]

Originally Posted By THR-Thumper:
Just a movie? What was 'Bowling for Columbine?'

Movies can have a huge effect on the political landscape. Those who think otherswise are a little out of touch.



Out of touch? Now thats funny!
Movies can effect the the political landscape, but suggesting a scifi film is doing it, is just flat out hillarious!

Lets look at the examples given:

Padme -'this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause'.
So this has some magical connection to what? It did happen to fit hte scene very well. Remember its a SCIFI MOVIE.

Obi Wan - [throwing down his blaster] "so uncivilized". Meaning guns are bad.
Compared to a light saber, yes. I read it as "lame when compared to a light saber!". Again, SCIFI MOVIE.

Annakin- if you are not with me, then you are my enemy [sound familiar?]
Yes it does. But so did the wookie swinging on a vine and sounding like tarzan.
OH NO! Must be plot to over throw the jungle men govt!



The fact is I can go through just about any movie find things that relate to everyday life. But remember its more about what you want to find then what is actually there!
CH
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:30:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Stormtrooper:
he is referring to the bushisms contained in the film. Such as

Padme -'this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause'.

Obi Wan - [throwing down his blaster] "so uncivilized". Meaning guns are bad.

Annakin- if you are not with me, then you are my enemy [sound familiar?]





That is exactly how the liberals are trying to do it................
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:34:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 11:45:31 AM EST by Col__Kurtz]
Some of you guys think that Lucas wrote these movies word for word back the 70's. Lucas has said that he wrote the backstory before any of the movies came out. Ok, but... What book is translated word for word into a movie? (Lord of the Rings- the glaringly obvious example of this)

Movies, TV shows, and commercials are all, very subtly and quietly, putting out political, racial, and social ideas, which when we watch them, consider them to be the norm. (Black people dominating white people in social interactions, homosexual behavior portraid as cute and funny, liberal *values* better than conservative values)

Anways, I'm not too sure the new star wars movies, seeing as how they are huge money making ventures, and with an audience of millions, would'nt have any messages.

A book is very, very different than a screenplay. The screenplay wasn't written in the 70's, only the backstory. And that was probably changed too, to fit the times and make the movie more children friendly(to make more $ of course).
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:35:14 AM EST
i swear.....all the Star Wars nerds crack me up......the last two movies SUCKED...what made any of yall think this one was gonna be different? i didnt see the last two in theatres...and i'll wait for this one to come out on DVD also, just like the other ones....that way i dont have to fight the masses of idiots in costumes waving around plastic swords and making wookie sounds. these movies get WAAAAY too much hype........like you said..the only thing worth a shit in em is the special effects. w/ the making of these last 3 movies.......a classic trilogy was taken...and butchered.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:36:35 AM EST
I sense the Liberal darkside
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:36:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By bigmark300:
This movie was made with a apparent political agenda!



sounds like a bunch of Republicans have a guilty concious or something...
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:38:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 11:39:11 AM EST by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By THR-Thumper:
Just a movie? What was 'Bowling for Columbine?'

Movies can have a huge effect on the political landscape. Those who think otherswise are a little out of touch.



Out of touch? Now thats funny!
Movies can effect the the political landscape, but suggesting a scifi film is doing it, is just flat out hillarious!

Lets look at the examples given:

Padme -'this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause'.
So this has some magical connection to what? It did happen to fit hte scene very well. Remember its a SCIFI MOVIE.

Obi Wan - [throwing down his blaster] "so uncivilized". Meaning guns are bad.
Compared to a light saber, yes. I read it as "lame when compared to a light saber!". Again, SCIFI MOVIE.

Annakin- if you are not with me, then you are my enemy [sound familiar?]
Yes it does. But so did the wookie swinging on a vine and sounding like tarzan.
OH NO! Must be plot to over throw the jungle men govt!



The fact is I can go through just about any movie find things that relate to everyday life. But remember its more about what you want to find then what is actually there!
CH



Fact…

Lucas has encourage the view this movie makes anti-Bush statements, no matter when he SAYS he wrote the script… and has done nothing to discourage the Lefts use of the movie for political attack.

Once again… MoveOn.org is linking their political attacks to this movie… Lucas is silent on this and thereby gives approval.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:38:43 AM EST
No money for Hollywood from me.

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:38:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By theliberating1:

Originally Posted By bigmark300:
This movie was made with a apparent political agenda!



sounds like a bunch of Republicans have a guilty concious or something...



Sounds like the is ever vigilant.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:41:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By theliberating1:

Originally Posted By bigmark300:
This movie was made with a apparent political agenda!



sounds like a bunch of Republicans have a guilty concious or something...



Sounds like the is ever vigilant.



Or a toilet flushed somewhere.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:56:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 11:56:41 AM EST by Cape_hunter]

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Fact…

Lucas has encourage the view this movie makes anti-Bush statements, no matter when he SAYS he wrote the script… and has done nothing to discourage the Lefts use of the movie for political attack.

Once again… MoveOn.org is linking their political attacks to this movie… Lucas is silent on this and thereby gives approval.



Fact?
OK, Links? reference? Proof? Please correct me.

Lucas not speking out means what? SO if I dont speak out against somthing I automatically approve it? That is some funny ass shit!

CH
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:06:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 12:07:03 PM EST by green-grizzly]
CNN reports:

''In terms of evil, one of the original concepts was how does a democracy turn itself into a dictatorship,'' Lucas told a news conference at Cannes, where his final episode had its world premiere. ''The parallels between what we did in Vietnam and what we're doing in Iraq now are unbelievable. ''On the personal level it was how does a good person turn into a bad person, and part of the observation of that is that most bad people think they are good people, they are doing it for the right reasons,'' he added.

So Lucas is another liberal Hollywood nitwit, just like Harrison Ford. Is anyone really surprised?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:08:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 12:11:40 PM EST by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Fact…

Lucas has encourage the view this movie makes anti-Bush statements, no matter when he SAYS he wrote the script… and has done nothing to discourage the Lefts use of the movie for political attack.

Once again… MoveOn.org is linking their political attacks to this movie… Lucas is silent on this and thereby gives approval.



Fact?
OK, Links? reference? Proof? Please correct me.

Lucas not speking out means what? SO if I dont speak out against somthing I automatically approve it? That is some funny ass shit!

CH



Where have you been the last month?

And yes if someone uses your work and you do not speak out that IS approval.

Here some of it is… but I am sure you will find a way to excuse it.

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1403944/posts


Lucas jabs at 'Bush's empire'

Monday, May 16, 2005 at 07:29 JST

CANNES — The last episode of the seminal sci-fi saga "Star Wars" screened at the Cannes film festival Sunday, completing a six-part series that remains a major part of popular culture — and delivering a galactic jab to U.S. President George W Bush.

"Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith" was seen ahead of a celebrity-laden evening screening to be attended by its creator and director, George Lucas, and its cast, including Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensen.

Reaction at advance screenings was effusive, with festival-goers, critics and journalists at Cannes applauding at the moment the infamous Darth Vader came into being.

But there were also murmurs at the parallels being drawn between Bush's administration and the birth of the space opera's evil Empire.

Baddies' dialogue about bloodshed and despicable acts being needed to bring "peace and stability" to the movie's universe, mainly through a fabricated war, set the scene.

And then came the zinger, with the protagonist, Anakin Skywalker, saying just before becoming Darth Vader: "You are either with me — or you are my enemy."

To the Cannes audience, often sympathetic to anti-Bush messages in cinema as last year's triumph here of Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" attested, that immediately recalled Bush's 2001 ultimatum, "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror."

Lucas, speaking to reporters, emphasised that the original "Star Wars" was written at the end of the Vietnam war, when Richard Nixon was U.S. president, but that the issue being explored was still very much alive today.

"The issue was, how does a democracy turn itself into a dictatorship?" he said.

"When I wrote it, Iraq (the U.S.-led war) didn't exist... but the parallels of what we did in Vietnam and Iraq are unbelievable."

He acknowledged an uncomfortable feeling that the United States was in danger of losing its democratic ideals, like in the movie.

"I didn't think it was going to get this close. I hope this doesn't come true in our country."


Although he didn't mention Bush by name, Lucas took what sounded like another dig while explaining the transformation of the once-good Anakin Skywalker to the very bad Darth Vader.

"Most bad people think they're good people,"
he said.


The political message, though, was for the most part subsumed by the action and heroics the series — set "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" — is known for.

And for fans hungry for a last look at "Star Wars" elevated above the disappointing two other films that preceded "Sith," it was satisfying closure.

"Whatever one thought of the previous two installments, this dynamic picture irons out most of the problems, and emerges as the best in the overall series since 'The Empire Strikes Back,'" the Hollywood trade magazine Variety said.

The buzz meant the movie was the hottest ticket at Cannes this year. It also signalled the end of a cinematic era for a generation of filmgoers.

"Revenge of the Sith" is the last of three prequels to the landmark trilogy that burst onto the screens in 1977, 1980 and 1983.

It is in fact the middle episode of the epic story arc, explaining the events that led young Luke Skywalker to battle Darth Vader in order to save Princess Leia, before going on to vanquish the Empire.

Its success could be measured in the claps and smiles in the theatre, which were light years away from the tepid response engendered by the first two prequels, released in 1999 and 2002, widely panned for their boring exposition and wooden dialogue. (Wire reports)


Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:20:27 PM EST
Um...if you're getting (or giving for that matter) your political views from Darth Vader and Yoda you have other issues.

Honestly, I'm pretty sure that considering Lucas' involvement in this movie, the political statements will be the least of its problems.

Are we not comfortable enough with our own views that a CGI character, or a muppet, is really that threatening? No. It's a crime what he's done to Star Wars anyway, so just add this to that list.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:34:55 PM EST
From the very beginning, the Empire has been tied to Nazi Germany. Isnt that how Hitler came to power? By the people voting to give him control?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:37:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 12:37:42 PM EST by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By mcantu:
From the very beginning, the Empire has been tied to Nazi Germany. Isnt that how Hitler came to power? By the people voting to give him control?



Not according to Lucas:


Lucas, speaking to reporters, emphasised that the original "Star Wars" was written at the end of the Vietnam war, when Richard Nixon was U.S. president
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:43:07 PM EST
huh? i wasnt talking about when it was written. The way the Empire is presented in the 1st movies...the uniforms, they all had accents, the all powerful Empire/Reich.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:03:09 PM EST
There's no consistency.

In the first 3 movies the whole point is there's a VERY stark contrast between good and evil.

Lucas is NOW arguing there's shades of grey. :P That's what you get when you subvert the quality of a movie to your personal urges to be self-righteous.

Whatever. I rely on Lucas to interpret his movies in a manner that will make them seem as some part of a grandoise epic. The simple fact that he keeps going back and making the original movies WORSE (he didn't even direct V or VI...thank goodness) so they match up says it all.

Heck, he thinks that I and II were received poorly because, and this is a quote somewhere I can dig up, people who saw the originals are now in control of the media and steered opinion that way.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 2:59:01 PM EST
damn people stop reading to much into shit and sit back and enoy the movie.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:37:51 PM EST
anyone who saw this movie should have picked up LIFE on their way home.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 4:01:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 4:03:34 PM EST by Cape_hunter]

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Although he didn't mention Bush by name, Lucas took what sounded like another dig while explaining the transformation of the once-good Anakin Skywalker to the very bad Darth Vader



That is the key right there. JUst like the average liberal mindset to stretch a comment as far as you can. Sounded like means left up to ones interpretation. When doing so there is no facts, there is no basis, just your take on the issue. My take is just as it reads, it sounded like. Does not mean it is.

Seaman sounds like what comes out of my dick, but its not.

CH
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 4:08:36 PM EST
If I think about it hard enough, I could draw parallels of the Bush adminstration to Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory movie.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 4:12:58 PM EST
wow sounds like a real stretch to me. So something he wrote durring vietnam is mean to insult bush? Cant say i see the connection. This was all written before Iraq, back when people liked bush.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 4:24:59 PM EST
I thought Lucas stole the story from a writer in the 60's? Wasn't there a big frickest about the original Star Wars was lifted wholesale?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 4:26:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Stormtrooper:
he is referring to the bushisms contained in the film. Such as

Padme -'this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause'.

Obi Wan - [throwing down his blaster] "so uncivilized". Meaning guns are bad.

Annakin- if you are not with me, then you are my enemy [sound familiar?]




Ben hands Luke the saber.

LUKE: What is it?

BEN: Your fathers lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not
as clumsy or as random as a blaster.


Luke pushes a button on the handle. A long beam shoots out
about four feet and flickers there. The light plays across the
ceiling.

BEN: An elegant weapon for a more civilized time. For over a thousand
generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice
in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before the Empire.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 4:36:16 PM EST
The "Star Wars" movies are obviously filled with political symbolism.

Remember the scene in "Return of the Jedi" where Luke looks at Darth Vader when he's talking to him? That means that COMMUNISM SUCKS!

hinking.gifAnd the scene where Darth Vader cut off Luke's hand? That's allegorical for how gas prices are high.

The Ewoks represent how the Viet Cong were so hairy and cute and lived in tree houses.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 4:45:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By DonkeyKongSucked:
The "Star Wars" movies are obviously filled with political symbolism.

Remember the scene in "Return of the Jedi" where Luke looks at Darth Vader when he's talking to him? That means that COMMUNISM SUCKS!

hinking.gifAnd the scene where Darth Vader cut off Luke's hand? That's allegorical for how gas prices are high.

The Ewoks represent how the Viet Cong were so hairy and cute and lived in tree houses.hr


Yes, I reamember. Luke found out what his fater was about and hated him for it. Don't forget the , "It's a trap Jap" alien and how Luke kissing his sister was a direct reference to the Patty Hurst kidnaping.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 4:52:15 PM EST
C-3P0 being gay was a direct reference to the Cuban Missle Crisis. I cant believe no one GOT that.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 4:55:01 PM EST
It was a movie...........and a damn good one at that!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:36:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ramjet:
If I think about it hard enough, I could draw parallels of the Bush adminstration to Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory movie.




Put your money where your mouth is, Do it!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:41:11 PM EST
Bush isn't as smart as Palpatine.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 8:06:44 PM EST
ROTS = Animal Farm for the Left...
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 7:56:43 AM EST
Hasn't anyone even notice that GL changed the name of the bad guys from the Empire to the Republic!
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