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Posted: 1/26/2002 3:53:46 AM EDT
[image]http://a112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/20020126/www.wired.com/news/images/full/chip03_f.jpg[/image] [url]http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,50004,00.html[/url] The Verisign implant is the size of the point of a typical ball point pen
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 4:31:07 AM EDT
ugh... it is creepy to finally see it To quote a favorite rap group of mine... Cypress Hill... "I ain't goin out like that... aint goin out like that..."
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 4:51:32 AM EDT
Did I hear someone say the future looked bright? Not. Coming soon to a body near you. [IMG]http://www.minorannoyance.net/~spin/Smilies/contrib/aahmed/sad.gif[/IMG]
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 5:02:20 AM EDT
Sounds like the mark of the beast or something similar.
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 5:04:02 AM EDT
Not quite the 'mark of the beast', but we're getting damn close! 'Except the Lord keepeth a city, the watchman waketh but in vain.' Eric The(Scriptural)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 5:06:46 AM EDT
They wont be sticking that in MY butt. Kharn
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 5:12:01 AM EDT
Don't worry, Kharn, unless they stick in your wrist or forehead, you'll be o.k. Eric The(Literal)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 7:33:17 AM EDT
There go those evil medical researchers again! Whatever you do, don't let them put one of [b]these[/b] into your body... heaven forbid!! [img]http://www.medfacts.com/gifs/hip1a.gif[/img] Or, gasp, one of [b]THESE[/b] abominations!! [img]http://www.heartpioneers.com/images/abiocor/abiocor.jpg[/img] OK, so it's a little different, but still...
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 9:19:49 AM EDT
It's [i]way[/i] different, [b]DScott[/b]... [b]9divdoc[/b], it looks like your image is actually for the short-range non-GPS implantable transponder —  [i]VeriChip is similar to the devices that have been implanted in millions of pets in the United States in recent years, which allow animal shelters to identify the pets and contact their owners. The chip, which is slightly larger than a grain of rice and transmits two to three sentences of data, can be read by a scanner up to four feet away. It is injected into the subject's forearm or shoulder under local anesthesia during an outpatient procedure and leaves no mark, Bolton said.[/i] The GPS-equipped transponder is still quite a bit bigger, and is not implantable: [i]The second product, Digital Angel, which combines a global satellite positioning system and monitoring service, was designed with people who stray in mind, such as parolees or Alzheimer's patients. [b]The system combines a watch and a device the size of a pack of cigarettes that clips onto a waist band or a belt like a pager.[/b][/i] Only a matter of time before they shrink it down enough to be implantable, though.
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 9:34:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2002 9:40:52 AM EDT by DScott]
My point is that technology is wonderful, as a rule, and we all benefit from it, sometimes in very important ways. The only difference here is in application. Every application mentioned for these devices are [i]voluntary[/i], and will remain so for the foreseeable future. I think we are SO far away from what the NWO/tinfoil crowd fears that I will never see these things become [i]mandatory[/i] in my lifetime. Obviously, others do not. Just because we *can* do something does not mean we will.
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 10:26:11 AM EDT
DScott... the human race has managed to use nearly every single technology ever invented for the purpose of control, war, and destruction. No... I will go so far as to say what has driven most technology innovation is control, war, and destruction. Now why in the hell am I supposed to believe that the Digital Angel will be any different?
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 10:36:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover: DScott... the human race has managed to use nearly every single technology ever invented for the purpose of control, war, and destruction. No... I will go so far as to say what has driven most technology innovation is control, war, and destruction. Now why in the hell am I supposed to believe that the Digital Angel will be any different?
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A little simplistic, don't you think? What technology are you using now, and on the whole, do you think it's been used primarily for "control, war, and destruction"? Even we use the arguement that guns (outright weapons of destruction) serve constructive purposes. come to think about it, anti-gunners can and do make your arguement about our favorite toys... Yes, people fight with each other- always have and always will. No surprises there, and they will use all means available. I just don't buy the idea that the main agenda of some "shadow government/evil empire" is to enslave the people. One must believe that or something like that, if you really think that is the purpose of this cuurent technology.
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 10:50:10 AM EDT
I dont think it is a simplistic concept when you consider that even our computers were brought about as a mechanism to calculate artillery trajectory faster than the enemy. To clarify my original point against your good use vs. evil use assertion, all technology has been directly or indirectly used for evil at some juncture. Of course things can be used to serve for constructive purposes but they have always been used for evil as well. And I am saying that the Digital Angel is not any different in that respect. Today you hear of its wonders for kidnapping victims. Someday soon, you will hear some fruitcake politician want to implant these in felons. Just like it was proposed for the RF chip currently used in veterinary practice.
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 11:13:04 AM EDT
Right- what was once used for artillery calculations now brings us porn and AR15... thanks for the hotties, BTW [:)] We agree that anything can be used for good or evil, but what determines which uses will actually be implemented? It seems to boil down to what you expect from others... I don't think these technologies will be used in that way, maybe you do. Certainly they COULD be, but that doesn't mean they will be. I just don't buy it. Many who do seem to believe the worst because it looks like what they already believe, i.e., "mark of the beast" stuff. So, yes these things CAN be used for evil, and some may want to. Agreed. But there are too many people to object for it to happen, IMO.
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 11:18:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott: Right- what was once used for artillery calculations now brings us porn and AR15... thanks for the hotties, BTW [:)] We agree that anything can be used for good or evil, but what determines which uses will actually be implemented? It seems to boil down to what you expect from others... I don't think these technologies will be used in that way, maybe you do. Certainly they COULD be, but that doesn't mean they will be. I just don't buy it. Many who do seem to believe the worst because it looks like what they already believe, i.e., "mark of the beast" stuff. So, yes these things CAN be used for evil, and some may want to. Agreed. But there are too many people to object for it to happen, IMO.
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I got lots of those hotties. I agree with you that it is what we have come to expect from our fellow man. For myself, I have learned to prepare for the worst and then hope for the best. That way I am usually not disappointed. People have this uncanny ability to show their worst on a regular basis.
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 11:21:27 AM EDT
Mmmmm technology!
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 11:25:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover: I got lots of those hotties. I agree with you that it is what we have come to expect from our fellow man. For myself, I have learned to prepare for the worst and then hope for the best. That way I am usually not disappointed. People have this uncanny ability to show their worst on a regular basis.
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Do you do them yourself? The pics, I mean [;)] I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I would argue that despite the *worst* that people can do, we have also witnessed the *best* people can do, and it's pretty awesome at times. But, it's true, you can never go wrong under-estimating people, especially the American public. More pics!!
Link Posted: 1/26/2002 11:33:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott:
Originally Posted By BenDover: I got lots of those hotties. I agree with you that it is what we have come to expect from our fellow man. For myself, I have learned to prepare for the worst and then hope for the best. That way I am usually not disappointed. People have this uncanny ability to show their worst on a regular basis.
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Do you do them yourself? The pics, I mean [;)] I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I would argue that despite the *worst* that people can do, we have also witnessed the *best* people can do, and it's pretty awesome at times. But, it's true, you can never go wrong under-estimating people, especially the American public. More pics!!
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No I just collect what I think to be the 'best of the web'. I do have a bunch of amateur collection I have done of friends in the past but alas, now I am married. I agree we have seen people's best, but it seems the bad is still running way out ahead and will continue to do so into the future. Thus my somewhat fatalist view of things like Digital Angel.
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 11:33:28 AM EDT
At CES I saw a company displaying the DA wristband GPS locators that were being marketed "for da chilrun". Seemed to be a big interest by the retailers in their products too.
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 12:25:01 PM EDT
Hey [b]Skibane[b] thanks for the updated info After all it is just a device...not evil nor good on its own..is a tool..like a handgun for example or a #3 Wood.... If my kid were going into Somalia or Malaysia tomorrow with a recon group or was a pilot and they could inject a device to locate him if God forbid need be..I would defineatly incourage my son to get it done.. however if the PTB decided we all must do this and worship what the bible calls the "image of the beast" then God willing I will say no..and accept the consequences of that action...for then the act becomes evil not the device itself...
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 2:37:32 PM EDT
well, ther seems to be some support for this abomonation. let me ask this, who volunteers to be the first to take this thing?? sure as hell not me........ i can see whare this thing it going, and i want no part of it. when they start requireing it for food, gas, guns and ammo, etc. will you take it then? i sure won't, ill be fighting tooth and nail by then. i guggest you all do as well.
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 2:48:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 9divdoc: ... the [i]PTB[/i] ...
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Who are the [i]PTB[/i]??
Originally Posted By the_survivalist: ... when [i]they[/i] start requireing it...
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Who are [i]they[/i]?
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 2:53:46 PM EDT
I think PTB means the 'powers that be.' Anyway, I believe that you don't need to worry about the 'mark of the beast' being received accidentally. It is obvious from Revelation that those who accept the MOTB are those that actively desire to be identified with the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet. Does any RKI think differently? Let us know then, your scriptural support for that position! Eric The(Redeemed)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 3:10:37 PM EDT
Science & Technology. Science & Technology be BAD. Stand by: Probably about time for the sun to begin rotating around the earth. We could start to detechnology ourselves by dumping these evil computers. Ban dancing. etc. When technology (or anything else) is forced on me then I'll begin to worry. I truly love to watch and listen to the "evil TV show" drivel that's corrupting our children. I'm technologically advanced. My TV has both a channel changer and an on-off button. [X]
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 3:33:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/27/2002 3:35:03 PM EDT by the_survivalist]
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: I think PTB means the 'powers that be.' Eric The(Redeemed)Hun[>]:)]
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and "they" are the PTB edited for dyslexia.
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 4:13:48 PM EDT
Follow up: Exactly who, then, is going to force this agenda on us?
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 4:35:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By the_survivalist: well, there seems to be some support for this abomination. let me ask this, who volunteers to be the first to take this thing?? sure as hell not me........ I can see hare this thing it going, and I want no part of it. when they start requiring it for food, gas, guns and ammo, etc. will you take it then? I sure won't, ill be fighting tooth and nail by then. I suggest you all do as well.
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the_survivalist, what if no one is 'forced' to use these things - strictly voluntary. I can see some good uses for the "Digital Angel." Right now I believe there are two missionaries that have been kidnapped in the Philippines. If they had one of these devices finding them would be a lot easier. Might save their lives and the lives of our service people looking for them. Nothing must be forced but if voluntary I do see some good.
Link Posted: 1/27/2002 11:28:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott: ...But there are too many people to object for it to happen, IMO.
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Absolutely. And there are too many people in this country to allow any infringements of the 2nd Amendment.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 6:00:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By prk:
Originally Posted By DScott: ...But there are too many people to object for it to happen, IMO.
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Absolutely. And there are too many people in this country to allow any infringements of the 2nd Amendment.
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So you think these little dohickies will become mandatory [i]when[/i]?
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 4:20:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2002 4:21:34 PM EDT by BenDover]
Originally Posted By DScott:
Originally Posted By prk:
Originally Posted By DScott: ...But there are too many people to object for it to happen, IMO.
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Absolutely. And there are too many people in this country to allow any infringements of the 2nd Amendment.
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So you think these little dohickies will become mandatory [i]when[/i]?
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As soon as Feinswine hears about it and thinks it is a good idea to implant misdemeanor convicts. Thank your lucky stars this wasnt developed during the Klinton administration or you would already be carrying one.
Link Posted: 1/28/2002 5:04:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2002 5:08:29 PM EDT by DScott]
If they just combined them with a penile implant, you'd have guys lining up for blocks for 'em! Or make them out of silicone, and women could, well, you know... I'm sure we'll all be a little bit surprised when these become widely available and see just how many would volunteer for them. Remember, we're working hard to underestimate the American public... [;)]
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