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Posted: 6/9/2003 1:24:58 PM EDT
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Isn't mil-dot simply one form of rangefinding reticle?
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Posted: 6/9/2003 1:26:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Isn't mil-dot simply one form of rangefinding reticle? Yup. I believe a rangefinding scope gives you a readout of the range, and mil-dot you have to calculate it. (Above advice is not to be taken as 100% true and may simply be conjecture) |
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Posted: 6/9/2003 1:28:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Isn't mil-dot simply one form of rangefinding reticle? Yup. I believe a rangefinding scope gives you a readout of the range, and mil-dot you have to calculate it. (Above advice is not to be taken as 100% true and may simply be conjecture) |
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Posted: 6/9/2003 2:57:27 PM EDT
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Many reticle designs allow for range estimation. The Mil-Dot system is simply one of these, but there are many others. ACOG scope reticles have some range-estimation capabilities, as do scopes such as the Soviet PSO-1, which looks like this:
[img]www.nightvisionweb.com/images/posp_4x24_ret_1000.gif[/img] -Troy |
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Posted: 6/9/2003 3:20:38 PM EDT
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The mil-dot system is really best used as a holdover and windage sighting tool at a known or well estimated range.
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Posted: 6/9/2003 3:37:08 PM EDT
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I am not going to stoop to mere ad hominems, like many who do here I will help out.
Mildots require some math be performed to determine target distance: target height in yards x 1000/number of mildots= range in yards The rangefinding reticles, only require the target (with a known height) be placed within the scale of the reticle to determine distance. Although this system is easier to use, the drawback is that the scale is calibrated to a specific target height (most likely 2 yards/6 feet). In both cases you must know the bullet drop at the given range for the up/down adjustment, that is if the elevation knob doesn't have bullet drop compensation setting calibrated to your specific load. |
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Posted: 6/9/2003 5:55:30 PM EDT
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Ok Imbroglio, enlighten me. Using your formula a target six feet in height, that can be covered by one mil-dot, is two thousand yards away. Also, what are the horizontal mil-dots for?
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Posted: 6/9/2003 7:55:35 PM EDT
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Ok, 1 mil is the distance from the center of 1 dot to another dot. (I call that 1 mildot). For a 6 foot target (2 yards) to be 2,000 yards away it would fit 1 mil.
The horizontal dots are used for the same thing when measuring horizontal targets. The dots themselves can also be used as aiming points in substitution of cranking the elevation/windage knobs. A mil dot scope is much easier to use if you have a Mildot Master. |
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Posted: 6/10/2003 1:10:18 AM EDT
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Screw that precision crap. Just nuke 'em.
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Posted: 6/10/2003 3:15:32 AM EDT
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I was playing with that long range shooting sim at [url]www.shooterready.com[/url] and on their home page there is a link to a tutorial on the mil dot system.
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Posted: 6/10/2003 6:36:21 AM EDT
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Does any optics maker build a good scope with a laser-rangefinder built right in?
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Posted: 6/10/2003 6:51:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: The dots themselves can also be used as aiming points in substitution of cranking the elevation/windage knobs. I believe the most accurate way to utilize mildots is to actually use your come-ups to adjust the crosshairs based on you calculated estimation of distance. You can use the horizontal mildots to estimate winddrift at the given estimated range. You have to know what a 5mph or 10mph wind will do to your projectile at the estimated distance. Everything else sounds right....and yes I believe a Mildot Master would make it easier.[:D] |
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Posted: 6/10/2003 7:04:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Does any optics maker build a good scope with a laser-rangefinder built right in? [url=www.gunaccessories.com/Swarovski/LaserRangefindingScope/index.asp]yes someone does[/url] |
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Posted: 6/10/2003 8:01:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Does any optics maker build a good scope with a laser-rangefinder built right in? [url=www.gunaccessories.com/Swarovski/LaserRangefindingScope/index.asp]yes someone does[/url] DoH! $4000?!? I could duct-tape a Yardage Pro 1000 to a Leupold for under a grand! |
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Posted: 6/10/2003 8:03:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The dots themselves can also be used as aiming points in substitution of cranking the elevation/windage knobs. I believe the most accurate way to utilize mildots is to actually use your come-ups to adjust the crosshairs based on you calculated estimation of distance. You can use the horizontal mildots to estimate winddrift at the given estimated range. You have to know what a 5mph or 10mph wind will do to your projectile at the estimated distance. Everything else sounds right....and yes I believe a Mildot Master would make it easier.[:D] It would be easier to do what Imbrog is talking about if they made a [b]grid[/b] scope. It is too hard to estimate 3 mildots down, and 2.5 mildots to the left, because you are off axis. |
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Posted: 6/10/2003 2:07:53 PM EDT
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Larry, check out this link for a good explination of the mildot reticle. The key to using the mildot is knowing the size (either height or length) of the target. If you know the size it is pretty simple to figure the distance.
[url]http://www.swfa.com/mildot/index.html[/url] If you go with the mildot check out the Mildot Master. It really make the mildot a breeze to use and gives you holdover or moa adjustment info as well as having slope compensating ability. [url]www.mildotmaster.com[/url] Getting a new scope for that AR10? Check out the Springfield Armory Gov't Gen 2 or 3. Might as well have a scope and rifle from the same hometown. I bought the Gen 3 for my AR10 and liked it so well I put it on the 50. I shoot up to 1200yds with the Springfield scope and Mildot Master with great success. |
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Posted: 6/10/2003 3:14:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Does any optics maker build a good scope with a laser-rangefinder built right in? At the 1999 or 2000 SHOT show there was a company displaying a real trick scope that not only laser ranged the target, but automatically adjusted the reticle for bullet drop. Can't remember how much they wanted for it though. |
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