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Posted: 1/19/2015 8:05:17 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:06:23 AM EST
Colts would have had the same advantage,no ?
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:08:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/19/2015 8:09:11 AM EST by Synyster06Gates]
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Originally Posted By Henry_Krinkle:
Colts would have had the same advantage,no ?
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Originally Posted By Henry_Krinkle:
Colts would have had the same advantage,no ?


Depends I guess - 36 footballs used for outdoor games and 24 for indoor. Each time a new ball is used they could be swapped.

NFL rules for footballs.

The home club shall have 36 balls for outdoor games and 24 for indoor games available for testing with a pressure gauge by the referee two hours prior to the starting time of the game to meet with League requirements. Twelve (12) new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked with the letter "k" and used exclusively for the kicking game.
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Originally Posted By Henry_Krinkle:
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It depends. Yes the Colts would have played with the same balls, but if the patriots planned this, they easily could have practiced with deflated balls all week, thus giving them an advantage. That being said, it's not why the Colts lost.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:11:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Brotherbadger:


It depends. Yes the Colts would have played with the same balls, but if the patriots planned this, they easily could have practiced with deflated balls all week, thus giving them an advantage. That being said, it's not why the Colts lost.
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Originally Posted By Brotherbadger:
Originally Posted By Henry_Krinkle:
Colts would have had the same advantage,no ?


It depends. Yes the Colts would have played with the same balls, but if the patriots planned this, they easily could have practiced with deflated balls all week, thus giving them an advantage. That being said, it's not why the Colts lost.


Yep. Colts got their asses handed to them no question about it - but if the Patriots got caught cheating AGAIN, it would really say something. Since it was wet out, deflated balls would be a big advantage.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:12:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Henry_Krinkle:
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I'm guessing they would have swapped them out so only they were using them for the advantage.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:14:05 AM EST
Deflated balls is why McCarthy didn't go for those 2 fourth and short goaline plays in the first quarter against Seattle yesterday.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:15:17 AM EST
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Cheaters gonna cheat.

Seattle will rape them anyway.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:16:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Brotherbadger:


It depends. Yes the Colts would have played with the same balls, but if the patriots planned this, they easily could have practiced with deflated balls all week, thus giving them an advantage. That being said, it's not why the Colts lost.
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Originally Posted By Brotherbadger:
Originally Posted By Henry_Krinkle:
Colts would have had the same advantage,no ?


It depends. Yes the Colts would have played with the same balls, but if the patriots planned this, they easily could have practiced with deflated balls all week, thus giving them an advantage. That being said, it's not why the Colts lost.


but don't they have home team balls and visiting team balls? I thought each team played with a ball with their team's logo on it, or is that just in the superbowl?
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:17:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Strizzo:


but don't they have home team balls and visiting team balls? I thought each team played with a ball with their team's logo on it, or is that just in the superbowl?
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Originally Posted By Strizzo:
Originally Posted By Brotherbadger:
Originally Posted By Henry_Krinkle:
Colts would have had the same advantage,no ?


It depends. Yes the Colts would have played with the same balls, but if the patriots planned this, they easily could have practiced with deflated balls all week, thus giving them an advantage. That being said, it's not why the Colts lost.


but don't they have home team balls and visiting team balls? I thought each team played with a ball with their team's logo on it, or is that just in the superbowl?


Home team provides all the balls (at least it looks like, in the quote I posted up top).
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:18:29 AM EST
Cheating?!?!!? Againg !?!?!



Didn't do anything wrong the first time, seriously doubt they would start now.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:19:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By xenophon21:
Deflated balls is why McCarthy didn't go for those 2 fourth and short goaline plays in the first quarter against Seattle yesterday.
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Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:22:01 AM EST
They gave up 4 TD's on the ground...deflated balls don't matter much in this instance.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:23:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Paul:
How is the NFL going to prove it?

I would assume that there would be a calibrated meter that the officials would use to check the ball's pressure prior to being rotated into the game.

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Originally Posted By Paul:
How is the NFL going to prove it?

I would assume that there would be a calibrated meter that the officials would use to check the ball's pressure prior to being rotated into the game.



I believe the article said they pulled at least one ball during the game and weighed it. I'm sure they weighed the rest after?

Originally Posted By j-fonz:
They gave up 4 TD's on the ground...deflated balls don't matter much in this instance.

Prevents fumbles.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:23:26 AM EST
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/ball
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:23:37 AM EST
Let's see, air up balls indoors with 75 deg air. Then haul them outside into the cold. Air molecules compress due to temp change. Yep, definitely cheating, not science or anything. My car tires cheat every winter. Maybe they should use nitrogen so people quit whining.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:27:15 AM EST
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Wait for a neutral reporter to get info from a league source. All balls should have been confiscated if they suspected anything. All balls should be in the sole custody of the refs the entire game regardless.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:29:06 AM EST
Jesus could not have helped the Colts.
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Originally Posted By noFoTeeneR:
Let's see, air up balls indoors with 75 deg air. Then haul them outside into the cold. Air molecules compress due to temp change. Yep, definitely cheating, not science or anything. My car tires cheat every winter. Maybe they should use nitrogen so people quit whining.
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Originally Posted By noFoTeeneR:
Let's see, air up balls indoors with 75 deg air. Then haul them outside into the cold. Air molecules compress due to temp change. Yep, definitely cheating, not science or anything. My car tires cheat every winter. Maybe they should use nitrogen so people quit whining.


Air pressure varies 10-12% from 70 degrees down to 32 (according to tire pressure pages). The NFL rules 12.5-13.5 PSI. It's not going to feel obviously deflated at 12 psi. Even if they filled them to the bare minimum and went outside it would be about 11psi.

Originally Posted By LoadedDrum:
Wait for a neutral reporter to get info from a league source. All balls should have been confiscated if they suspected anything. All balls should be in the sole custody of the refs the entire game regardless.


Similar article from NFL.com. Source is an NFL Spokesperson.

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Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:29:45 AM EST
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The Colts could have played with a soccer ball, a tennis ball, or an under inflated inner tube with the same result today.

eta: the local radio guy said it best this evening. "Asking who I want in the Super bowl, is like asking who I want between Rosie O'Donnell and Whopie Goldberg"
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:30:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
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Yeah, that too.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:31:23 AM EST
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And the players gonna play, play, play.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:31:59 AM EST
They needed a discount double check.....
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:33:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By xenophon21:
Deflated balls is why McCarthy didn't go for those 2 fourth and short goaline plays in the first quarter against Seattle yesterday.
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Too soon bro.










Alright, that was good.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:33:35 AM EST
OMG Spygates!!!




Patriot haters....
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:34:51 AM EST
Wonder if we'll ever see a day again where people take responsibility for their actions? They lost badly. Just accept it. Nope instantly "they cheated". Sad..
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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:


I believe the article said they pulled at least one ball during the game and weighed it. I'm sure they weighed the rest after?


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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:
Originally Posted By Paul:
How is the NFL going to prove it?

I would assume that there would be a calibrated meter that the officials would use to check the ball's pressure prior to being rotated into the game.



I believe the article said they pulled at least one ball during the game and weighed it. I'm sure they weighed the rest after?

Originally Posted By j-fonz:
They gave up 4 TD's on the ground...deflated balls don't matter much in this instance.

Prevents fumbles.


Weighed the balls?
Are you saying an inflated ball weighs more or less than an un-inflated ball?

Physics much?

Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:39:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Willz:


Weighed the balls?
Are you saying an inflated ball weighs more or less than an un-inflated ball?

Physics much?

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Originally Posted By Willz:
Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:
Originally Posted By Paul:
How is the NFL going to prove it?

I would assume that there would be a calibrated meter that the officials would use to check the ball's pressure prior to being rotated into the game.



I believe the article said they pulled at least one ball during the game and weighed it. I'm sure they weighed the rest after?

Originally Posted By j-fonz:
They gave up 4 TD's on the ground...deflated balls don't matter much in this instance.

Prevents fumbles.


Weighed the balls?
Are you saying an inflated ball weighs more or less than an un-inflated ball?

Physics much?



I don't know what they did. I'm just posting what is in the article.

"The league has guidelines on how much pressure the ball must have — between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch, weighing between 14 and 15 ounces."

Tweet from one of the reporters

"I'm told at one point the officials took a ball out of play and weighed it. Should hear more tomorrow on this subject."
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:40:32 AM EST
They weighed the balls to check for under inflation, eh?

Me thinks this guy might not be the best source for information.

I'd LOVE to be able to bag in the Pats, for doing something else fucked up, but I'm not sure this is it. Even IF the balls WERE under inflated, the Colts needed a hell of a lot more than a little more air, to get into that game.
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Originally Posted By tep0583:
They weighed the balls to check for under inflation, eh?

Me thinks this guy might not be the best source for information.

I'd LOVE to be able to bag in the Pats, for doing something else fucked up, but I'm not sure this is it. Even IF the balls WERE under inflated, the Colts needed a hell of a lot more than a little more air, to get into that game.
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That guy may not be - but an NFL spokesperson confirmed they were investigating. Maybe instead of weighing the ball they checked the air pressure. Either way the ball left the field of play.

I don't think anyone is saying it would have helped the Colts win - but cheating is cheating.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:45:06 AM EST
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Originally Posted By noFoTeeneR:
Let's see, air up balls indoors with 75 deg air. Then haul them outside into the cold. Air molecules compress due to temp change. Yep, definitely cheating, not science or anything. My car tires cheat every winter. Maybe they should use nitrogen so people quit whining.
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Air is up to 78% nitrogen. They are using nitrogen.
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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:

I don't know what they did. I'm just posting what is in the article.

"The league has guidelines on how much pressure the ball must have — between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch, weighing between 14 and 15 ounces."

Tweet from one of the reporters

"I'm told at one point the officials took a ball out of play and weighed it. Should hear more tomorrow on this subject."
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Yeah, the guy reporting this either doesn't know what he's talking about or doesn't know what they were checking for.
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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:


That guy may not be - but an NFL spokesperson confirmed they were investigating. Maybe instead of weighing the ball they checked the air pressure. Either way the ball left the field of play.

I don't think anyone is saying it would have helped the Colts win - but cheating is cheating.
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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:
Originally Posted By tep0583:
They weighed the balls to check for under inflation, eh?

Me thinks this guy might not be the best source for information.

I'd LOVE to be able to bag in the Pats, for doing something else fucked up, but I'm not sure this is it. Even IF the balls WERE under inflated, the Colts needed a hell of a lot more than a little more air, to get into that game.


That guy may not be - but an NFL spokesperson confirmed they were investigating. Maybe instead of weighing the ball they checked the air pressure. Either way the ball left the field of play.

I don't think anyone is saying it would have helped the Colts win - but cheating is cheating.



I'm not saying cheating isn't cheating, but I AM saying the guy reporting this doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about.

Goes to credibility. What other stuff does he have wrong? What else is he leaving out?

I have no issues with believing the Pats might have done something against the rules, but I'm not taking just this guy's word on it.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:51:11 AM EST
^^ He is just a reporter - you don't have to take his word for it. The NFL spokesperson is the one you should listen to - and he confirms that there was something fuck-y and there's an investigation going on.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:53:02 AM EST
I just find it ironic that there is such blatant disregard for weights and measures nomenclature on a website where people take hostile offense at misidentifying a magazine as a clip in casual plinking when the topic here involves literally BILLIONS of dollars in endorsements and advertising.





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Air is up to 78% nitrogen. They are using nitrogen.
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Originally Posted By NapTown:
Originally Posted By noFoTeeneR:
Let's see, air up balls indoors with 75 deg air. Then haul them outside into the cold. Air molecules compress due to temp change. Yep, definitely cheating, not science or anything. My car tires cheat every winter. Maybe they should use nitrogen so people quit whining.


Air is up to 78% nitrogen. They are using nitrogen.


Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:53:26 AM EST
Article says the ref's checked the balls at half time, and allowed play to continue. Should be nothing to see here and if there is, I'd love to know why the refs didn't find it at half time. Officials contol the balls for the game, not the teams, so they should have been able to check any time.
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As the great Jimmy Johnson once said, " If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin."
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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:


That guy may not be - but an NFL spokesperson confirmed they were investigating. Maybe instead of weighing the ball they checked the air pressure. Either way the ball left the field of play.

I don't think anyone is saying it would have helped the Colts win - but cheating is cheating.
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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:
Originally Posted By tep0583:
They weighed the balls to check for under inflation, eh?

Me thinks this guy might not be the best source for information.

I'd LOVE to be able to bag in the Pats, for doing something else fucked up, but I'm not sure this is it. Even IF the balls WERE under inflated, the Colts needed a hell of a lot more than a little more air, to get into that game.


That guy may not be - but an NFL spokesperson confirmed they were investigating. Maybe instead of weighing the ball they checked the air pressure. Either way the ball left the field of play.

I don't think anyone is saying it would have helped the Colts win - but cheating is cheating.

A wet pigskin ball will change the weight more than air pressure changes.

Then mud in the laces. Goes on and on. About as lame as the drilling on Oak Island.
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I see what you did there.
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Air is up to 78% nitrogen. They are using nitrogen.
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Originally Posted By noFoTeeneR:
Let's see, air up balls indoors with 75 deg air. Then haul them outside into the cold. Air molecules compress due to temp change. Yep, definitely cheating, not science or anything. My car tires cheat every winter. Maybe they should use nitrogen so people quit whining.


Air is up to 78% nitrogen. They are using nitrogen.

Yes. And 22% other gasses that are easily compressed. Thanks for the 5th grade science lesson.
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I see what you did there.
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And the players gonna play, play, play.

I see what you did there.


Shake it off
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:34:30 AM EST
the colts got their asses whipped...

that said, I wouldn't be surprised if the pressures were "adjusted" - and even if they weren't, this will become part of the media build up to the game...
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:34:40 AM EST
Did you know that if you put 75lbs. of air into all four of your pickup truck tires, you also have to remember to reduce your payload by 300lbs.?
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:37:22 AM EST
i've always wondered if for cold, outdoor games, they air them up in the ambient temp they'll be playing in to get the right psi or if they use. seems that kick-offs in cold weather dont have that 'pop' that they do indoors
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:39:13 AM EST
I hate the Pats as much of the next guy, but the Colts earned that score.
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Actually.. their season of suffering did end.
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Good tip, Also if you might be hauling too much an are in a fatal accident (killing someone else obviously) Always let the air out of all your tires first to reduce the risk of being over weight. It also helps if you are close to the limit or possibly slightly over and come up to a weigh station, just let some air out.
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