The list you posted included Sean Hannity.  He was not of age to serve in Vietnam and there was no draft when he turned 18.  Exactly why would he be included in that list?  

He copied and pasted it from some libtard site without reading it.

Well, he didn't go.

Is that you Beargrlz?

Some people had educational deferments.  These usually extended through grad school, med school, law school.  In my opinion this generated an explosion of lawyers and resulted in our litigation prone society.  But these were all legal.  If LaPierre had one of those, so be it.  His time line would indicate to me that he could have done so absent a medical excuse.

What I had a problem with was when the government gave amnesty to guys who deserted the military or left the country to avoid the draft, etc.  I can remember in 1974 (even as the war in Viet Nam was still nominally under way) when the first group from Canada were in-processed at Ft. Benjamin Harrison, given lodging in the BOQ, and provided with government jobs in agencies like Social Security.

http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/16/sept-16-1974-conditional-amnesty-for-vietnam-draft-dodgers-and-military-deserters/

Then Carter blanket pardoned them all.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7974.html

While many "conservatives" may have gamed the system, they played by the rules.  The "liberals" were more inclined to simply break the law, then they got a pass.

Not all who served during Viet Nam went to Viet Nam.  I'm a Viet Nam era vet, but never left the country in a service related way.

ETA:  I guess my point is that in a country where the Liberal establishment undermined the war effort in Viet Nam causing untold suffering and death throughout the region, then engineered the blanket pardon of all who deserted the military or virtually gave up their citizenship to avoid service, it is asinine to dredge up dirt on how currently patriotic Americans legally avoided service.  Just another bright, shining example of Liberal hypocrisy.

If he did, why would it matter?

Bill Clinton dodged the draft and went to England. He wrote a letter to his military board stating, 'he loathed the military'.

That was good enough to be elected President twice and the apple of the eye of all Democrats.

What's wrong with you?

I really don't care one way or the other but it sure don't look like he ever really worked a day in his adult life.  Perhaps that is why many folks don't care that much for or can relate to him when compaired to his predecessors.  

LOL....He should have took a public speaking class or two.

CC is treated like fucking royalty around here in Louisville.

To be fair it seems like every member of the board of directors who spent time in uniform there service is pointed out.

Board of directors

Pirate voice/seems to strain credulity don't it? / Pirate voice, CPT Barbosa



I made up some words for that one

Yup. This shit is starting to sound like DU. Eating each other is a Liberal past time but seems to be all the rage over here.

NRA and Wayne are on our side. Take the hate to DU please. They are all soulless cunts over there.

The PRESIDENT of the NRA is David Keene.  He was 23 in 1968 whn he graduated from the University of Wisconsin (21 in 1967).  Probably had a student deferment.  He wasn't a "fortunate one' as in a 'senator's son'.

I read that on the internet - that Harry Reid is a member of NAMBLA - so it must be true.

If I rephrased my question about his deferment do you think it would have been handled any diffrent?

There were deferments, but none for college (except seminary / divinity school).  Physical deferments (4F); essential war worker, farmer, age / family - chart here.



The Army and the Navy had programs designed to preserve America's future with the Army Specialized Training Program (115 IQ, later 120)and the Navy's V-12 program.



The idea was to preserve the smart people and train them to be the scientists and engineers we'd need.  



The services had pioneered IQ testing in WWI.  In WWII they also did IQ tests and there was a hierarchy of who got the smart people.  The Navy and Army Air Corps bled off a lot of high scorers for their supposed higher technological requirements.



At the colleges and universities where these ASTP and V-12 students went there were usually only girls, deferred (4F) men and the ASTP and V-12 servicemen.



The Air Corps also overstated it's need for pilots, navigators, bombardiers and aircrew.  By 1944 there were so many aviation cadets in the training programs that few would have gotten through flight school by VJ day.



By 1944, of course, the US Army had run out of infantry.  ASTP and the flight training programs were curtailed drastically and the personnel sent to be infantrymen.

Stupid thread.

Nope.  As I posted, the Army and Navy sent selected draftees to college, but there were no college deferments except divinity school.

Troll much ???

It happens

Who gives a fuck?

Fair enough feel free to lock or delete this and I will do whatever penance you deem necessary.

Not only that, but the last draft call ups in 1972 were by drawing.  December 1972 (class born 1952) was the last call up.  The Vietnam War was effectively over already and draft call ups were getting smaller (Paris Peace Acords January, 1973 and all US combat troops out by April 1973).



The Volunteer Army transition began in 1971 (the Sective Service extension bill almost failed that year - Nixon wanted to end the draft, even though the Administration asked for the two year extension, and some senators fought hard to stop the bill).



February 1972 was the last drawing (class of 1953) for 1973 call ups, but there was no draft call ups after the 1972 numbers. Ford's amnesty was in 1974.



I know.  I had a draft card.  Selective Service assigned priority numbers for the class of 1954, 1955 and 1956 in 1974, 1975 and 1976, but there were no call ups.

I have always been suspicious of that + I suspect SOS Kerry is the real Manchurian Candidate

Not him you are correct and their are others who should not be on that list. The whole point was that Mr. Lapierre did what a lot of people his age did and that was avoiding the draft. Some guys like Rocky Bleier was drafted after college and served with distinction. Elvis Presley and Willie Mays both were drafted and served with distinction

But the reality was a lot of guys from both sides of the camp avoided the draft and Vietnam

"Other discriminating factors regarding conscription include age, with a preference for younger draftees, and residency, since only those in the U.S. may be drafted.

The draft has been perceived by some as unfairly targeting the poor and lower middle classes. Because of college deferments, children of wealthy and upper-middle-class families that could afford to send them to college could avoid the draft. The fact that President Bill Clinton had been attending college during the time period in which conscription was active and received a collegiate deferment caused controversy during his campaigns and during his time in office (however, Clinton did not come from a rich family). Similar controversy has surrounded prominent figures in the Bush Administration, such as Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz.

During the Vietnam War, some children of wealthy families wished to avoid a perception of avoiding military service. Those individuals often signed up for the National Guard, which at the time seldom sent troops overseas. The fact that some were able to use their family's connections to gain a position when spots in the Guard were limited also led to a perception that the wealthy were using the National Guard to ensure that their children were assigned low-risk duty in the U.S. Much as President Clinton's obtainment of a deferment based on his attendance of college caused controversy, President George W. Bush's service in the National Guard during the Vietnam War also attracted controversy during his election campaigns.

During the Vietnam Era it was often quite easy for those with some knowledge of the system (or from guidance by draft counselors and draft attorneys) to avoid being drafted, or to defend prosecutions by submitting themselves to induction after indictment, and then being found disqualified. A simple route, widely publicized, was to get a medical rejection. This was possible because the draft laws after World War II mandated that the medical standards for conscription should not be less stringent than they were during the war. However, advances in diagnostic medicine led to a much larger pool of young men being subject to disqualification. (Homosexuality was also a disqualifying condition, although most men did not wish to assert this status during that era.) Men who received induction notices could often manipulate where they were examined by showing up at induction centers far away from their actual residences on the mandated date for examination (either for a pre-induction physical or the induction physical examination). It was advantageous to be examined in induction centers adjacent to heavily populated metropolitan areas, where it often was not worth the Army's time to dispute their claims.

Conversely the poor and uneducated were often conscripted without any understanding of how to escape the system. However, many law schools, notably Harvard University, had draft counseling centers where law students helped young men in poorer areas assert their rights and seek exemptions from induction."

If you look up draft dodger in the dictionary you will see the textbook example

OH we all know he really wants you to lock the thread now that he is getting his ass handed to him.  He's tired of playing the game that he started.

Someone posted above that no one was called up for the draft the year Lapierre would have finished college. College deferments expired at a person's 24 birthday, 2 months after his 24th birthday, the all voluntary military became law. He had no  need to request a medical deferment, the whole question was based on a lie, started by Democratic Underground.

There were many, many draftees who did not avoid the draft and VN and served with distinction

The stereotypes are wrong. Let's look at the facts, starting with who actually served in Vietnam.
The image of those who fought in Vietnam is one of poorly educated, reluctant draftees -- predominantly poor whites and minorities. But in reality, only one-third of Vietnam-era veterans entered the military through the draft, far lower than the 66 percent drafted in World War II.

It was the best-educated and most egalitarian military force in America's history -- and with the advent of the all-volunteer military, is likely to remain so. In WWII, only 45 percent of the troops had a high school diploma. During the Vietnam War, almost 80 percent of those who enlisted had high school diplomas, and the percentage was higher for draftees -- even though, at the time, only 65 percent of military-age males had a high school diploma.

Throughout the Vietnam era, the median education level of the enlisted man was about 13 years. Proportionately, three times as many college graduates served in Vietnam than in WWII.

Draftees vs. Volunteers:

25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII.)

Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

Reservists killed: 5,977.

National Guard: 6,140 served; 101 died.

Total draftees (1965-73): 1,728,344.

Actually served in Vietnam: 38%

Marine Corps draft: 42,633.

Last man drafted: June 30, 1973

So it was a bullshit list to begin with but you still posted it?

WTF?

He also was arrested for it and went to trial and found guilty. The supreme court reversed the ruling on appeal.





 

I screwed up and was lazy posting it but the point was a lot of guys did not go avoiding the draft

And John Kerry & Charlie Rangel served. What's your point.

I don't know.

What I do know, however, is that the OP is starting a pointless thread aimed at discrediting an organization that is fighting for our rights at the moment. And that I don't appreciate it.

WTF OP?

And good ol Richter. Somehow every time I read what he posts, and I look over at the name I am not surprised at who it is that has so vehemently disgusted me.

But, isn't it SOP to lock a thread at the request of the OP?

OP request.