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Posted: 9/8/2004 5:28:32 PM EST
I'm not sure about what this press release on their home page means:

Press Release:

September 8th, 2004 5:54PM est

Bushmaster Firearms is pleased to announce a conclusion to the DC sniper case brought by the victim’s families and the Brady organization. The balance of the insurance policy not spent on legal fees, approximately $550,000, will go to the victim’s families for their grief.

Bushmaster reaffirms its commitment to BATF requirements and National Shooting Sports Foundation’s (NSSF) goals.

Bushmaster supports that FFL Dealers and Distributors who sell its products follow the recommendations of the BATF newsletters and the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) publication “Don’t Lie for the Other Guy” program and their other safety literature.

Bushmaster supports the standards set forth by the BATF in their requirements to be a licensed FFL holder.

Richard E. Dyke
Chairman
Bushmaster Firearms, Inc.
Windham, Maine
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:29:54 PM EST
I saw that too. It's worded kinda strange but it does look like the slip and fall lawyer gor half a mill out of Bushmaster. I hope I am misinterpreting the news release and it was someone elses policy that got scammed...
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:29:55 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:29:55 PM EST
Wow, they are going to have to sell a shitload of rifles to pay for that
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:31:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Wow, they are going to have to sell a shitload of rifles to pay for that



Dude, they'll make that back by next Friday.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:32:19 PM EST
That sucks.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:32:31 PM EST
Why should they pay anything? They did nothing wrong.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:32:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:33:32 PM EST
... Call Mark and ask him
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:34:22 PM EST
their insurance company probably paid it out
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:34:25 PM EST

The balance of the insurance policy not spent on legal fees, approximately $550,000, will go to the victim’s families for their grief.



Didn't cost them all that much.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:34:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Do you guys understand the concept of Insurance?



Doesn't matter.

While Bushmaster may not have paid out of their own pocket, it is still a frivolous claim.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:35:49 PM EST
It sounds to me like the balance that had not been spent on legal fees on their liability insurance was $550,000, and a settlement was made amongst all parties involved (Bushmaster, Lawyers, Insurance company, and the families of the victims filing suit) to pay it out and get it overwith.

But I could be wrong.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:37:47 PM EST
That's a paltry sum considering what it could have been. Although I don't agree with paying it, I can see why they would. How much bad publicity and possible contracts with cities across the nation would they lose due to bad publicity? Their insurance paid it and they move on. Heck, I'm not a lawyer and I could have gotten that much out of them. I'm sure they're breathing a lot easier that it was ONLY $550K. Spread that out among the victims and lawyers and it comes to peanuts.

This falls into the same category as doctors and hospitals settling even though they know they are right/innocent. It's cheaper to pay than litigate in the court of public opinion.

jd1
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:39:07 PM EST
A disagree that BM should have paid anything...did they pull the trigger? NO...

What shocks me is this. A woman can get $1mil for spilling cofee in her lap and someone only gets $1/2 for having someone shot? Who the hell taught these people math?
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:40:32 PM EST
Bushmaster to families:

"Look, we don't want to pay another dime to our or your lawyers, so if you drop this claim we'll take the rest of the insurance legal cost money and give it to you. It's either than or we'll spend every last dime fighting you in court for years to come."
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:41:24 PM EST
Wednesday, September 8, 2004 · Last updated 6:34 p.m. PT

Lawyer: Bushmaster, Bull's Eye settle for $2.5 million in D.C. sniper shootings

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

SEATTLE -- The manufacturer and dealer of the rifle used in the Washington, D.C.-area sniper shootings have agreed to pay $2.5 million in a settlement with victims' families, a lawyer said Wednesday night.

The settlement with Bushmaster marks the first time a gun manufacturer has agreed to pay damages for negligent distribution of weapons, said Jon Lowy, a lawyer with the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. He helped argue the case. He said the settlement with Bull's Eye Shooter Supply is the largest against a gun dealer.

"These settlements send a loud and clear message that the gun industry cannot turn a blind eye to how criminals get their guns," Lowy said.

Bushmaster Firearms Inc. of Windham, Maine, agreed to pay $550,000 to eight victims of the D.C. sniper shootings. Bull's Eye Shooter Supply of Tacoma, where the snipers' Bushmaster rifle came from, agreed to pay $2 million.

Defense lawyers did not immediately return calls for comment.

A Pierce County Superior Court judge in Tacoma will determine how to divide the settlement among the eight plaintiffs - six families of people who were killed and two people who were injured in the shootings.

John Allen Muhammad, 43, was convicted and sentenced to death for murder in one of the 10 fatal shootings in October 2002 in the Washington, D.C.-area. His coconspirator, 19-year-old Lee Boyd Malvo, was tried separately, convicted of murder in a different death and sentenced to life in prison without parole.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=WA%20Sniper%20Families'%20Lawsuit
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:43:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:45:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 5:47:16 PM EST by California_Kid]

Originally Posted By KA3B:
Wednesday, September 8, 2004 · Last updated 6:34 p.m. PT

Lawyer: Bushmaster, Bull's Eye settle for $2.5 million in D.C. sniper shootings

...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=WA%20Sniper%20Families'%20Lawsuit



On edit: Never mind, but still

Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:46:22 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:46:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
Didn't cost them all that much.



A. It shouldn't have cost them anything.
B. Their insurance costs will now go sky-high.
C. You, and anyone else who buys ANY firearm will now pay more.

Therefore, it cost EVERYONE a shit-load.

But, you are right to the extent that it could have been more.

Just remember John Edwards and his ilk are the only ones to make out because of this.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:48:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By California_Kid:

Originally Posted By KA3B:
Wednesday, September 8, 2004 · Last updated 6:34 p.m. PT

Lawyer: Bushmaster, Bull's Eye settle for $2.5 million in D.C. sniper shootings

...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=WA%20Sniper%20Families'%20Lawsuit



On edit: Never mind, but still




No. Bull's Eye paid the other $2 mil.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:49:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By AlphaBobRI:

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
Didn't cost them all that much.



A. It shouldn't have cost them anything.
B. Their insurance costs will now go sky-high.
C. You, and anyone else who buys ANY firearm will now pay more.

Therefore, it cost EVERYONE a shit-load.

But, you are right to the extent that it could have been more.

Just remember John Edwards and his ilk are the only ones to make out because of this.



I'll gladly pay an extra $10-20 for a Bushy if it will keep them in business...
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:49:26 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:52:46 PM EST
It sets a precedent for other abulance chasers and the antis.
If you did nothing wrong, why pay ?
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:54:34 PM EST
This case, in the end, just helped those who will file the same claims in the future.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:57:09 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:57:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
It sets a precedent for other abulance chasers and the antis.
If you did nothing wrong, why pay ?




Beat me to it.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:03:33 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:07:31 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:11:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By Currahee:
A disagree that BM should have paid anything...did they pull the trigger? NO...

What shocks me is this. A woman can get $1mil for spilling cofee in her lap and someone only gets $1/2 for having someone shot? Who the hell taught these people math?



It does seem strange.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:17:21 PM EST
OTH...
I don't see MB paying for anything when the local wifey ran over her cheating husband with one of their products...
I agree this type of settlement will keep the trend going....
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:23:58 PM EST
The deal still sucks, even if it doesn't suck as much as it could have sucked.

I hope that Brady guy gets hit by meteor.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:24:31 PM EST
interesting that a brady lawyer was involved. nice ooperation they have there.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:26:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By Tonster:
I don't see MB paying for anything when the local wifey ran over her cheating husband with one of their products...



Good point. Does Louisville Slugger pay whenever one of their bats is used to beat someone to death? Does Stanley pay when their claw hammer is the murder weapon of choice? Ford for an F-150 hit & run?

While only the owners of Bushmaster can decide what's best for them, this case will undoubtedly perpetuate the trend toward crime victims "shotgunning" lawsuits around at every party remotely related to the crime. As another poster noted, the cost of defending against these types of suits will only drive up the cost of guns for all of us.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:38:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Actually, no, there is no legal precedent... no guilt was admitted. Settlements to avoid exactly that were established long ago.




I hope you are correct, only time will tell.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:42:12 PM EST
i can't believe bushmaster caved like this? they should have stood firm against these people and not caved like that. this will just make it easier and easier for people to sue gun manufacturers and make things harder in general.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 9:22:10 PM EST
How is this ANY different than what S&W did.

Anyone that hates S&W yet supports BM can lick sack....
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 9:28:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By JHP:
How is this ANY different than what S&W did.

Anyone that hates S&W yet supports BM can lick sack....



This is a valid point, er, question???

With BM taking the position of settling out of court, do we need to start boycotting Bushmaster like we did Smith & Wesson?

No intention to flame or hijak the thread, but I for one think Bushy makes a quality product, however, I am also aware their actions can affect the entire industry.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 9:48:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 9:49:57 PM EST by StonerStudent]

Originally Posted By kill-9:

Originally Posted By Tonster:
I don't see MB paying for anything when the local wifey ran over her cheating husband with one of their products...



Good point. Does Louisville Slugger pay whenever one of their bats is used to beat someone to death? Does Stanley pay when their claw hammer is the murder weapon of choice? Ford for an F-150 hit & run?

While only the owners of Bushmaster can decide what's best for them, this case will undoubtedly perpetuate the trend toward crime victims "shotgunning" lawsuits around at every party remotely related to the crime. As another poster noted, the cost of defending against these types of suits will only drive up the cost of guns for all of us.




For one thing the guy who gets beat to death with the hammer doesn't have Brady Foundation,George Soros and the whole fucken Democrat party supporting him ether!!!!!!!!!

Yes the deal sucks....but till we get the lawsuit protection act passed that what we are stuck with.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 9:53:40 PM EST
How doomed we are when a company is sued because their produce does work. hock.gif
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 1:05:09 AM EST
Blackmail, plain and simple. Sad that they had to cave, but when I see the boycott question raised, I start to think selfishly. I couldn't boycott BM. So, like BM, I will forsake my priciples so that I may continue to get the products I desire. Is my action really any different than what BM did ? They forsake their principles to stay in business. I'm conflicted. Soured. Frustrated.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 1:31:50 AM EST
Should the NAACP have to pay part of the settlement, too?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 1:43:31 AM EST
Oh well. Guess I'll just have to buy some more stuff from Bushmaster to let the anti's know that they're not going to be losing any business over this bullshit.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 2:43:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By 1776:
Why should they pay anything? They did nothing wrong.



Absolutely! Whether or not their insurance paid this (deductable amount??), this company has just BENT OVER, and set a dangerous precedent.

Now, other similar-type suits will be brought int the hopes of the same type of settlment. It won't have to be national-level-event type suits either. This is what lawyers call "settlement value." Non-lawyers call it extortion or shake-down.

You do what you want, but I am going to now treat Bushmaster like I did S&W when they bent over:
BOYCOTT. Hell, Bushmaster is to damn expensive anyway.

Once again: the DC sniper incident was surely a tragedy, but was in no way the fault of Bushmaster.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 2:53:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 2:59:39 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:04:49 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:27:58 AM EST
Elect Bush and maybe lawsuits like this will go away.

Bush has vowed over and over again for tort reform in all his speeches to avoid shit exactly like this. Not sure how far he'll get, but a president trying has to be better than a scum sucking trial lawyer in the VP seat.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:59:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
most likely bushmaster didn't settle anything. My guess would be it was the insurance company that settled.

At least i hope that was the case.



Yes but the Insurance company isn't going to settle without their client's consent (at least I hope not!).

I see it as lawyers for BM saying, well its going to cost X million dollars to keep fighting this and maybe pay out Y million more after a trial. El gun store's insurance company is willing to pay 2 million to settle this out of court.

I'm sure that 2 million was come up with after BM and the gun store's lawyers threw some figures at the victims' lawyers and then they came back with a solid number. Also it shows who was "more to blame" in some cases. The gun store's insurance company paid out 2 mil. BM only paid out 550,000 which although a lot is not really a lot. Oh yeah, and neither the gun store nor Bushmaster made the rifle and handed it to Malvo/Mohammed and then pulled the trigger for them.

Settling out of court saves all parites involved from some real nasty shit. I think BM made the right choice.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:02:52 AM EST
I guess it's just too much to ask a company to stand on principle anymore? Business is business, but without prinicples, what are we? This may not have set a legal precedent, but we all still know who won, and it will invite more of the same.
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