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Posted: 12/21/2016 7:59:45 AM EST
I went to visit National Review Online to see if they had recanted their NeverTrumpian views and there is a Ben Shapiro article, "Honest Politicians Finish Last".  The gist of it is that Trump is just like Bernie and the Leftists that have no idea about economics and he lied to the American people about economics and his policies won't bring jobs back to America.  

WTF?  This was published today.  This is after Carrier, after that Japanese company is beginning the process of bringing 50000 jobs to the US, after the Ford thing....

BS is also spouting the same shit the LEFTIST MEDIA is spouting.  All the flaws and failures that Trump so far has had in his Presidency and that he is "demagoguing trade and businesspeople".....

AND HE IS NOT EVEN PRESIDENT YET.

The only thing I can imagine is that BS either had money tied up in a successful (impossible) Cruz run, or a promised position in a Cruz presidency.  

BS has made himself irrelevant and a source of BS.  It is pathetic, sad and a demonstration that there are people and pundits on both sides that are more interested in their own selfish needs than the needs of America as a whole.
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Inb4 the Shapiro hate.


Link Posted: 12/21/2016 8:08:18 AM EST
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lol
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 8:08:49 AM EST
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He couldn't let it go, all that hate burned him up.

It's a shame; he's a very intelligent guy.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 8:21:11 AM EST
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The gist of it is that Trump is just like Bernie and the Leftists that have no idea about economics and he lied to the American people about economics and his policies won't bring jobs back to America.  
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Well this is true.
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He couldn't let it go, all that hate burned him up.

It's a shame; he's a very intelligent guy.
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IMO, honest NeverTrumpers should have changed their tune after all the Podesta emails came out showing how so much of what was used to show how dangerous Trump was was either fake stories put out by the Left, or paid agitators and instigators from the Left creating the news stories.

I know I had to re-evaluate my NeverTrumo stance after it all came out, and ended up being happy to vote for him.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 8:35:22 AM EST
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I hope this isn't too big a surprise.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 8:35:22 AM EST
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Lots of people had their wagons hitched to Cruz, Mark Levin included.

Let's not pretend Trump is God Almighty though, ok? He is a deeply flawed man making some very questionable decisions.
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The gist of it is that Trump is just like Bernie and the Leftists that have no idea about economics and he lied to the American people about economics and his policies won't bring jobs back to America.  


Well this is true.


Well that is odd considering jobs have already been saved by a man that is not even POTUS yet.....You stop the jobs bleeding away overseas before you do anything else.

Get shed of H1 and H2 visas and you will see how the job market will take off.

There was a time in this country that students trained in HS for trade jobs.....There is no reason that the practice can't be brought back and our kids trained for tech jobs in addition to that.

It's time we do what is best for our country and not the fucking Chamber of Commerce ass-bags that wants to replace US workers with H1/H2 visa workers.
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The gist of it is that Trump is just like Bernie and the Leftists that have no idea about economics and he lied to the American people about economics and his policies won't bring jobs back to America.  


Well this is true.


Doesn't matter.

There was something the Clintons used to say: "personnel is policy".

Shapiro can be right and Trump can be wrong and it won't even matter, because when Trump is bringing in good people (as we've seen so far with appointment picks and of course with Pence as VP choice), he makes up for things he doesn't know with people who do know.  Shapiro needs to understand this.


Shapiro should really mellow out on this, because he's going to alienate people who are more emotional Trump supporters who otherwise do agree with Shapiro ideologically but are just fed up, and a "professional media analyst" or "commentator" is exactly the kind of person they are not in the mood to listen to right now.
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Lots of people had their wagons hitched to Cruz, Mark Levin included.

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Cruz was the one leading that wagon train and eventually came around to Trump, because there were only two choices, and it needed to not be Hillary.

And while Trump himself isn't perfect (I'm not going to rehash my primary complaints because they're irrelevant), he's also a flawed man making some really good decisions on appointments and the people who are going to be running the bureaucracy of the country.  And Pence is a great VP.


Levin recognized things like that as well, and got on board the train, albeit later, but also because his talents, skills, and knowledge are helpful to have aboard.  Shapiro probably ought to sit down and have Levin explain that sort of thing to him.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 8:48:16 AM EST
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He and Beck are left out in the rain.....what else are they going to do to eat?

Beck is partnering with leftist media in an effort to regain a lost audience and pay his bills....

cuz shills got bills...
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Doesn't matter.

There was something the Clintons used to say: "personnel is policy".

Shapiro can be right and Trump can be wrong and it won't even matter, because when Trump is bringing in good people (as we've seen so far with appointment picks and of course with Pence as VP choice), he makes up for things he doesn't know with people who do know.  Shapiro needs to understand this.


Shapiro should really mellow out on this, because he's going to alienate people who are more emotional Trump supporters who otherwise do agree with Shapiro ideologically but are just fed up, and a "professional media analyst" or "commentator" is exactly the kind of person they are not in the mood to listen to right now.
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The gist of it is that Trump is just like Bernie and the Leftists that have no idea about economics and he lied to the American people about economics and his policies won't bring jobs back to America.  


Well this is true.


Doesn't matter.

There was something the Clintons used to say: "personnel is policy".

Shapiro can be right and Trump can be wrong and it won't even matter, because when Trump is bringing in good people (as we've seen so far with appointment picks and of course with Pence as VP choice), he makes up for things he doesn't know with people who do know.  Shapiro needs to understand this.


Shapiro should really mellow out on this, because he's going to alienate people who are more emotional Trump supporters who otherwise do agree with Shapiro ideologically but are just fed up, and a "professional media analyst" or "commentator" is exactly the kind of person they are not in the mood to listen to right now.



Very true.

Love Shapiro, but I think he's short-sighted pursuing "the perfect" instead of accepting the good that was and is before him- a problem conservatives have.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 8:53:03 AM EST
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My biggest frustration with Shapiro, and others like him, is that they are otherwise intelligent, have good arguments, good ideas.  

Their dissent of Trump / outright hatred of Trump, is a crack in our wall that the Left can use to damage our side.

It is not like Lena Dunham attacking Trump, because none of her arguments hold water.

When you have someone on your own side (ostensibly) that has many of your traits, thoughts and characteristics, but argues against something as important as the office of the President; they can be used to drive a wedge into your group and fracture it.  Just like Beck being mentioned, the Left will find a way to use Shapiro to attempt to divide us and weaken our ability to defend against their attacks.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 8:53:59 AM EST
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He ain't wrong.

The reason Trump won is because he beat the left at their own game. Those on the right need to figure out that this shit is a dog fight not a knitting circle. I also believe that both the left and many on the right will wonder WTF just plowed them all over by the time Trump does his first state of the union address.
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¡Hi Jeb!
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 9:01:03 AM EST
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Who fucking cares. He can join that other NUT JOB Glenn Beck.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 9:04:20 AM EST
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Muh Cruz......
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Cruz was the one leading that wagon train and eventually came around to Trump, because there were only two choices, and it needed to not be Hillary.
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Levin recognized things like that as well, and got on board the train, albeit later, but also because his talents, skills, and knowledge are helpful to have aboard.  Shapiro probably ought to sit down and have Levin explain that sort of thing to him.
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if the campaign to the general election were a day of time, cruz finally gave support to trump in the last 5 minutes of the day.

and levin is a nevertrumper, who at the  week or so before the general election, said to vote for trump, because he wasn't hillary.

since then, he's gone on attacks at trump again, for his picks for cabinet positions, and comments that he has made, so levin does not support trump, even now.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 9:07:37 AM EST
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Shapiro is a brilliant dude.  His disdain for Trump is interesting to me.  Hopefully time will prove him wrong on this one.

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Cruz was the one leading that wagon train and eventually came around to Trump, because there were only two choices, and it needed to not be Hillary.

And while Trump himself isn't perfect (I'm not going to rehash my primary complaints because they're irrelevant), he's also a flawed man making some really good decisions on appointments and the people who are going to be running the bureaucracy of the country.  And Pence is a great VP.


Levin recognized things like that as well, and got on board the train, albeit later, but also because his talents, skills, and knowledge are helpful to have aboard.  Shapiro probably ought to sit down and have Levin explain that sort of thing to him.
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Lots of people had their wagons hitched to Cruz, Mark Levin included.

Let's not pretend Trump is God Almighty though, ok? He is a deeply flawed man making some very questionable decisions.


Cruz was the one leading that wagon train and eventually came around to Trump, because there were only two choices, and it needed to not be Hillary.

And while Trump himself isn't perfect (I'm not going to rehash my primary complaints because they're irrelevant), he's also a flawed man making some really good decisions on appointments and the people who are going to be running the bureaucracy of the country.  And Pence is a great VP.


Levin recognized things like that as well, and got on board the train, albeit later, but also because his talents, skills, and knowledge are helpful to have aboard.  Shapiro probably ought to sit down and have Levin explain that sort of thing to him.




Ben is a listener to Mark Levin and covers many of the same topics. I heard Levin say he is on vacation the next two weeks, and Shapiro is filling in for him some days.

Ben is pitching a fit because he didn't get his way. If you'll notice this all started when he tried to white knight for that lying attention whore Michelle Fields (who is now at the Huffington Post LOL).

LOL look at Benny's article from 2011, saying Trump is "the best Republican candidate for president out there".

Link Posted: 12/21/2016 9:13:08 AM EST
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In war they are called double agents.

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if the campaign to the general election were a day of time, cruz finally gave support to trump in the last 5 minutes of the day.

and levin is a nevertrumper, who at the  week or so before the general election, said to vote for trump, because he wasn't hillary.

since then, he's gone on attacks at trump again, for his picks for cabinet positions, and comments that he has made, so levin does not support trump, even now.
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It's called RATINGS.
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lol everytime i watch this
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 9:34:04 AM EST
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He was World Net Daily's conservative Jewish child prodigy....success went to his head early...no thanks to his enablers...
He'll come around just needs some time to mature I doubt he really had the time to be a kid pushed by his father to be a pundit too soon.
Without the critical life experience necessary to draw on to put be able to put the book knowledge into a working perspective.
imo
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 9:54:37 AM EST
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Fuck that guy. He put his credibility on the line to knock out Trump, and lost it.

Now he will sell his intellectual excrement through the Weekly Standard and National Review just like the rest of the two faced shitbirds of his ilk.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 10:03:45 AM EST
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I still really like Benji, and listen to his podcast everyday(when he manages to make it), and I'm one of the biggest Trump supporters out there.

To be honest, I don't want every intellectual to bend to my viewpoint, I'd rather them stick to their principles. I know, listening to Ben Shapiro, he will always talk from the point of view of an actual Conservative. No matter where I move on the spectrum, I can always rely on him to stay principled, even though I feel he may get things wrong. Hell, I remember about a month or so before the election driving up to Dallas and having two separate moments yelling at the radio when listening to both Crowder and Shapiro podcasts about how wrong they were, yet I still listen to them both regularly.

It's most of the Fox News fuckers that changed their point of view from the start of Election Night coverage to the end that I don't like.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 10:17:12 AM EST
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What is more disgusting than people who make arguments about some of the policies Trump is proposing, is the vehement support his base gives him. Trump is immune to any kind of criticism and he can do no wrong.

We had another president that could never be criticized and did no wrong to his base. His name was Obama.

I understand there is going to be a honeymoon period. However, as GD has shown since the win, you can't have ANY kind of criticism against Trump without being called 9 different names.

Lastly, Trump is not a conservative by his own admission and did not run on a conservative platform. Shapiro admits that he is more closely aligned to a Classical liberal than most things.(Most people will just read the liberal in that sentence and not understand WTF it means with Classical in front.)



ETA: Also, as with the Indiana jobs staying here. Did the details as to how Trump convinced them stay come out? The problem Shapiro had with it, is the intervention of the soon to be world's most powerful man. Socialism is government central planning of the economy. When you have the executive branch picking winners and losers, giving special breaks to just one business, you have socialism.

Again, this isn't really anything that should be surprising. Trump said he would get jobs/keep jobs here. How he does that, shouldn't be surprising either. However, ideal type capitalism died in America a long time ago. Trump is not going to bring that back and I don't really think any of his supporters would want that anyways.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 10:23:09 AM EST
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Double tap
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My biggest frustration with Shapiro, and others like him, is that they are otherwise intelligent, have good arguments, good ideas.  

Their dissent of Trump / outright hatred of Trump, is a crack in our wall that the Left can use to damage our side.

It is not like Lena Dunham attacking Trump, because none of her arguments hold water.

When you have someone on your own side (ostensibly) that has many of your traits, thoughts and characteristics, but argues against something as important as the office of the President; they can be used to drive a wedge into your group and fracture it.  Just like Beck being mentioned, the Left will find a way to use Shapiro to attempt to divide us and weaken our ability to defend against their attacks.
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Then you are admitting that Shapiro's arguments hold water? Trump is not a Republican nor a Conservative. Which is fine. However, the man is not above criticism and people here refuse to criticize him for ANYTHING.

I just want a year to go by already, so we can let Trump's policies and work speak for itself.
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What is more disgusting than people who make arguments about some of the policies Trump is proposing, is the vehement support his base gives him. Trump is immune to any kind of criticism and he can do no wrong.

We had another president that could never be criticized and did no wrong to his base. His name was Obama.

I understand there is going to be a honeymoon period. However, as GD has shown since the win, you can't have ANY kind of criticism against Trump without being called 9 different names.

Lastly, Trump is not a conservative by his own admission and did not run on a conservative platform. Shapiro admits that he is more closely aligned to a Classical liberal than most things.(Most people will just read the liberal in that sentence and not understand WTF it means with Classical in front.)



ETA: Also, as with the Indiana jobs staying here. Did the details as to how Trump convinced them stay come out? The problem Shapiro had with it, is the intervention of the soon to be world's most powerful man. Socialism is government central planning of the economy. When you have the executive branch picking winners and losers, giving special breaks to just one business, you have socialism.

Again, this isn't really anything that should be surprising. Trump said he would get jobs/keep jobs here. How he does that, shouldn't be surprising either. However, ideal type capitalism died in America a long time ago. Trump is not going to bring that back and I don't really think any of his supporters would want that anyways.
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It doesn't help when half the criticism is pointless conjecture based on speculation of what someone "might" do. You still upset that Trump won?
Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 10:36:20 AM EST
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IMO, honest NeverTrumpers should have changed their tune after all the Podesta emails came out showing how so much of what was used to show how dangerous Trump was was either fake stories put out by the Left, or paid agitators and instigators from the Left creating the news stories.

I know I had to re-evaluate my NeverTrumo stance after it all came out, and ended up being happy to vote for him.
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he wasn't a never Trumper from what the MSM said.

he went to bat for that breitbart chick who was shoved down by trumps security.

when it came out that they just pushed her out of the way in a crowd instead of introspection he doubled down on never trump.

a tornado is coming
1. praying it will miss the house is not helpful
2. saying we wouldn't be in this problem if we never moved to Kansas.
3. going to the shelter.


Ben chose option one and two, a lot of talk about how we fucked up and picked an unelectable buffoon.

i believe he would have been much happier with Hillery in the white house and years of saying i told you so.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 10:55:59 AM EST
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When a political contrarian's own party gets elected president, the only way to stay relevant is to continue being a contrarian I guess.

Too bad about Shapiro.  One of the best.
Link Posted: 12/21/2016 10:59:12 AM EST
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This thread needs a theme song.

Ben Shapiro plays Violin to crying Hillary supporters
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Shapiro admits that he is more closely aligned to a Classical liberal than most things.(Most people will just read the liberal in that sentence and not understand WTF it means with Classical in front.)
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Shapiro admits that he is more closely aligned to a Classical liberal than most things.(Most people will just read the liberal in that sentence and not understand WTF it means with Classical in front.)

Stupid statement of superior intellect is stupid. You assume the rest of us don't know what classical Liberalism is?

Socialism is government central planning of the economy.
No, it is not.
Tax breaks are not central planning of the economy. They are tax relief incentives that spur growth. Ask Reagan.

When you have the executive branch picking winners and losers, giving special breaks to just one business, you have socialism.
No, you do not. All governments in the world and throughout history have given incentives to business. It's called politics.
Socialism is a redistributive, centrally planned econonomics and is not defined by a single parameter. Screaming socialism every 5 seconds makes you sound ill-informed.

However, ideal type capitalism died in America a long time ago. Trump is not going to bring that back and I don't really think any of his supporters would want that anyways.

"Ideal type capitalism". Ok, not sure what that is.

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...and people here refuse to criticize him for ANYTHING.

I just want a year to go by already, so we can let Trump's policies and work speak for itself.


Do you see the irony in this statement?
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