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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:22:32 AM EDT
[#1]
I don't think giving even more shit away is the answer, dude.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:23:28 AM EDT
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This should fetch just the sort of nobles we're looking for.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:23:53 AM EDT
[#3]
As soon as you go to the store to buy a gallon of milk, go to church, leave for work, or a walk around the block.
Your stuff is GONE. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:24:09 AM EDT
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"40 acres and a mule" revisited in Detroit as "1/2 acre/house" in trade for a 5 year commitment to live on the property. Would it help revitalize the city? Discuss. If you were given a house in Detroit would you live there? Not me. I was there last fall for the weekend. Hadn't been for awhile. It really is sad to see how bad this place is. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:24:12 AM EDT
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"40 acres and a mule" revisited in Detroit as "1/2 acre/house" in trade for a 5 year commitment to live on the property. Would it help revitalize the city? Discuss. No. The city has to produce something more than it is taking to revitalize. I guarantee the people moving into those homes are not going to produce anything. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:24:41 AM EDT
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I don't think giving even more shit away is the answer, dude. There it is. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:26:31 AM EDT
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Make it a State Wildlife Area or National Park.
ETA: Or a National Historic Site |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:30:47 AM EDT
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Quarter section and a Killdozer, and i might consider it.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:32:24 AM EDT
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Detroit would be a great place to roll out a large-scale urban homesteading program where people receive property tax abatements for razing and redeveloping. It isn't like the current residents are paying their taxes anyway.
It would also be a great place to establish large communities of refugees, considering that whole subdivisions are abandoned and at a nearly Third World level of disrepair anyway. In fact, I had an idea a while ago for a Reality TV Show set in Detroit, the premise being transferring a whole village of Burmese/Nepali/Vietnamese into Detroit and watching them build a thriving community out of the ruins left by our native born ghetto-dwellers. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:32:31 AM EDT
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With all the abandoned property/unproductive real estate, it seems to me that the city is going to have to shrink the area the city supports in order to get a handle on expenses. If you can't get individuals to move in and become productive, what do you do? Maybe bulldoze and sell off? Use imminent domain to set aside blocks of otherwise prime property to sell to developers?
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:34:43 AM EDT
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There it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think giving even more shit away is the answer, dude. There it is. Come on guys. We could obtain a few blocks on the high ground and build a fortification. It could be just like the old west. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:35:36 AM EDT
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There it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think giving even more shit away is the answer, dude. There it is. Fear not, they'll get their money out of you after you move there. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:36:23 AM EDT
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So I get a piece of property that cannot be sold on the open market because of the crime, graft, and current and even higher potential tax liabilities attached to it? Super deal! Got any straw to go with that? I'm just a little pig who ain't afraid of the big bad progressive wolf and I'll need to build a suitable house on the property.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:38:02 AM EDT
[#14]
The best plan would be to sell it to someone that will till it under and start growing cherries.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:38:57 AM EDT
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how close to lafeyette coney?
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:39:28 AM EDT
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As soon as you go to the store to buy a gallon of milk, go to church, leave for work, or a walk around the block. Your stuff is GONE. you're assuming I don't wire my fence to the dryer socket, and bury land mines. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:41:02 AM EDT
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They need to wallow in their own shit for another decade or two.
Maybe then the commies will figure out that they don't know how to run a fucking city/county/state/country. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:41:35 AM EDT
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Make it the set for a real life Running Man show.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:42:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Make it the set for a real life Running Man show. There was a thread on here a while back about what equipment load-out you would want to cross Detroit alone on foot. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:44:16 AM EDT
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Throw a right to legally shoot thieves, and free ammo in on the deal, and it may be interesting.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:47:02 AM EDT
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OK. Imagine that ARFCOM Central grants you complete control over the Mayor’s office and Detroit’s City Council (or whatever it is called) and charges you with developing a plan to revitalize the blighted/abandoned areas. Here's your chance... what is your plan? (It must be legal.) |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:48:34 AM EDT
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There was a thread on here a while back about what equipment load-out you would want to cross Detroit alone on foot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Make it the set for a real life Running Man show. There was a thread on here a while back about what equipment load-out you would want to cross Detroit alone on foot. Link to thread? 
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:49:21 AM EDT
[#23]
Still need jobs and no unions
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:50:33 AM EDT
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OK. Imagine thatARFCOM Central grants you complete control over the Mayor’s office and Detroit’s City Council(or whatever it is called) and charges you with developing a plan to revitalizethe blighted/abandoned areas. Here's your chance... what is your plan? (It must be legal.) fire every public employee and politician in the city. contract all city services to private contractors. to start... |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:52:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link to thread? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Make it the set for a real life Running Man show. There was a thread on here a while back about what equipment load-out you would want to cross Detroit alone on foot. Link to thread? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1142962_what_guns_would_your_bring_to_traverse_detroit_on_foot_at_night_during_a_small_SHTF_.html  |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:53:32 AM EDT
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At minimum, it would consolidate a certain class of people in a finite area.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:55:08 AM EDT
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. In fact, I had an idea a while ago for a Reality TV Show set in Detroit, the premise being transferring a whole village of Burmese/Nepali/Vietnamese into Detroit and watching them build a thriving community out of the ruins left by our native born ghetto-dwellers. It'd take some of those immigrants about two weeks to turn an neighborhood like that around AFTER you taught them to shoot. A year of being settled by them and it would be a VERY desirable neighborhood. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:56:11 AM EDT
[#28]
how about a 40 min head start.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:56:54 AM EDT
[#29]
I think Corporal Hicks would have an idea.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:57:20 AM EDT
[#30]
Just toss in the towel and walk away. Have all the residents walk North to Canada.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:03:20 AM EDT
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It'd take some of those immigrants about two weeks to turn an neighborhood like that around AFTER you taught them to shoot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. In fact, I had an idea a while ago for a Reality TV Show set in Detroit, the premise being transferring a whole village of Burmese/Nepali/Vietnamese into Detroit and watching them build a thriving community out of the ruins left by our native born ghetto-dwellers. It'd take some of those immigrants about two weeks to turn an neighborhood like that around AFTER you taught them to shoot. I don't think many of them would need any instruction. Some of those SE Asian types are deceptively bad-ass. Part of the fun would be seeing a pack of ghetto-thug teens set on the old Burmese/Vietnamese dudes and get their asses kicked. Watching the Burmese trapping and eating their pitbulls would be hilarious as well. My idea was that they could flood the foundations of razed homes and use them to farm carp. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:04:40 AM EDT
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OK. Imagine thatARFCOM Central grants you complete control over the Mayor’s office and Detroit’s City Council(or whatever it is called) and charges you with developing a plan to revitalizethe blighted/abandoned areas. Dramatically reduce tax rates, dramatically shrink the borders of the city, cut extraneous services, relax or eliminate zoning laws, sell all public works that are not directly related to providing a pure public good to the people of the city. Any available money after that gets split between the cops and infrastructure investment |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:06:42 AM EDT
[#33]
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No. The city has to produce something more than it is taking to revitalize. I guarantee the people moving into those homes are not going to produce anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"40 acres and a mule" revisited in Detroit as "1/2 acre/house" in trade for a 5 year commitment to live on the property. Would it help revitalize the city? Discuss. No. The city has to produce something more than it is taking to revitalize. I guarantee the people moving into those homes are not going to produce anything. I beg to differ. I am fairly certain that they will in fact contribute to crime statistics. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:07:26 AM EDT
[#34]
Bulldoze10 blocks of abandoned houses into a big pile.
Set ablaze. After a week to burn and cool, cover thickly with topsoil and plant grass and flowers. Repeat as needed until you get to city hall. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:08:45 AM EDT
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Detroit would be a great place to roll out a large-scale urban homesteading program where people receive property tax abatements for razing and redeveloping. It isn't like the current residents are paying their taxes anyway. It would also be a great place to establish large communities of refugees, considering that whole subdivisions are abandoned and at a nearly Third World level of disrepair anyway. In fact, I had an idea a while ago for a Reality TV Show set in Detroit, the premise being transferring a whole village of Burmese/Nepali/Vietnamese into Detroit and watching them build a thriving community out of the ruins left by our native born ghetto-dwellers. I would watch. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:12:21 AM EDT
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OK. Imagine thatARFCOM Central grants you complete control over the Mayor’s office and Detroit’s City Council(or whatever it is called) and charges you with developing a plan to revitalizethe blighted/abandoned areas. Here's your chance... what is your plan? (It must be legal.) Well, in Louisville a large portion of Section 8 housing was bulldozed, so we'll start there. Granted, it was because black mold (the spore and lethally toxic kind, keep with me) was growing due to people being slobs. So we start will asking FedDC for some killdozers and tanks like they used in Waco. Level whole blocks of uninhabited, blighted, potentially lethal housing. Then send a message out that any properties that look like that will be taken care of as sectors of the city on a weekly basis (in a "The beating will commence until morale improves" kind of way). Ensure it is clear that new buildings are not immediately going up. Either they clean up or they GTFO. Repeat as necessary. After the mass exodus of FSA (you really think they will take pride in their community enough to save it? I don't), and subsequent mass exodus of a particular voting block, fire the mayor and city council and hold emergency elections. Tack everything prior on all democratic candidates, including said killdozings. Watch as Republicans take back over the city and try to fix it right. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:14:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you can't get individuals to move in and become productive, what do you do? Maybe bulldoze and sell off? The problem is, even going back 15 years ago, the city does not have the money to pay for bulldozing the abandoned houses. The latest stat that I have seen is 78,000 houses are abandoned and that isn't counting the tens of thousands of houses that are forclosures with a listing price of $2,000 to $5,000. I was looking at real estate in Detroit near the college I went to. I can get a 1,600 sq ft historic home in good condition for $16,000, yet that house isn't selling. The fact that houses like that are sitting there and that no developer is snatching up all the $2,000 foreclosures should tell you that the politics and corruption in the city government is absolutely terrible. To the point where a $2,000 house is not even worth it.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:16:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK. Imagine thatARFCOM Central grants you complete control over the Mayor’s office and Detroit’s City Council(or whatever it is called) and charges you with developing a plan to revitalizethe blighted/abandoned areas. Here's your chance... what is your plan? (It must be legal.) Ramp up the handouts, make it a free-shit-haven. Fund one way busing from other, nicer places taking FSA members to the free-shit utopia awaiting them in Detroit. Feed them from the backs of deuce and a halfs. Concentrate them to mitigate the effect they have on nice places. The "donor communities" would help fund the operation...believe me. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:17:10 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OK. Imagine thatARFCOM Central grants you complete control over the Mayor’s office and Detroit’s City Council(or whatever it is called) and charges you with developing a plan to revitalizethe blighted/abandoned areas. Here's your chance... what is your plan? (It must be legal.) Sorry, you are white so no deal will ever be made with you. Seriously the Detroit city council is that racist. If they did make a deal with you then you would have to hire a minority contractor from the city to do the work. Oh, there is only 1 minority contractor that does that type of work and he is charging 100 times more than a non-minority contractor you found? Tough, you will use the minority contractor or there is no deal. Welcome to Detroit because that is how they operate and why they have driven the city so far into the ground despite building 2 new stadiums and 3 new casino's.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:19:05 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
OK. Imagine thatARFCOM Central grants you complete control over the Mayor’s office and Detroit’s City Council(or whatever it is called) and charges you with developing a plan to revitalizethe blighted/abandoned areas. Here's your chance... what is your plan? (It must be legal.) Are we really trying to fix Detroit or just use it as bait to get undesirables in one place? Because if you are trying to fix it, any plan other than "give the locals $1million each" is going to be shot down by said locals as "that's just a racist plan to steal Detroit from the people who are entitled to it." |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:22:18 AM EDT
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The problem with Detroit isn't the crime, lack of services, unemployment, illiteracy, isolation, etc. Detroit's problem is the leaches. Sure, a productive person could go there, get some cheap land and probably build a nice life for themselves, but the leaches won't let that happen. The second anyone shows up with anything more than pocket change and a little bit of initiative every bum from the street corner to city hall is going to be there with their hand out demanding their fair share.
Until that changes Detroit is DOA. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:23:47 AM EDT
[#42]
The living on the 1/2 acre part is easy, it's the getting the FSA to pay property taxes and not burn shit down part that gets a little goofy......
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:24:08 AM EDT
[#43]
We could make it a urban training area for the DoD.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:29:51 AM EDT
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"40 acres and a mule" revisited in Detroit as "1/2 acre/house" in trade for a 5 year commitment to live on the property. Would it help revitalize the city? Discuss. Detroit is dead, only GOD could resurrect Detroit and I don't even think he would waste his time, since the city would only die of the cancer of corruption again in another 20 year so. Between the riots in the 1960's and Coleman Young this city has been doomed to fail and die. Really once the whites started to flee Detroit it was all over but the dying. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:34:11 AM EDT
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I've heard stories of people trying to buy property in Detroit for next to nothing, thinking it would be a good investment, only to find out that there's rediculous property taxes owed on the property. If that didn't wipe them out, then as soon as they fixed the place up it gets robbed/stripped of anything of value, and then the fire department starts fining you because it's a fire hazard.
No way in hell would anyone in their right mind buy property in Detroit right now. There needs to be a leadership change before it will ever become viable again. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:34:13 AM EDT
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Detroit is dead, only GOD could resurrect Detroit and I don't even think he would waste his time, since the city would only die of the cancer of corruption again in another 20 year so. Between the riots in the 1960's and Coleman Young this city has been doomed to fail and die. Really once the whites started to flee Detroit it was all over but the dying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"40 acres and a mule" revisited in Detroit as "1/2 acre/house" in trade for a 5 year commitment to live on the property. Would it help revitalize the city? Discuss. Detroit is dead, only GOD could resurrect Detroit and I don't even think he would waste his time, since the city would only die of the cancer of corruption again in another 20 year so. Between the riots in the 1960's and Coleman Young this city has been doomed to fail and die. Really once the whites started to flee Detroit it was all over but the dying. We could give it to Israel. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:38:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: "40 acres and a mule" revisited in Detroit as "1/2 acre/house" in trade for a 5 year commitment to live on the property. Would it help revitalize the city? Discuss. Ideally, I'd say offer the lots to folks leaving the .mil after four years honorable service.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:40:53 AM EDT
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We could make it a urban training area for the DoD. My sentiments exactly. Why invade another country and ship our soldiers half way around the world to learn urban combat when you have such a fine training ground here? You wouldn't even need fencing and you could run live fire 24/7. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:42:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We could give it to Israel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "40 acres and a mule" revisited in Detroit as "1/2 acre/house" in trade for a 5 year commitment to live on the property. Would it help revitalize the city? Discuss. Detroit is dead, only GOD could resurrect Detroit and I don't even think he would waste his time, since the city would only die of the cancer of corruption again in another 20 year so. Between the riots in the 1960's and Coleman Young this city has been doomed to fail and die. Really once the whites started to flee Detroit it was all over but the dying. We could give it to Israel. Then we'd be pumping even more money into it than we are now. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:52:29 AM EDT
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Lease it t o the military for mout with live munitions.
Let the Air Force bomb sections to test the accuracy of guided munitions Let arty shell it Let the military level it. Then use it to train the EOD guys to clean it up. Then bulldoze the remains and start rebuilding |
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