Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
Member Login

Posted: 12/1/2007 6:04:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/1/2007 6:04:47 PM EDT by fossil_fuel]
The primary process is idiotic. All states should vote at the same time.


By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press Writer
Sat Dec 1, 12:00 PM ET

VIENNA, Va. - Democratic leaders voted Saturday to strip Michigan of all its delegates to the national convention next year as punishment for scheduling an early presidential primary in violation of party rules.

In spite of the vote, some party leaders and officials said they believed the delegates would eventually be seated at the convention.

Michigan, with 156 delegates, has scheduled a Jan. 15 primary. Democratic Party rules prohibit states other than Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina from holding nominating contests before Feb. 5. Florida was hit with a similar penalty in August for scheduling a Jan. 29 primary.

Michigan officials anticipated the action by the Democratic National Committee's rules panel. But Michigan Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer said before the vote that he didn't think the delegates would be lost for good. He expects the nominee will insist the state's delegates be seated at the convention.

Saturday's vote further diminishes the significance of Michigan's Democratic primary. All the major Democratic candidates have already agreed not to campaign in either Michigan or Florida because the states violated party rules. And in Michigan, most of the major candidates won't even be on the ballot.

Democratic candidates John Edwards, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson and Joe Biden have withdrawn their names from the ballot to satisfy Iowa and New Hampshire, which were unhappy Michigan was challenging their leadoff status on the primary calendar.

That leaves Hillary Rodham Clinton, Dennis Kucinich, Chris Dodd, Mike Gravel and "uncommitted," as the choices on the Democratic ballot in Michigan.

The DNC rules panel voted by voice vote, with only a few dissents.

Michigan officials defended their early primary, saying it helps provide geographic, racial and economic diversity early in the primary calendar. They also complained that other states that were allowed to hold early votes were receiving preferential treatment.

"I think it is unconscionable that we continue to grant special treatment to some states in this process," Brewer told the DNC rules panel.

Alexis Herman, co-chair of the DNC rules panel, said party leaders worked for two years to create a primary calendar that respected the historic roles of Iowa and New Hampshire, while adding geographic and racial diversity by allowing Nevada and South Carolina to vote early.

Other panel members sympathized with Michigan, but they said they must enforce the rules.

"While we may not like the rules, if we don't respect the rules, then we are going to have chaos," said committee member Yvonne Gates of Nevada.

Both political parties have been struggling to control their chaotic calendars.

The Republicans have stripped half the delegates from New Hampshire, Florida, South Carolina, Michigan and Wyoming for scheduling early primaries and caucuses. Republican rules don't allow any states to hold nominating contests before Feb. 5.

The Republicans, however, haven't set any restrictions on campaigning in states that violate party rules. That has some Democrats concerned that they could lose votes in Florida, the fourth largest state, and Michigan, the eighth largest.

Former DNC Chairman Don Fowler, a member of the rules panel, said stripping the delegates from Michigan and Florida — and prohibiting candidates from campaigning there during the primaries — will hurt party-building efforts in those states.

Fowler also said that stripping the delegates was unnecessary, since many party insiders believe that the eventual nominee will have them restored at the convention.

"No one at this table believes that the delegates from Florida and Michigan will be absent from the convention," Fowler told the rules panel.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., said in a statement: "The threat not to seat the delegates of Michigan and Florida at the Democratic convention is a hollow threat. They will be seated, and when they are, it will be plain for all to see that the privileged position that New Hampshire and Iowa have extracted through threats and pledges from candidates is on its last legs."

Under convention rules, a credentials committee controlled by the presidential candidate with the most delegates will verify the legitimacy of delegates.

With Florida and Michigan stripped of delegates, Democratic candidates will now need support from at least 2,026 delegates to secure the nomination.

The panel gave Michigan officials 30 days to change their minds and schedule a later vote, but Brewer said the state will stick with Jan. 15.

Debbie Dingell, a DNC member from Michigan, said the state party will work for the party's nominee, regardless of the delegate flap.

"Michigan will pull together," Dingell said. "We know how to fight."

With the DNC's work Saturday, the primary calendar appears to be set. The panel approved some final shifting of early contests, approving the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, the New Hampshire primary on Jan. 8, and the South Carolina primary on Jan. 26. The Nevada caucuses had already been approved for Jan. 19. The panel also gave final approval for Massachusetts to move its primary from March 4 to Feb. 5.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:06:12 PM EDT

It takes a Democrat to run a plantation.

Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:07:19 PM EDT
Maybe they can get all the union members to strike in protest.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:14:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/1/2007 6:15:55 PM EDT by SouthHoof]

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
The primary process is idiotic. All states should vote at the same time.

Agreed the process is idiotic.

I believe, though, there should be 4 dates for primaries. A relatively equally divided number of states spread over the 4. Each election year each group of states should be rotated so to a different date.

Alas, that makes sense & there is no damn way that will be allowed in the political process.

As for the pulled deligates from MI.....pfffft it's the Klinton machine flexing it muscles. It also tell just how anemic Karl Levin (socialist senator) is as he was the top player trying to get our primary moved.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:15:38 PM EDT
Does anyone have a concise explanation of WTF the point of all this is?
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 7:06:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By madmathew:
Does anyone have a concise explanation of WTF the point of all this is?

The DNC wants to control the timing of the primaries so that it's not all decided too early. If The Beast loses in early primaries, they want to give her and all the mainstream media outlets as much time as possible for damage-control.

Top Top