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Posted: 12/3/2007 12:00:34 PM EDT
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3. You cannot name a person or any individual or any nation as your definition.

You must define the word socialism in your own words according to your own understanding right now.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:01:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 12:02:18 PM EDT by Maxwell71]
Control you

allow you to have what they think you need.
No more than that.

Lack of freedom.


Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:03:13 PM EDT
Holding mock elections that require people to believe they are voting for candidates who represent their values and belies, then allowing elected individuals to hold whatever power they want with no regard for the people
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:03:14 PM EDT
When your freedom and hard earned money is taken for the supposed greater good...
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:03:21 PM EDT
Extortion from some to insure votes from others.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:04:06 PM EDT
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?

Socialist: When things are done for the social good, run amuck. The opposite of a free market and independence.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:04:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 12:05:23 PM EDT by scuba_ed]
Nothing is mine.

Nothing is yours.

It's all ours. Which means it's theirs!
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:05:08 PM EDT
cowardice breeding failure
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:05:47 PM EDT
Clinton, Bush, (both sets) US, EU, Venezuela, Cuba

Oh, and socialists only care about results, not how they got there, they don't give a damn about rules if they are in their way (why I violated yours)
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:06:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?

Socialist: When things are done for the social good, run amuck. The opposite of a free market and independence.



Big government ownership of services Vs. Government just controlling coporations.


Think of Facism as corporatism. Hitler said it "Why own it when you can just control it."
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:06:21 PM EDT
Socialism is synonymous with the word failure.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:09:18 PM EDT
arfcom definition: anyone to the left of me.

if you're *really* left of me, you're a communist
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:09:28 PM EDT
Making everyone equal by making sure they have nothing.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:09:59 PM EDT
I would say Big Brother getting involved in our personal lives. Telling us how to live, telling us how to think. Not being able to own our own property . National health care and of course, not being able to own a firearm.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:10:16 PM EDT
Socialism is government mandated wealth redistribution and class-melding, while private property is still possible, and with elected Government.

Communism is the same as above, though sans private property, and sans elected government.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:10:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 12:10:52 PM EDT by Paveway_]
The good/interests/will of the many out weigh the rights and interests of the few/individual

Want a socialist environment? The military. Needs of the service come first. Mission comes first, lives and rights of the men come a distant second.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:10:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 12:10:47 PM EDT by MisterWilson]

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?

Socialist: When things are done for the social good, run amuck. The opposite of a free market and independence.



Big government ownership of services Vs. Government just controlling coporations.


Think of Facism as corporatism. Hitler said it "Why own it when you can just control it."


So what is it called when instead of the government running business, business runs the government? Msicaf?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:10:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?



Socialism is an economic philosophy where as Fascim is a philosophy that encompasses the entire scope of the society and requires an autocratic dictator where as socialism does not.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:10:37 PM EDT
Communism with more patience.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:10:38 PM EDT
social and economic equality, except for those running the country

no free market, no private property, property belongs to society for all to use and enjoy.

opposite of capitalism.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:10:41 PM EDT
Gov = Shepherd
population = Sheep

You get the picture
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:11:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 12:14:32 PM EDT by Dave_A]
The use of government power to manipulate or control economic activity, with the intent of preventing or restraining the natural operation of the laws of economics for the ostensible good of society, with the caveat that government action that ensures the operation of the laws of economics (such as Anti-Trust legislation), and taxation intended purely to pay for the cost of government is NOT socialism...

Examples would include:

1) Welfare
2) Tariffs & Production Subsidies
3) Price & wage floors or cielings (to include any sort of minimum wage)
4) Government control or nationalization of any industry or sector of the economy
5) Legislation or regulation enacted with the intent of forcing employers to hire more employees than would normally be done under deregulated conditions (such as 30hr work weeks, 6hr work days)...
6) Legislation requiring employers to provide any sort of benefit or compensation to employees above and beyond monetary wages.


P.S. The above is 100% original, 100% top-of-my-head... I'm sure I missed one or two items...
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:12:27 PM EDT
slavery to the government
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:13:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?

Socialist: When things are done for the social good, run amuck. The opposite of a free market and independence.



Big government ownership of services Vs. Government just controlling coporations.


Think of Facism as corporatism. Hitler said it "Why own it when you can just control it."


So what is it called when instead of the government running business, business runs the government? Msicaf?



Lobbying?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:14:38 PM EDT
I challange the premise of the title, which implies that individuals can define socialism for themselves, therefore there are multiple definitions of socialism.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:15:19 PM EDT
Medicare, Social Security, Welfare.

Do I think socialism is a bad thing? When left in the hands of the federal government I do, but handled at a local or state level I am fine with it.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:15:35 PM EDT
To each, according to their need.
From each, according to their ability.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:16:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?

Socialist: When things are done for the social good, run amuck. The opposite of a free market and independence.



Big government ownership of services Vs. Government just controlling coporations.


Think of Facism as corporatism. Hitler said it "Why own it when you can just control it."


So what is it called when instead of the government running business, business runs the government? Msicaf?


The Bush Administration.

Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:16:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 12:16:57 PM EDT by NoVaGator]

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?

Socialist: When things are done for the social good, run amuck. The opposite of a free market and independence.



Big government ownership of services Vs. Government just controlling coporations.


Think of Facism as corporatism. Hitler said it "Why own it when you can just control it."


So what is it called when instead of the government running business, business runs the government? Msicaf?


corporatism (sort of)
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:17:52 PM EDT
Fascism is privately owned property controlled by the government.

Think Mussolini in Italy during WWII.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:20:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nate1865:
I challange the premise of the title, which implies that individuals can define socialism for themselves, therefore there are multiple definitions of socialism.


No, there is one definition of socialism. I want to see if you know what that definition is, or have a pretty close idea as to what it is without you looking up the actual definition.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:24:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?

Socialist: When things are done for the social good, run amuck. The opposite of a free market and independence.


No difference. Thats why the Germans wer called "Nazis" - short for NATIONAL SOCIALISM.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:25:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By nate1865:
I challange the premise of the title, which implies that individuals can define socialism for themselves, therefore there are multiple definitions of socialism.


No, there is one definition of socialism. I want to see if you know what that definition is, or have a pretty close idea as to what it is without you looking up the actual definition.


I agree!

In our post modern way of thinking, people try to define their own reality and anything can mean anything they want it to.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:26:01 PM EDT
Redistribution of wealth and property for the "collective good". Equality through misery. Oppression.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:26:18 PM EDT
Is retardism a word?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:27:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rick-OShay:

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?

Socialist: When things are done for the social good, run amuck. The opposite of a free market and independence.


No difference. Thats why the Germans wer called "Nazis" - short for NATIONAL SOCIALISM.


What the Germans called National Socialism was not socialism. It was Fascism. Several key elements of socialism were not present in Nazi Germany.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:28:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?

Socialist: When things are done for the social good, run amuck. The opposite of a free market and independence.



Big government ownership of services Vs. Government just controlling coporations.


Think of Facism as corporatism. Hitler said it "Why own it when you can just control it."


So what is it called when instead of the government running business, business runs the government? Msicaf?



"CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM"
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:30:11 PM EDT
The gov't takes your income, and redistributes it therby equalizing your income. In the end, those who make more will work less and thereby all income eventually becomes equal. Total productivity will decrease as slacking off will be the key to equalizing fairness to the reduced income you now receive.

The whole pie eventually disappears as workers don't produce.


Look at Communist Russia!
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:30:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Rick-OShay:

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?

Socialist: When things are done for the social good, run amuck. The opposite of a free market and independence.


No difference. Thats why the Germans wer called "Nazis" - short for NATIONAL SOCIALISM.


What the Germans called National Socialism was not socialism. It was Fascism. Several key elements of socialism were not present in Nazi Germany.



R - I - G - H - T ...
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:33:34 PM EDT
Creating a level "playing field" by taking from the contributors of society and giving to those who do not (but can) contribute. Would-be socialists feel justified in their Robin Hood-esque ideology because it sounds good to the deadbeats and ensures an on-going position of power for the socialist. The ultimate goal is a centrally controlled, all-powerful government.

Blake
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:36:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?


Fascism is pragmatic socialism.

In true socialism, everyone works for the common good. There is no private property--all ownership is communal, at least with respect to the means of production. Fascism allows private ownership, but under fascism production is controlled for the greater good.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:38:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 12:39:48 PM EDT by Rick-OShay]

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Rick-OShay:

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?

Socialist: When things are done for the social good, run amuck. The opposite of a free market and independence.


No difference. Thats why the Germans wer called "Nazis" - short for NATIONAL SOCIALISM.


What the Germans called National Socialism was not socialism. It was Fascism. Several key elements of socialism were not present in Nazi Germany.


R - I - G - H - T ...

...just like all those "Communist" countires failed because they "...didn't really impliment pure communism. Nice try. "Nazism" was marketed, and implimented, as a socialist alternative to Marxism. SOme industries they nationalized. Other industries they didn't bother - they just told you what you would produce and who and how many would produce it - or up against the wall. The results were, in effect, socialism. Just like the name sez...
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:39:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Blake:
Creating a level "playing field" by taking from the contributors of society and giving to those who do not (but can) contribute. The ultimate goal is a centrally controlled, all-powerful government.

Blake


Well said, but you left out,


leaving a small core of I've got mines who are in control and who don't participate in the TAX. Wealthy Dem's do this now through "Foundations" which pass on their wealth with out tax. These same Dem's shout about the need to confiscate more while using more energy and paying little tax and wasting more resources than any ten thousand who participate in the tax paying.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:40:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:46:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jrock82:
Medicare, Social Security, Welfare.

Do I think socialism is a bad thing? When left in the hands of the federal government I do, but handled at a local or state level I am fine with it.


Socialism always has two inherent problem:

1) Incentives (or the lack of).

2) Lack of information (no feedback mechinism).

The thing about incentives is: true socialism provides no incentive to produce, only an incentive to consume. This was even obvious on a small scale with the initial English colonies in America, where food was a communial property (and consequently so was starvation). For this reason, we have few examples of "true socialism", since experiments like the USSR quickly fold into something else (let's call this "other thing" fascism for the time being).

The thing about information is that under socialism there is no money (or, like in the USSR there is money but prices are set by the government). Without real money and a relationship between price and demand, producers don't know what is wanted/needed, and consumers don't know what is in short supply. Essentially, in a functioning market prices provide a feedback loop for producers, and socialism breaks this loop.

Socialism is ALWAYS a bad thing.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:47:05 PM EDT
Socialists ( Lefties...Democrats...Progressives );

All want simply to save the world

With YOUR money

Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:50:17 PM EDT
Socialism = compassion by proxy
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:51:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rick-OShay:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Rick-OShay:

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:
And can someone clarify the difference between Socialist & Fascist for me?

Socialist: When things are done for the social good, run amuck. The opposite of a free market and independence.


No difference. Thats why the Germans wer called "Nazis" - short for NATIONAL SOCIALISM.


What the Germans called National Socialism was not socialism. It was Fascism. Several key elements of socialism were not present in Nazi Germany.


R - I - G - H - T ...

...just like all those "Communist" countires failed because they "...didn't really impliment pure communism. Nice try. "Nazism" was marketed, and implimented, as a socialist alternative to Marxism. SOme industries they nationalized. Other industries they didn't bother - they just told you what you would produce and who and how many would produce it - or up against the wall. The results were, in effect, socialism. Just like the name sez...


No, that isn't correct.

First off, the communist countries that failed never made it to communism. Communism is a sort of nirvana for socialism where communal living falls into place without government interaction. Socialism is a step towards communism.

As far as Nazi Germany goes, the state did not own the industries in the state, it did not set wages for employees, it did not prevent private profit and it did not eliminate the ownership of private property (except for Jews, and that was for racist reasons, not economic reasons).

Also, in Nazi Germany everything was controlled by Hitler. Hitler was the sole power in the country and everything below Hitler was an extension of his power. Stalin came close to this in the Soviet Union, but he was not the rule for socialist leaders. In general leaders in the Soviet Union were presidents of the party, but the PARTY was the ultimate power. Kruschev, Brezhnev and Gorbachev were all limited by having to keep the party bosses happy and not straying too far from the party's approval. Hitler was completely unrestricted in his power over Germany.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:53:01 PM EDT
Contempt for the able.

Or,

Pure unadulterated evil.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:54:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 357mag:
Socialism = compassion by proxy



Look at Al Gore, he travels the world preaching about how YOU should conserve resources and how you should feel honored to give to the poor through higher taxes; all the while living in multiple big houses and flying in private planes and utilizing tax loop holes.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:57:11 PM EDT
Define socialism? Easy. The state of our nation the day after Hillary Clinton takes the oath as POTUS.
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