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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:10:13 AM EDT
Cody Wilson and Defense Distributed are at it again
 This time it's an Open Source CNC mill for finishing 80% Receivers called the Ghost Gunner.  oh, and Fuck DeLeon and Fuck California ....and That other guy too  |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:14:51 AM EDT
[#1]
I can't wait for the day when full strength metal 3d printers are cheap enough for home use. The technology exists, it's now just a matter of time.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:16:15 AM EDT
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I can't wait for the day when full strength metal 3d printers are cheap enough for home use. The technology exists, it's now just a matter of time. When that happens, you'll need an FFL to make your own firearms. I'm not saying it's right, but that's what will happen. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:19:03 AM EDT
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Dude doesn't realize, you can not stop an idea. Freedom, it is a very powerful idea.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:22:04 AM EDT
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Governments way more oppressive than ours couldn't stop information from spreading when monks had to write books by hand.
The thought that a government could do it in this day in age is beyond laughable. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:25:18 AM EDT
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Oh my God........Do want........
 ...Game changer....
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:26:45 AM EDT
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Very interesting concept. The 80% market seems to be doing well.
I wish them well. I just hope they dont get fucked over by the 'guns are icky' crowd. Video is well worth watching, but now I am on another 'list'. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:29:35 AM EDT
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Oh my God........Do want........ ...Game changer....Not sure how it's a game changer...you can do one yourself with a drill press and a jig for very likely a hell of a lot less than that cnc will run. Unless it's cutting them out of billet, I don't see the novelty. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:30:52 AM EDT
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When that happens, you'll need an FFL to make your own firearms. I'm not saying it's right, but that's what will happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can't wait for the day when full strength metal 3d printers are cheap enough for home use. The technology exists, it's now just a matter of time. When that happens, you'll need an FFL to make your own firearms. I'm not saying it's right, but that's what will happen. This is why some are against companies making products and tools so publicly available... the more public attention it gets the more it will get anti gun zealots attention. Just like drones, they existed for decades... but once you start putting them in RTF kits and sell them just about everywhere and any person can buy and fly one... it started attracting laws and attention from everyone else like flies on shit. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:38:31 AM EDT
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Out-fucking-standing. Eat it, Feinstein.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:41:05 AM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:49:32 AM EDT
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It's gonna get interesting when somebody buys one of these and
realizes renting it out to his buddies, etc. is a good way to recoup that $1,500. Political pressure is going to be on ATF to label it as whatever it takes to make it illegal. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:53:56 AM EDT
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It's gonna get interesting when somebody buys one of these and realizes renting it out to his buddies, etc. is a good way to recoup that $1,500. Political pressure is going to be on ATF to label it as whatever it takes to make it illegal. IIRC, that's already been done, and the guy doing it was shut down by BATFE for manufacturing without an FFL. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:01:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC, that's already been done, and the guy doing it was shut down by BATFE for manufacturing without an FFL. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's gonna get interesting when somebody buys one of these and realizes renting it out to his buddies, etc. is a good way to recoup that $1,500. Political pressure is going to be on ATF to label it as whatever it takes to make it illegal. IIRC, that's already been done, and the guy doing it was shut down by BATFE for manufacturing without an FFL. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:02:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC, that's already been done, and the guy doing it was shut down by BATFE for manufacturing without an FFL. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's gonna get interesting when somebody buys one of these and realizes renting it out to his buddies, etc. is a good way to recoup that $1,500. Political pressure is going to be on ATF to label it as whatever it takes to make it illegal. IIRC, that's already been done, and the guy doing it was shut down by BATFE for manufacturing without an FFL. This is a small, portable mill. The owner can easily loan it to a friend , who takes it home and mill out his lower. Then it gets passed on to another guy , and so on. So there is no central location for finishing lowers. Any home, any place can be a little machine shop. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:03:50 PM EDT
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2014 - Defense Distrbuted - The Ghost Gunner - Pending DoD approval for public release What's up with that? Didn't he run afoul of ITAR by making the design files for the plastic gun available on the internet? Looks like this machine is only shipping to the US and uses a proprietary open file format. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:05:23 PM EDT
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IIRC, that's already been done, and the guy doing it was shut down by BATFE for manufacturing without an FFL. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's gonna get interesting when somebody buys one of these and realizes renting it out to his buddies, etc. is a good way to recoup that $1,500. Political pressure is going to be on ATF to label it as whatever it takes to make it illegal. IIRC, that's already been done, and the guy doing it was shut down by BATFE for manufacturing without an FFL. Yes but that was a stationary CNC machine and it stayed at the "manufacturer's" place and he would let people push the start button IIRC. He was renting time on the machine. This machine could travel...a much harder sell that the owner is manufacturing without an FFL. The AK forum has a traveling bending jig that turns sheet metal into AK receivers. The largest likely problem with the plan is that this mill is likely on the light duty side and would need lots of maintenance for anyone that planned to rent it out for money. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:05:31 PM EDT
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A guy here in michigan did it for a while. Had the ok from the ATF, got really popular, then the ATF shut them down.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:10:06 PM EDT
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1,000 bucks. Call a couple buddies and it seems like it would be well worth it. Neat video as well.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:10:43 PM EDT
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This is why some are against companies making products and tools so publicly available... the more public attention it gets the more it will get anti gun zealots attention. Just like drones, they existed for decades... but once you start putting them in RTF kits and sell them just about everywhere and any person can buy and fly one... it started attracting laws and attention from everyone else like flies on shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can't wait for the day when full strength metal 3d printers are cheap enough for home use. The technology exists, it's now just a matter of time. When that happens, you'll need an FFL to make your own firearms. I'm not saying it's right, but that's what will happen. This is why some are against companies making products and tools so publicly available... the more public attention it gets the more it will get anti gun zealots attention. Just like drones, they existed for decades... but once you start putting them in RTF kits and sell them just about everywhere and any person can buy and fly one... it started attracting laws and attention from everyone else like flies on shit. Why does this post not surprise me. Yea, let's dictate our lives, our freedoms, our creativity, our ingenuity around the feelings of illogical zealots. Do you even freedom bro, or do you ask for permission first? Also, see tag line |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:10:45 PM EDT
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If it could do easily engraving, it would really sell.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:11:51 PM EDT
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This is no different than me borrowing jigs from a friend.
Renting out time in a shop with the program already in is a bit harder to justify. Although I personally am more than fine with this. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:13:41 PM EDT
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1,000 bucks. Call a couple buddies and it seems like it would be well worth it. Neat video as well. Get 5-10 people together for a "build party" and it could certainly be interesting. At the end of the day you could draw a name out of a hat to see who gets to keep it.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:16:21 PM EDT
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Yes but that was a stationary CNC machine and it stayed at the "manufacturer's" place and he would let people push the start button IIRC. He was renting time on the machine. This machine could travel...a much harder sell that the owner is manufacturing without an FFL. The AK forum has a traveling bending jig that turns sheet metal into AK receivers. The largest likely problem with the plan is that this mill is likely on the light duty side and would need lots of maintenance for anyone that planned to rent it out for money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's gonna get interesting when somebody buys one of these and realizes renting it out to his buddies, etc. is a good way to recoup that $1,500. Political pressure is going to be on ATF to label it as whatever it takes to make it illegal. IIRC, that's already been done, and the guy doing it was shut down by BATFE for manufacturing without an FFL. Yes but that was a stationary CNC machine and it stayed at the "manufacturer's" place and he would let people push the start button IIRC. He was renting time on the machine. This machine could travel...a much harder sell that the owner is manufacturing without an FFL. The AK forum has a traveling bending jig that turns sheet metal into AK receivers. The largest likely problem with the plan is that this mill is likely on the light duty side and would need lots of maintenance for anyone that planned to rent it out for money. I think it's an awesome idea but I'm curious to see just how many lowers this thing is good for. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:20:57 PM EDT
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Most interesting thing I've seen in weeks. Curiosity piqued.
ETA - Video made my head hurt, though.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:24:30 PM EDT
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   Fuck sweinstein , fuck holder ,fuck the ATF and FBHO |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:27:14 PM EDT
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This is a small, portable mill. The owner can easily loan it to a friend , who takes it home and mill out his lower. Then it gets passed on to another guy , and so on. So there is no central location for finishing lowers. Any home, any place can be a little machine shop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's gonna get interesting when somebody buys one of these and realizes renting it out to his buddies, etc. is a good way to recoup that $1,500. Political pressure is going to be on ATF to label it as whatever it takes to make it illegal. IIRC, that's already been done, and the guy doing it was shut down by BATFE for manufacturing without an FFL. This is a small, portable mill. The owner can easily loan it to a friend , who takes it home and mill out his lower. Then it gets passed on to another guy , and so on. So there is no central location for finishing lowers. Any home, any place can be a little machine shop. It needs to be programed to do multiple things. Rent it out by the day. "Do you want to rent my paperweight machining mill?" Or better yet, the mill has no program and you need to download a program to a usb stick from some website for whatever you want to make. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:30:32 PM EDT
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So if you bring this to a gun show and let people pay to machine their lowers themselves, would all be well in the eyes of the ATF? They would be doing it themselves, so it's not like you could get hit for manufacturing for them.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:31:55 PM EDT
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It's gonna get interesting when somebody buys one of these and realizes renting it out to his buddies, etc. is a good way to recoup that $1,500. Political pressure is going to be on ATF to label it as whatever it takes to make it illegal. It already got interesting. A lot of local machinists hosting build parties got a BATFE visit. Now tooling is becoming affordable. http://www.modulusarms.com/modulus-arms-universal-ar-15-80-lower-receiver-jig/ This and the mini mill....
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:35:42 PM EDT
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holy shit they used gnossienne in the video, I'm sold
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:40:10 PM EDT
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You can't stop the signal.
I would buy one. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:43:31 PM EDT
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What's up with that? Didn't he run afoul of ITAR this Administration who used ITAR to shut him down by making the design files for the plastic gun available on the internet? Looks like this machine is only shipping to the US and uses a proprietary open file format. Quote HistoryQuoted:
2014 - Defense Distrbuted - The Ghost Gunner - Pending DoD approval for public release What's up with that? Didn't he run afoul of ITAR this Administration who used ITAR to shut him down by making the design files for the plastic gun available on the internet? Looks like this machine is only shipping to the US and uses a proprietary open file format. FIFY. Cory is good people - and obviously not going to quit. This should work on a properly inletted piece of wood, too. 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:45:41 PM EDT
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Get a PO Box in another state.
Get a pre-paid debit card. Hire some homeless guy to pick it up.... What could go wrong? |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:46:36 PM EDT
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Wait until they start making them out of blocks of metal, then you will see some heads explode.
And it will be glorious. I love when technology outdates laws. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:47:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:52:21 PM EDT
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Get a PO Box in another state. Get a pre-paid debit card. Hire some homeless guy to pick it up.... What could go wrong? 2nd day air to "insert any company name here". Use the UPS serve center closest to you as the delivery address. Call them and ask them to hold it for you to come pick up. 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:52:44 PM EDT
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Why does this post not surprise me. Yea, let's dictate our lives, our freedoms, our creativity, our ingenuity around the feelings of illogical zealots. Do you even freedom bro, or do you ask for permission first? Also, see tag line I would love to recommend you a book to read... http://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Book-Intelligent-Touchstone/dp/0671212095 |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:52:56 PM EDT
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I have some limited CNC experience and wonder if the mill could be made capable of machining raw block into a lower? According to the website the machine is capable of deep depths due to the arm design.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:54:43 PM EDT
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Wait until they start making them out of blocks of metal, then you will see some heads explode. And it will be glorious. I love when technology outdates laws. Yup. %80's are too damn expensive for what they are, but if you could feed in some bar stock and end up with a lower that'd be glorious. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:54:44 PM EDT
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Ten people go in on it and jointly own it with equal shares. Thus no issue of renting, loaning, borrowing or any question of ownership.
"I did it myself on my own machine which I own ". |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:55:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why some are against companies making products and tools so publicly available... the more public attention it gets the more it will get anti gun zealots attention. Just like drones, they existed for decades... but once you start putting them in RTF kits and sell them just about everywhere and any person can buy and fly one... it started attracting laws and attention from everyone else like flies on shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I can't wait for the day when full strength metal 3d printers are cheap enough for home use. The technology exists, it's now just a matter of time. When that happens, you'll need an FFL to make your own firearms. I'm not saying it's right, but that's what will happen. This is why some are against companies making products and tools so publicly available... the more public attention it gets the more it will get anti gun zealots attention. Just like drones, they existed for decades... but once you start putting them in RTF kits and sell them just about everywhere and any person can buy and fly one... it started attracting laws and attention from everyone else like flies on shit. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 1:02:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ten people go in on it and jointly own it with equal shares. Thus no issue of renting, loaning, borrowing or any question of ownership. I did it myself on my own machine which I own. That's actually not a bad idea. Unless you're planning on breaking the law, and mass produce lowers, for the hobbyist that does a few the $1500 price is a little steep. Especially when you consider a drill press that can be used for other things is good enough. What am I missing?
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Posted: 10/1/2014 1:06:41 PM EDT
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Want
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Posted: 10/1/2014 1:08:00 PM EDT
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That's actually not a bad idea. Unless you're planning on breaking the law, and mass produce lowers, for the hobbyist that does a few the $1500 price is a little steep. Especially when you consider a drill press that can be used for other things is good enough. What am I missing? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ten people go in on it and jointly own it with equal shares. Thus no issue of renting, loaning, borrowing or any question of ownership. I did it myself on my own machine which I own. That's actually not a bad idea. Unless you're planning on breaking the law, and mass produce lowers, for the hobbyist that does a few the $1500 price is a little steep. Especially when you consider a drill press that can be used for other things is good enough. What am I missing? Plus you could always sell your interest in the thing to someone. 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 1:08:06 PM EDT
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That is pretty cool. Depending on how durable it is I wouldn't mind picking one up.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 1:11:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. %80's are too damn expensive for what they are, but if you could feed in some bar stock and end up with a lower that'd be glorious. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wait until they start making them out of blocks of metal, then you will see some heads explode. And it will be glorious. I love when technology outdates laws. Yup. %80's are too damn expensive for what they are, but if you could feed in some bar stock and end up with a lower that'd be glorious. Possible but not likely. It wouldn't be able to thread the hole for the buffer tube, something that is thankfully already done on an 80% lower. And there would be too many (likely manual) tool changes needed vs just milling out the FCG pocket and drilling the pin holes. The bolt catch pin hole, for example, looks like a real PITA to do in a home shop.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 1:11:17 PM EDT
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That's actually not a bad idea. Unless you're planning on breaking the law, and mass produce lowers, for the hobbyist that does a few the $1500 price is a little steep. Especially when you consider a drill press that can be used for other things is good enough. What am I missing? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ten people go in on it and jointly own it with equal shares. Thus no issue of renting, loaning, borrowing or any question of ownership. I did it myself on my own machine which I own. That's actually not a bad idea. Unless you're planning on breaking the law, and mass produce lowers, for the hobbyist that does a few the $1500 price is a little steep. Especially when you consider a drill press that can be used for other things is good enough. What am I missing? well this mill could also be used for other things nothing wrong with the group ownership though, I think it's a good idea |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 1:11:37 PM EDT
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Yup. %80's are too damn expensive for what they are, but if you could feed in some bar stock and end up with a lower that'd be glorious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait until they start making them out of blocks of metal, then you will see some heads explode. And it will be glorious. I love when technology outdates laws. Yup. %80's are too damn expensive for what they are, but if you could feed in some bar stock and end up with a lower that'd be glorious. Too many tools and processes for a benchtop machine to do. The beauty of this machine is that, if enough people get them, then some people will play with them and start making and distributing new files. Rails, adapters, mounts, grips, etc. Make all kinds of stuff. Consider that a benchtop mini mill is $500-700 already. If you add stepper motors, you get a pseudo-CNC 2-axis for about the same cost as this thing. Presumably, this is a 3-axis machine, and it's in a form package that's much more easily portable. That's incredible. If it has the horsepower and durability to handle large projects (or if the parts are cheap enough to replace as they wear), then something like this could very well be the future of the home machine shop. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 1:11:51 PM EDT
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Also, form a trust and add/remove trustees as needed. ;)
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Posted: 10/1/2014 1:14:42 PM EDT
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fuck that little fascist fuck deleon. fuck him and all his fascist gun grabbing asshole friends.
Freedom over fascism. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 1:25:09 PM EDT
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Possible but not likely. It wouldn't be able to thread the hole for the buffer tube, something that is thankfully already done on an 80% lower. And there would be too many (likely manual) tool changes needed vs just milling out the FCG pocket and drilling the pin holes. The bolt catch pin hole, for example, looks like a real PITA to do in a home shop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait until they start making them out of blocks of metal, then you will see some heads explode. And it will be glorious. I love when technology outdates laws. Yup. %80's are too damn expensive for what they are, but if you could feed in some bar stock and end up with a lower that'd be glorious. Possible but not likely. It wouldn't be able to thread the hole for the buffer tube, something that is thankfully already done on an 80% lower. And there would be too many (likely manual) tool changes needed vs just milling out the FCG pocket and drilling the pin holes. The bolt catch pin hole, for example, looks like a real PITA to do in a home shop. A bolt catch isn't required to have a functional firearm though. All aspects of it could be omitted. |
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