Most people outside the firearms arenas don't know the truth about Mexico's problems with illegal firearms, even some gun owners are clueless of Mexico's firearms laws and the blatant disregard for their law and most are unaware of the type of firearms the Mexican citizens have in spite of a ban in 1968. I find the year of their ban and our 68 Gun Control Act rather interesting in itself. I am sending this article to friends and fellow gun owners to debunk the lie that the US is the source of Mexico's illegal firearms. Their are other articles linked in this story to other stories to bring a greater light to our problems on the border. Its a good read.
I am in fact sending these articles in printed form, via snail mail, to my congress critters. Yea, I know. What good would it do? Well, at least I can say I tried to 'inform' them to the truth, whether they want to believe it is up to them. Some may very well reconsider the 'myths' being passed off by the socialists/liberals in the media. And others will push the Big Lie because it fits their agenda for more power. If there comes a day where necessity pushes the citizens in a different direction; then at least my conscience will be clear that I did all I could to inform my politicians of the truth.
Article's link: http://www.gunnewsdaily.com/rw807.html
You and I Can't Buy the Guns Mexican Cartels Own
The Administration is Not Dealing Straight With Us on Mexico's Gun Problem
March 1 2009
Let's set things straight right up front. Yes, some guns are being smuggled into Mexico from the U.S. Most are handguns. But, handguns are being illegally trafficked from state to state and from the U.S. to Canada. It should come as no surprise that guns are smuggled into Mexico. But, the problem being portrayed by the U.S. media and our government is not as it seems. You see, Mexico doesn't allow ownership of most firearms, so ordinary Mexican people seeking self-protection will find a way to get them into Mexico. As for the drug cartels operating in the border towns along the U.S., they have other sources for their weapons and have become the prime supplier within Mexico.
I worked in Mexico in a border town for about five years. It was far enough from San Diego County in the Sonora Desert of Mexico that commuting several hundred miles daily was impossible. So, for a few years I lived in the city and commuted home periodically on some weekends. As crime grew out of control, I eventually moved into a place on the U.S. side and commuted daily in and out of Mexico for my own safety.
I stayed in Mexico for a Mexican holiday my first year. I don't recall the holiday. Normally, I would leave Mexico for a holiday, but it was in the middle of the week and one day was not long enough to come home. All I know is that on that particular Mexican holiday, Mexicans love to fire guns into the air. That evening as I sat on the balcony of my hotel, the gun fire that erupted in celebration was quite unbelievable. It was so intense I backed off the balcony and watched the festivities from a couple three feet in the room. We're talking war-like firing of weapons, it was that intense.
As I listened that night to the gun fire, I was somewhat shocked at the amount of fully automatic gun fire. It wasn't sporadic. It was continuous throughout the city. For a country that bans guns I thought, how in the world did they get their hands on all these full-auto weapons? Clearly what sounded like M16 fire was prolific along with 7.62 x 39 AK autos with a smattering of smaller caliber full-autos, most likely 9mm. Gun fire can be heard in most American cities on New Years, but I've never heard full-auto weapons being fired, at least not in the San Diego area.
The next day I went into work and sat down with a trusted senior Mexican manager. I looked at him and said, "I thought guns were illegal in Mexico." He chuckled and said, "So you stayed in town last night?" As the conversation progressed, it became clear that guns are as common in Mexico as tamales at Christmas. Everyone he knows, including himself, own at least one gun. And, it matters not whether it's a semi-auto or fully automatic, they're all illegal, so why stop with semi-autos? Though clearly illegal in the states in most instances, a lot of Mexicans have more firepower in terms of military weapons than we can only dream of owning here.
As time went on, parties in the city at middle class Mexican homes become a way of life. Most Mexican managers in the plant knew I was a gun wonk. As it turns out, they couldn't wait to invite me over to their place on a Friday night to show me their collection. Semi-autos, some very high-end Sigs and other European handguns were not uncommon along with piles of old revolvers. I thought I had seen everything in the states, but in Mexico it's not uncommon for people to own full-auto military rifles. Everything from an M16, UZI machine pistols and the most popular, select-fire AK47 military rifles. These are not the so-called "assault weapons" you can buy at the local gun shop in the U.S., but full select-fire military-issue rifles. Now, I know you want to know and are dying to ask; Did I see any U.S. military-issue weapons stolen from the U.S. military? Not a single one was marked with U.S. military markings. Everything was marked with additional foreign markings on the receiver, including M16 rifles, or they had nothing at all. I saw firearms manufactured in Europe, China, Russia and South America along with U.S. manufactured weapons. I saw rifles that looked familiar with no place of manufacture, no serial number or manufacturer's logo. The information was not removed, it was never there to begin with. I can only assume they came from illegal arms manufacturers in India or Pakistan that produce copies of weapons. It was obvious that none of these firearms came from a U.S. gun shop in Tucson or San Diego. You couldn't buy them from a gun shop in the states if you tried.
It seems Mexicans have a rich heritage of firearms ownership prior to the ban in 1968. Despite the laws against owning them, they ignore it. Most Mexicans will say they need it for personal protection of themselves and their family. The other reason is they don't trust the government or local law enforcement. If they have to use it in their home for self-defense, whether they end up in jail is all dependent on how much money they can come up with, or who they know in the government. It also depends on who they shoot. But, given the alternative with high crime rates, most middle class Mexicans willingly and without reservations take the risk. Despite being able to own .22 caliber pistols or rifles, Mexican law requires them to be stored at an approved firing range. Where's the firing range I asked many times? No one knew of one. Where's the gun stores in town to buy legal guns? Gun stores? No one ever recalled seeing one anywhere in Mexico, let alone their city. I'm sure somewhere, maybe in Mexico City you might be able to buy a gun, but not in this city of almost 1.5 million residents. And the gun traffickers know it.
Where do ordinary Mexicans get their weapons? Most buy them from a 'friend' or a friend of a friend or cousin or uncle. Where the friend gets them is not talked about. But, it seems that drug cartels in Mexico are heavily involved in gun trafficking of military weapons and related hardware. And, who are these ordinary Mexicans? They range from people who work in factories as managers and senior managers, government workers, doctors, dentists and anyone with the financial means to buy a firearm. I even ran into a couple of government bureaucrats, one a lawyer for the federal government who owns firearms. He confirmed that people he knew in the government, some very highly ranked bureaucrats and politicians all own illegal firearms. The other works for the Mexican equivalent of the IRS. It's a way of life in Mexico. It seemed to me that you aren't in the 'in-crowd' in Mexico unless you own at least one firearm. I was amazed at the whole thing after believing for years that gun ownership in Mexico was non-existent. That is hardly the case.
All this flies in the face of news articles published by the U.S. media in the last week or two. Mexico's gun problems are a direct result of gun runners buying "assault weapons" in the U.S. and taking them into Mexico to arm drug cartels, says the U.S. media and government. That is a bunch of government and media nonsense. The cartels aren't arming themselves from U.S. gun stores with semi-auto AR15 and AK47 rifles. They've moved on up. Not to completely dismiss arms moving into Mexico from the U.S., but it is not as it seems when the U.S. media tells the story. The firearms moving across the border are semi-auto rifles and handguns sold to middle class or wealthy Mexicans seeking personal protection from criminals that have no connections in Mexico with gun runners. For the most part the wealthy in Mexico are targets of criminal elements, so they have no intention of connecting up with them to buy a self-defense firearm. You're better off buying a weapon from someone within the Mexican government than buying it from the criminal element, namely a drug cartel.
Cartels buy their arms from countries around the world, most any place where military weapons can be purchased on the black market, or from countries wishing to destabilize North America. They arm themselves from a worldwide black market of full auto military weapons including grenades, land mines and RPGs. They also "procure" their weapons from the less than savory from within the Mexican military.
The drug cartels can easily afford to fly their weaponry into Mexico using their own fleet of aircraft on to remote airfields, or land them on remote Mexican shores from their fleet of vessels. They do it with drugs all of the time. Drug cartels buying semi-auto AR15 or AK rifles from U.S. gun dealers is viewed as a joke by Mexico's drug cartel, most Mexicans, and unfortunately by the Mexican government. The only people fooled by all the political rhetoric are Americans listening to the likes of Attorney General Eric Holder and other anti-gun politicians.
Mexico has a gun problem, just like they have a drug problem and both the U.S. and Mexican governments are trying to place the blame on U.S. gun owners. U.S. gun owners aren't the problem. Mexico is the problem. The government is corrupt from the lowest level law enforcement officer shaking down American tourists for traffic violations, to officials and politicians highly placed within the Mexican government, including elements within the military. Everyone knows it. Everyone in Mexico knows it. Every law enforcement official in the U.S. knows it, and everyone in our government knows it. And anyone who has worked for any length of time within border cities and lived in the local community knows it. This is taking a Mexican problem, blaming the U.S. by turning it into a crisis in order further an agenda, and Eric Holder and President Obama knows it and they are taking advantage of it.
The next time you see a news report of illegal full-auto weapons and grenades being found here in the U.S., you know where they came from. It wasn't from a gun store in Tucson or Phoenix. The administration is right that gun trafficking along the U.S./Mexico border is a problem. Not only do we have drugs and illegal aliens coming in our southern border, but we also have military arms and explosives coming into our country illegally as well. That's the issue and our government is being disingenuous in its argument.
This AP news report published today is typical of what is going on. It is disgustingly biased and flat wrong: AP report for Detroit Free Press
Don't believe me and what I say? See what the Latin American Herald is saying about a recent arrest of cartel members and their weaponry in Mexico. No, the items listed weren't purchased at a gun store in Phoenix or Tucson. Grenades and RPGs are illegal in the U.S.: LAH Story
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Latin American Herald Tribune article referenced in the story:
The AP story from the Detroit Free Press that blames the US for Mexico's firearms crimes, etc. In other words the teller of The Big Lie:
Now the latest rhetoric is that 90% of the firearms recovered are "MADE IN THE USA" well I find that hard to believe that the number would be as high, but should it be any shock that the United States is one of the top exporters of firearms to around the globe some of which find their way to the black market? It's a BIG leap to say that all those "MADE IN THE USA" firearms though are being purchased through shaddy FFL's or straw men here in the U.S. then smuggled down to Mexico. Certainly not 90%, which just is such an arbitrary percentage based on nothing really other than some questionable questimation.
Oh, but we can't let actual FACTS interfere with Hillary's pontificating, as reported in this morning's New York Times....
Another way for politicians to grand stand.
Originally Posted By shotar:
Real simple, let the mexican gov't release the serial numbers for tracing. Thus we will know if they were sold in the US.
They wrote down the serial numbers on the back of Obama's birth certificate.
Originally Posted By WabashMX5:
Oh, but we can't let actual FACTS interfere with Hillary's pontificating, as reported in this morning's New York Times....
Hillary Clinton...a day late and a dollar short.
By the time she shifts over to North Korea they'll have ICBMs.
She's working off information they haven't checked and that's already dated in Mexico.
In the wake of the terrible loss of peace officers in Oakland, the recent Alabama shootings and the oft-repeated mantra of the Administriation that firearms purchased in the U.S. are fueling Mexican drug violence, the gun grabbers are gearing up for a more comprehensive ban on "assault weapons", led by the same old socialist/globalists who engineered the '94 Ban: Clinton (H), Biden, Holder, Feinstein, and Emannuel.
While I never heard the final "story" on the Alabama shootings, I DO know that the worthless scumbag in Oakland was a violent parole violator who never should have been let out prison in the first place (and evidently was on the run for a recent rape he was linked to via DNA evidence. according to the San Francisco Chronicle).
On the "Mexico issue", I have searched extensively on the internet for articles with substantive support for the claim that "a majority" of guns used illegally in Mexico came from the U.S., and the only article that comes close to supporting any such claim is one in the San Diego Tribune earlier this month that reported that several guns confiscated in Mexico were linked to illegal immigrant straw buyers, some of whom, operating from Kalifornia, were buying guns in Nevada (which the article unsurprisingly called the "northern portal" for illegal weapons to Mexico") and got busted by the Feds. They will be prosecuted under EXISTING gun laws.
Gun grabbers are using the same old tactics –– #1–– the "oft repeated lie theory" –– repeat a lie often enough and people will start to believe it, i.e., the "Mexican" story;
#2 –– " see what horrible violence these weapons can do in the hands of crazy/violent people" (most guns can be misused with bad result);
#3 –– existing gun laws don't work.
Commentaries following the stories I have read online show that a number of True Americans are standing up to the leftists as they trash gun owners and the 2nd Amendment. This is important, and I believe that if you feel strongly enough about this, you should make a commitment to posting at least one pro-2nd Amendment response to a wacko raving when you come across it online and have the opportunity to do so. This may influence public opinion in our favor for folks who don't yet have an opinion either way. Secondly, write or call your elected representative, even if he/she is avowedly anti-gun. As TAO's poll numbers continue to tank because of the economy and his socialist policies, the majority party is starting to get worried with mid-term 2010 elections just around the corner. Just last week, 65 Democrats in the House wrote the AG, informing him they were against another gun ban. After the GOP gains in the 1994 Congressional elections following the last AWB, a lot of the chicken_ _it folks in Congress are very leery of the "whole gun thing" and we should try to keep them scared. Lastly, we should give money to both pro-gun people in government and the "gun lobby" –– however you define it, not including front organizations for the George Soros crowd who cleverly parade as pro gun, but are just attempting a "Trojan Horse" approach to gutting the 2nd Amendment.
Originally Posted By Fallschirmspringer:
Let's set things straight right up front. Yes, some guns are being smuggled into Mexico from the U.S. Most are handguns.
Hmmm, sounds familiar....almost like I said that in another thread.
There is an international market for illegal sale of small arms.
Drug Cartels smuggle illegal goods across international borders.
Certainly those that purchase firerarms as "straw men" for criminals should be investigated and if probable cause exists should be arrested and charged with a felony.
Certainly those FFL dealers who knowing sell to felons should be investigated and if probable cause exists should be arrested and charged with a felony.
However, I don't think the U.S. Tax Payer should have to spend our money on doing the job of the Mexican Government's border security for them. If Mexico wants to stop the alleged firearms or the money that is being carried south across the U.S. and Mexican border than they should do so at their own expense. Our tax dollars should be put to use enforcing our border and keeping the drugs and criminals from crossing into this nation through our borders and ports.
We are not the world's police. We should not step into Mexico's law enforcement roles at tax payer expense.
We certainly should not have to give up our freedoms, because of illegal acts that take place out of our jurisdiction that we can not control.
If Mexico wants to hault the violence they should do what MUST be done and that is end the crushing poverty that exists in that nation even though it shares a border with the US and NAFTA trade agreement along with huge reserves of natural resources by ending it's SOCIALIST ECONOMIC MODEL and adopting a more Capitalist Free Market System. They need to change from the family business to a corporate culture as well. Until Mexico does that they will never be able to have a lasting effect on crime in their nation.
The fact that Secretary Clinton said their socialist system is a model for the U.S. is scary. Socialism like that in Mexico fosters corruption and slows or blocks growth causing poverty.