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Posted: 4/14/2017 5:02:33 PM EDT
At the risk of dealing with some GD nonsense- I'm asking for advice.

Tldr-
Supervisor's boss is an unhinged asshole.

Detonated on me over nothing (if you want the whole story I can add it later) and threatened my life. Literally. (not that he could back it up) this happened in front of a co worker.

I didn't want this to get to HR. Too late. Someone reported him. Wasn't me. May have been asshole's boss trying to cover his own ass?

I fear if they fire him, it will be seen as my fault and I'll be run out. Got called into HR today, and they seem to know the exact things he said to me. I'm currently acting as if I have amnesia on the parts that would actually get him fired. (if it was me, I'd be in the unemployment line right now).

Wtf do I do? I hate the man, but he has 2 kids and a 20 year career. I don't want him fired. I want him to fuck off and leave me alone, and to stop being a condescending ass to everyone. I also fear losing my job as retaliation.

I have no idea how to handle this bs.

Eta - yes we have a history and do not like each other.
Also, he's anti gun as can be and that was part of his unhinged tirade. "Fuck all you people who own guns and think it makes you bad ass trying to intimidate everyone"
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:08:29 PM EDT
Shhh...

Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:10:25 PM EDT
Well that's not working.

Because they seem to know the exact things he said to me, and are asking me to confirm.

I felt like it was a law enforcement interrogation. I'm also being made to feel that if I don't 'remember' what was said that there might be some sort of problems for me.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:13:31 PM EDT
Fuck him.  Aside from punching his teeth in which obviously wouldn't work out well for you, I'd have no qualms whatsoever about getting the shithead fired.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:13:31 PM EDT
You will get fired for lying to HR.  

Fuck that guy.  He should have shut his cock holster if he didn't want to deal with the consequences.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:13:49 PM EDT
1) Attorney
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:14:45 PM EDT
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You will get fired for lying to HR.  

Fuck that guy.  He should have shut his cock holster if he didn't want to deal with the consequences.
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I'm not lying.
I told them I don't remember exactly what he said because it was stressful and happened fast.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:16:16 PM EDT
Sounds like they aren't coming after you. 
Just tell HR the truth.  Don't let yourself get angry.  You aren't going to make the decision to fire him. 
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This.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:16:46 PM EDT
Just tell the truth and let them sort it out.
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I'm not lying.
I told them I don't remember exactly what he said because it was stressful and happened fast.
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You will get fired for lying to HR.  

Fuck that guy.  He should have shut his cock holster if he didn't want to deal with the consequences.
I'm not lying.
I told them I don't remember exactly what he said because it was stressful and happened fast.
Is that true?
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:18:35 PM EDT
Quick, form a union!
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:19:04 PM EDT
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I told them I don't remember exactly what he said because it was stressful and happened fast.
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What exactly did he say to you?
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:19:31 PM EDT
You need to play the victim card, then they can't retaliate against you.  Tell them you fear retaliation. 
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No. It's not.

I'm just afraid it's going to cost me my job later.

I was literally told today, that this isn't going away.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:20:51 PM EDT
Rat his ass out.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:22:01 PM EDT
Fuck the guy who's in trouble with HR. I don't see why your wanted to protect an asshole. He brought it on himself with a temper tantrum.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:22:41 PM EDT
Most companies these days have anti-retaliation policies.  I.e. you should not and cannot be punished for your part of the incident if you were on the receiving end of behavior that was against the company's code of conduct and reported that behavior.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:22:42 PM EDT
Don't lie to HR.

Fuck I get how people think HR is out to get them.  I really do.  But HR is there to protect the company.  This guy's actions from what you've described here are a liability to the company.  You're the victim.  They can't fire you for retaliation. 

What you should actually do is go back to HR with a written complaint with some key words, how the other employee made you feel uncomfortable, how you felt threatened, and that you're making formal complaint of harassment.


Now, I'm telling you that if your nose is truly clean.  It's like self defense.  You don't get to shoot a guy you've been egging on and instigating conflict with.  But if you really have no fault here, do the above.  If the HR department is worth anything it won't matter who in the organization wants to terminate you in some kind of retaliation, HR won't let them, because no matter the reason they give it will look retaliatory.

This is the kind of shit that ties HR and management's hands and keeps cancerous fucks employed.  People who don't want to feel responsible for their being terminated, or don't want to stick their nose out for fear of getting smacked.

But it all hinges on how much fuel you personally threw on the fire.  If it was a thimble, no problem.  If it was a quart, well, keep doing what you're doing and hope it blows over and stop instigating.
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That he would take my knife (I was cutting something on a table with it) out of my hand and slit my Fucking throat with it.

The man is a chihuahua. His threats are empty. This is the first time it's gone that far. He has threatened to kick some one else's ass before, however. At least that's what I was told by another employee
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:23:16 PM EDT
Edit, after reading the initial post more carefully.

I am sticking with fuck him, but sounds like you need to be truthful with HR.  Stop worrying about him and his family.  That was his job.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:23:22 PM EDT
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No. It's not.

I'm just afraid it's going to cost me my job later.

I was literally told today, that this isn't going away.
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Is that true?
No. It's not.

I'm just afraid it's going to cost me my job later.

I was literally told today, that this isn't going away.
When we have investigations where you are not the target, you sign a form saying that your statements are confidential and you will be held accountable if you are not completely truthful.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:24:19 PM EDT
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At the risk of dealing with some GD nonsense- I'm asking for advice.

Tldr-
Supervisor's boss is an unhinged asshole.

Detonated on me over nothing (if you want the whole story I can add it later) and threatened my life. Literally. (not that he could back it up) this happened in front of a co worker.

I didn't want this to get to HR. Too late. Someone reported him. Wasn't me. May have been asshole's boss trying to cover his own ass?

I fear if they fire him, it will be seen as my fault and I'll be run out. Got called into HR today, and they seem to know the exact things he said to me. I'm currently acting as if I have amnesia on the parts that would actually get him fired. (if it was me, I'd be in the unemployment line right now).

Wtf do I do? I hate the man, but he has 2 kids and a 20 year career. I don't want him fired. I want him to fuck off and leave me alone, and to stop being a condescending ass to everyone. I also fear losing my job as retaliation.

I have no idea how to handle this bs.

Eta - yes we have a history and do not like each other.
Also, he's anti gun as can be and that was part of his unhinged tirade. "Fuck all you people who own guns and think it makes you bad ass trying to intimidate everyone"
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Tell the truth, exactly what happened and how. Just the facts, put no emotion in it.

As for your boss, if it went down like it said without you provoking it, fuck him. He bought the ticket, now let him take the ride. I've been a People manager for years and years, there's clear rules on who to treat poor performance or inappropriate behavior in the work place.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:24:22 PM EDT
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At the risk of dealing with some GD nonsense- I'm asking for advice.

Tldr-
Supervisor's boss is an unhinged asshole.

Detonated on me over nothing (if you want the whole story I can add it later) and threatened my life. Literally. (not that he could back it up) this happened in front of a co worker.

I didn't want this to get to HR. Too late. Someone reported him. Wasn't me. May have been asshole's boss trying to cover his own ass?

I fear if they fire him, it will be seen as my fault and I'll be run out. Got called into HR today, and they seem to know the exact things he said to me. I'm currently acting as if I have amnesia on the parts that would actually get him fired. (if it was me, I'd be in the unemployment line right now).

Wtf do I do? I hate the man, but he has 2 kids and a 20 year career. I don't want him fired. I want him to fuck off and leave me alone, and to stop being a condescending ass to everyone. I also fear losing my job as retaliation.

I have no idea how to handle this bs.

Eta - yes we have a history and do not like each other.
Also, he's anti gun as can be and that was part of his unhinged tirade. "Fuck all you people who own guns and think it makes you bad ass trying to intimidate everyone"
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Stop being a bitch and report the incident. Trust me, it will work out better for you in the end.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:26:16 PM EDT
What do you do?

You be a fucking man,tell the truth and stand up for yourself,grow a damn spine.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:26:18 PM EDT
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Don't lie to HR.

Fuck I get how people think HR is out to get them.  I really do.  But HR is there to protect the company.  This guy's actions from what you've described here are a liability to the company.  You're the victim.  They can't fire you for retaliation. 

What you should actually do is go back to HR with a written complaint with some key words, how the other employee made you feel uncomfortable, how you felt threatened, and that you're making formal complaint of harassment.


Now, I'm telling you that if your nose is truly clean.  It's like self defense.  You don't get to shoot a guy you've been egging on and instigating conflict with.  But if you really have no fault here, do the above.  If the HR department is worth anything it won't matter who in the organization wants to terminate you in some kind of retaliation, HR won't let them, because no matter the reason they give it will look retaliatory.

This is the kind of shit that ties HR and management's hands and keeps cancerous fucks employed.  People who don't want to feel responsible for their being terminated, or don't want to stick their nose out for fear of getting smacked.

But it all hinges on how much fuel you personally threw on the fire.  If it was a thimble, no problem.  If it was a quart, well, keep doing what you're doing and hope it blows over and stop instigating.
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Most helpful response so far. The other employee he did it in front of backs me up. This guy and I do not like each other, but there was zero instigation.  

I still don't know who reported it
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:26:45 PM EDT
At this point you're fucked either way and you prob know that.

However the worst case is that you act like the wife in an abusive relationship and let him get away with it, frankly that's only going to make it worse for you and he may keep his job while you're on the bricks.

I have no tolerance for hotheads and would burn this guy to the ground.... By being totally honest about what occurred and what was said.

You KNOW what he said (or you wouldn't be posting this thread) and you're lying to HR if you say you don't.

Sounds like a long history between you two and its unlikely to get better.

Edit to add. I just saw what he said and you're a damned idiot if you let that slide. Zero patience for that shit.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:26:53 PM EDT
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Tell the truth, exactly what happened and how. Just the facts, put no emotion in it.

As for your boss, if it went down like it said without you provoking it, fuck him. He bought the ticket, now let him take the ride. I've been a People manager for years and years, there's clear rules on who to treat poor performance or inappropriate behavior in the work place.
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No. It's not.

I'm just afraid it's going to cost me my job later.

I was literally told today, that this isn't going away.
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Is that true?
No. It's not.

I'm just afraid it's going to cost me my job later.

I was literally told today, that this isn't going away.
Well.... as long as you're not lying to HR then.

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Most helpful response so far. The other employee he did it in front of backs me up. This guy and I do not like each other, but there was zero instigation.  

I still don't know who reported it
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Then you have no reason not to report.

This doesn't matter and you'll likely never know unless that individual shares it with you.

Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:32:39 PM EDT
Seems like the responses here are all in line.

They know that I remember. HR wants to talk to me again next week.

Also the witness / other employee who saw it.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:35:32 PM EDT
Just the facts ma'am.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:36:35 PM EDT
He fucked up with a physical threat on your life. He needs to learn a life lesson no matter his career or family situation. Grow some balls and tell HR the truth. Let them do their job.

I saw this more than once in my career. Letting him get away with it will come back to haunt you.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:37:11 PM EDT
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No. It's not.

I'm just afraid it's going to cost me my job later.

I was literally told today, that this isn't going away.
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It's not "going away" because they know they've finally got documented cause to terminate this jackass.  This incident has 3rd party reporting, a bystander witness who's story matches the victim's.  Don't think this is the first time this guy has had complaints filed against him.  They're not going to let this dog just lie because now is their opportunity to cut him out like the cancer he is and THEY don't have to fear any retaliation because the evidence of his behavior is so great.

Be the last piece of the puzzle.  You'll be helping yourself and the organization.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:38:13 PM EDT
HR isn't there to help you.  Their job is to protect the company.  Document everything.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:38:41 PM EDT
I don't care if you work in flower shop or in an oil field, a supervisor saying that to ANYONE is a fucking liability. Even more so when there's a history of animosity between the two parties.

At this point you need to be honest and as atldiver (I think) said above, just relay the event as it occurred. Stick to the facts, don't embellish or go into history or anything else.

That dude needs to be tossed out on his ass.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:43:33 PM EDT
The guy threatened your life. Do you really want to keep working with this nutter?

Tell HR what happened and take the necessary PERSEC steps.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 5:43:35 PM EDT
As usual, I'd like to hear both sides of the story.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 6:00:58 PM EDT
What did you say that might get you fired?
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 6:04:28 PM EDT
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At this point you're fucked either way and you prob know that.

However the worst case is that you act like the wife in an abusive relationship and let him get away with it, frankly that's only going to make it worse for you and he may keep his job while you're on the bricks.

I have no tolerance for hotheads and would burn this guy to the ground.... By being totally honest about what occurred and what was said.

You KNOW what he said (or you wouldn't be posting this thread) and you're lying to HR if you say you don't.

Sounds like a long history between you two and its unlikely to get better.

Edit to add. I just saw what he said and you're a damned idiot if you let that slide. Zero patience for that shit.
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Not likely unless its a small company that doesn't have an anti-retaliation policy.  And even at that I believe some states have laws on the books that could provide him legal ground in a wrongful termination suit.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 6:05:19 PM EDT
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Ill be happy to post the whole thing but I don't have an hour to type now.

He said I threatened him with a knife. I was using it while cutting an object on a table. His own coworker backed me up. We don't get along. Not much else to say.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 6:05:36 PM EDT
Drop a dime on the rat bastard.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 6:06:03 PM EDT
Your position makes no sense at all. Get him fired. 
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 6:06:55 PM EDT
What's the company policy on weapons?    Where I work, if the knife is over 3 inches, even a steak knife you brought for your lunch, you'd be out no matter what happens to the other guy.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 6:07:05 PM EDT
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Nothing. I stood there and let him dig is own hole. I even offered to take the shower by asking him if he was sure he wanted to say those things. The response was that yes. He did, and more.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 6:08:18 PM EDT
1. Get control of your feels.
2. Profit
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 6:08:32 PM EDT
If it went down like you said it did, you need to tell the truth.

Where I work, you'd be heavily protected against any kind of future retaliation. In fact, you'd probably be protected against termination even if it was truly warranted.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 6:09:49 PM EDT
There is no size limit AFAIK. My knife is a Kershaw 3.5" cryo II. The HR Lady measured it today and didn't have a problem with it. The one on the multi tool the company provided is about the same length.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 6:11:04 PM EDT
My advice. Tell HR what happen.  I can tell you the matter will be handle.  Now, the question is how it is going to be handle?

Is going to be slap on the wrist to him and anger management?

Is he going to get fired?

Or nothing happens.

Choose your path.
Link Posted: 4/14/2017 6:18:41 PM EDT
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Nothing. I stood there and let him dig is own hole. I even offered to take the shower by asking him if he was sure he wanted to say those things. The response was that yes. He did, and more.
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What did you say that might get you fired?
Nothing. I stood there and let him dig is own hole. I even offered to take the shower by asking him if he was sure he wanted to say those things. The response was that yes. He did, and more.
Burn it down then. Move forward...
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