Daytime Running Lights

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Posted: 10/26/2010 6:04:53 PM EDT

Last week I took delivery of a 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited. I told the service manager who is a good friend that I wanted to make sure that if the car had daytime running lights that I wanted them switched off and I also wanted the automatic windshield wipers turned off as I use Rain X.

Well I get the Car on a Saturday after the service dept. is closeed and it has daytime running lights on.

So I make an appointment to bring the car back to the dealer to have them turned off. I go to the dealership and they can't figure how to turn them off.

The service manager contacts the factory and they tell him they have no solution. He apoligises and says I will have to call the customer service dept myself. Which I do. I get a young lady who starts telling me how nice they are in the snow in winter, I tell her I spend the winter in Florida. She then says maybe we will order you a new car without the lights. I tell her I am very happy with the car and that it should not be rocket science to figure out how to turn off the lights. She responds I will fill out a complaint that states you don't want the required daytime running lights. I tell her required by who? New York State does not require daytime running lights and I think it is very arrogant for Jeep to make that decision on my behalf.

I am supposed to get a call with a solution tomorrow. I better get what I want or they will never hear the end of this,
Just my little rant.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:06:36 PM EDT

[#1]

What do you have against daytime running lights?

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:08:05 PM EDT

[#2]

DRL, my VW Touareg has them. Always on I think. I will have to check and see if I can kill mine. I don't really mind if not.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:10:24 PM EDT

[#3]

3 seconds on google.

Jeep Grand Cherokee, Auto ON lights. Lift out the dash
defroster grill and open up the 3/16" hole (left center) to 3/8"
and your lights will come on just after sunset instead of the
middle of the afternoon.
http://www.lightsout.org/disable.html

Dunno if I buy that though.

Here's a discussion on a jeep forum.

http://www.jeepgarage.org/showthread.php?s=f110625a166681f56db1ad9e95045d92&t=11990

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:11:12 PM EDT

[#4]

This should start you out.

Enjoy

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:12:09 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
What do you have against daytime running lights?

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:12:15 PM EDT

[#6]

I just don't want my headlights on in the daytime . In my opinion it is not necessary.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:12:47 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
What do you have against daytime running lights?

Crazy NY laws....

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:13:05 PM EDT

[#8]

I always run with headlights, helps idiots see you better even in the daytime. Only owned one car that had auto DRLs though.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:13:18 PM EDT

[#9]

My work van has DRL's. I am not much of a fan of them, but they don't bother me much all the same. I have noticed that on my work van, a 2010 E250, when in DRL mode they cut off when you put the transmission in park.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:13:50 PM EDT

[#10]

First thing I did with my 2001 silverado was pull the DRL fuse.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:13:51 PM EDT

[#11]

Pull the relays...

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:14:10 PM EDT

[#12]

i have them turned off on all my cars.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:14:30 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
This should start you out.

Enjoy

Well that was simple. Many Thanks

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:15:15 PM EDT

[#14]

Some cars are easy to disable. I have drove several that only required a fuse removal. Others, like a misutbishi, won't turn off even with the fuses out.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:17:38 PM EDT

[#15]

Scary that the dealership could not figure that out.

4073

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:17:41 PM EDT

[#16]

I disabled them in my Suburban, they are annoying.. thanks to Canada's laws we get stuck with them.. at least that is what I was told.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:22:42 PM EDT

[#17]

I actually thought that it was a federal?? mandate that all new cars have DRLs by a certain date. Seemed like that was many years ago and should have been implemented by now. Am I off base or did they drop it?

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:30:44 PM EDT

[#18]

Nothing I could find online

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:33:05 PM EDT

[#19]

All my cars are pre-DRL.

I drive with my lights on anyway.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:35:59 PM EDT

[#20]

The dealer should be able to disable them by hooking up to the vehicle's computer. I hate DRL's.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:36:18 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
I actually thought that it was a federal?? mandate that all new cars have DRLs by a certain date. Seemed like that was many years ago and should have been implemented by now. Am I off base or did they drop it?

Might be a law that they have to have them on by default, but I'm unaware of any law prohibiting drivers from disabling them.

Kinda like mattress tags.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:40:18 PM EDT

[#22]

Even worse are the vehicles that automatically lock the doors when put in Drive, or at a certain speed. Frequently when I am forced to drive my mom's Dodge minivan (which I can feel sucking the coolness out of my being) I'll go to the back to get something out and it'll be locked, and make me walk back to the driver's door and unlock all the doors. If I want the doors locked, I can damn well lock them myself!

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:41:16 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I actually thought that it was a federal?? mandate that all new cars have DRLs by a certain date. Seemed like that was many years ago and should have been implemented by now. Am I off base or did they drop it?

Might be a law that they have to have them on by default, but I'm unaware of any law prohibiting drivers from disabling them.

Kinda like mattress tags.

Forgot to add that I see many different makes and models of new cars that don't have them at this point.

And I have no problem with people disabling them.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:42:59 PM EDT

[#24]

I'm a big fan of the Audi DRLs –– the little pattern of LEDs right under the headlights. Pretty slick if you ask me.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:43:26 PM EDT

[#25]

I put a piece of electrical tape over mine.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:44:41 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Even worse are the vehicles that automatically lock the doors when put in Drive, or at a certain speed. Frequently when I am forced to drive my mom's Dodge minivan (which I can feel sucking the coolness out of my being) I'll go to the back to get something out and it'll be locked, and make me walk back to the driver's door and unlock all the doors. If I want the doors locked, I can damn well lock them myself!

Our TrailBlazer and Silverado do that. It pisses me off. It can be disabled but I can also move the little lever up in the Silverado or push the little nub back in the Blazer.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:54:08 PM EDT

[#27]

this is what you have to do...

honk the horn three times, buckle your seat belt, then unbuckle your seat belt, turn on the AC and radio, honk your horn 7 more times, pump the break 10 times in a semi forceful manner, reset your trip odometer, drive 1.5 miles, then reset it again, turn off your radio and AC, turn the heat on high while putting the car in neutral, rev your engine to 7,000 rpm's, honk your horn 3 more times. now your day time running lights will be off.

Posted: 10/26/2010 6:58:24 PM EDT

[#28]

Hmmm...I like daytime running lights....had the dealership turn them on on our new Challenger.

Anything to help keep a drunk driver or an idiot fondling their cell phone from ending up in my lane.

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:01:22 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

I just don't want my headlights on in the daytime . In my opinion it is not necessary.

Not necessary, but smart.

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:01:40 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

this is what you have to do...

honk the horn three times, buckle your seat belt, then unbuckle your seat belt, turn on the AC and radio, honk your horn 7 more times, pump the break 10 times in a semi forceful manner, reset your trip odometer, drive 1.5 miles, then reset it again, turn off your radio and AC, turn the heat on high while putting the car in neutral, rev your engine to 7,000 rpm's, honk your horn 3 more times. now your day time running lights will be off.

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:03:05 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

I actually thought that it was a federal?? mandate that all new cars have DRLs by a certain date. Seemed like that was many years ago and should have been implemented by now. Am I off base or did they drop it?

It's federal law.

I know on my Chevy, I can disable the DRLs by pulling the e-brake up 1 click. Doesn't push the shoes against the drum, and it disables the DRLs....on my car, though, it also disables traction control...

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:04:20 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
Some cars are easy to disable. I have drove several that only required a fuse removal. Others, like a misutbishi, won't turn off even with the fuses out.

It's a damned pain in the ass for certain situations, and I'm sure your situations were the same as mine.

I have a rule for myself. If it's not bright enough for me to wear sunglasses, I turn my headlights on.

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:07:16 PM EDT

[#33]

Is it that big of a deal? If your driving the care you cant see them anyway.

ETA: You say it's not needed but I bet all the blue hairs down here are the reason for them in the first place. It's for visibility for other drivers to see you.

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:08:47 PM EDT

[#34]

I'm actually picking mine up tomorrow, 2011 JGC. The info I have on disabling them is the same is what is posted above, pull the fuse. I will be doing the same, screw DRL's.

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:11:00 PM EDT

[#35]

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:11:31 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Is it that big of a deal? If your driving the care you cant see them anyway.

There are actually people in this country who don't like being made to do stupid, useless, shit, just because some cubicle drone salesguy found his 75 IQ way into the house of representatives and decided to "make a difference".

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:12:56 PM EDT

[#37]

There is a bad curve near where I live that uses a mirror to show approaching traffic. The cars with DRL's are easy to see. The ones without, not so much.

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:13:25 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Is it that big of a deal? If your driving the care you cant see them anyway.

There are actually people in this country who don't like being made to do stupid, useless, shit, just because some cubicle drone salesguy found his 75 IQ way into the house of representatives and decided to "make a difference".

Read my ETA

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:17:41 PM EDT

[#39]

nobody has given a logical explanation of why they want them disabled. I never touch my lights. When it gets dark, the headlights and dashlights come on. I couldn't care less if the DRLs are on.

Those complaining about auto-locks, its easy to disable. My 08 Silverado has a nice menu on the dash that will customize most anything.

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:18:04 PM EDT

[#40]

The govt's mind probe will defeat your tin foil when you run with your DRL's on.

Duhhhh!

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:29:05 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:

What do you have against daytime running lights?

Crazy NY laws....

Any other time I would agree, but NYS Law does not mandate daytime running lights.

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:34:55 PM EDT

[#42]

I hate them too, sucks that so many cars have them nowadays.

I like to run stealthy

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:35:04 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
nobody has given a logical explanation of why they want them disabled.

Headlight bulbs have a relatively short lifespan. Running them all the time the vehicle is being driven (rather than only on the occasional night trip) drastically shortens that lifespan.

The shortened lifespan also increases the chances of driving with a burnt out headlamp (as well as the chances of getting a ticket for it).

Finally, the light output of most headlight bulbs drops over time. The longer they run, the dimmer they get. On a vehicle with DRLs, they get dimmer much, much quicker than on a vehicle without.

Personally, I like using DRLs - But I wouldn't want a vehicle that forced me to use 'em.

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:38:16 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is it that big of a deal? If your driving the care you cant see them anyway.

There are actually people in this country who don't like being made to do stupid, useless, shit, just because some cubicle drone salesguy found his 75 IQ way into the house of representatives and decided to "make a difference".

Yeah, there are a few of us like that. The other 85% think we should move to some other country if we don't like it.

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:38:17 PM EDT

[#45]

The daytime running lights piss me off as well. I feel I'm in a better position to tell when I need my lights on or off, depending on road/weather conditions. It's a nanny state thing. I'll take care of myself, thank you very much!

When I got my new 4Runner in 2007, the damn lights were on. I asked the dealership how to turn them off and they had no idea. They had to contact Toyota directly to get the instructions. I actually had to pay about $40 bucks for the fucking service.

On my wife's car, there is an actual setting on the light switch where you can activate the daytime lights if you want to. Why in the blue hell don't all vehicles have such a switch? That way people can decide for themselves.

ETA: touched a nerve there

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:38:31 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:
nobody has given a logical explanation of why they want them disabled.

Headlight bulbs have a relatively short lifespan. Running them all the time the vehicle is being driven (rather than only on the occasional night trip) drastically shortens that lifespan.

The shortened lifespan also increases the chances of driving with a burnt out headlamp (as well as the chances of getting a ticket for it).

Finally, the light output of most headlight bulbs drops over time. The longer they run, the dimmer they get. On a vehicle with DRLs, they get dimmer much, much quicker than on a vehicle without.

Personally, I like using DRLs - But I wouldn't want a vehicle that forced me to use 'em.

Right now I am runningn Sylvania Xtravision bulbs, which are brighter than normal bulbs, but not as bright as the Silverstars (and without that damned bluish cast) Life is somewhere between, I'd have to go look it up. Have heard some horror stories about very short life with ultrabright bulbs.

I may look into the HIR bulbs...

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:42:55 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:
nobody has given a logical explanation of why they want them disabled.

Headlight bulbs have a relatively short lifespan. Running them all the time the vehicle is being driven (rather than only on the occasional night trip) drastically shortens that lifespan.

The shortened lifespan also increases the chances of driving with a burnt out headlamp (as well as the chances of getting a ticket for it).

Finally, the light output of most headlight bulbs drops over time. The longer they run, the dimmer they get. On a vehicle with DRLs, they get dimmer much, much quicker than on a vehicle without.

Personally, I like using DRLs - But I wouldn't want a vehicle that forced me to use 'em.

My '03 chevy with DRLs is still on the original bulbs. Would they last forever if I disabled them?

Posted: 10/26/2010 7:44:13 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:
nobody has given a logical explanation of why they want them disabled.

Headlight bulbs have a relatively short lifespan. Running them all the time the vehicle is being driven (rather than only on the occasional night trip) drastically shortens that lifespan.

The shortened lifespan also increases the chances of driving with a burnt out headlamp (as well as the chances of getting a ticket for it).

Finally, the light output of most headlight bulbs drops over time. The longer they run, the dimmer they get. On a vehicle with DRLs, they get dimmer much, much quicker than on a vehicle without.

Personally, I like using DRLs - But I wouldn't want a vehicle that forced me to use 'em.

thanks, logic and reason comes to ARCOM

Posted: 10/27/2010 4:34:29 AM EDT

[#49]

I was just thinking about DRLs yesterday as it was starting to rain and I just about merged into a gray car with no lights on. I regret the nanny state reason for them but like the window level brake light, I think they are helpful features.

Posted: 10/27/2010 4:52:07 AM EDT

[#50]

I spray painted mine black. The .gov WILL NOT tell me how to live my life or drive my cars.

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