Dash-cam video shows fatal police shooting, Saginaw, MI

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Posted: 8/23/2017 2:26:09 PM EDT

SAGINAW, MI -- After reviewing evidence and items in an investigation of an [url=http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2017/07/man_killed_in_traffic_stop_alt.html]officer-involved shooting that left one man dead and another officer shot[/url], the Saginaw County Prosecutor's Office has found no criminal wrongdoing occurred.
On Wednesday, Aug. 23, dash-cam video of the events leading up to the shooting was released by the prosecutor's office.
A police officer in Saginaw Township just after 1:30 p.m. on July 19, arrested Farhad Jabbari on West Michigan near Leo on suspicion of operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated.
The officer, who has not been named, administered field sobriety tests and a preliminary test on Jabbari, according to the prosecutor's office.

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2017/08/dash-cam_video_released_from_p.html#incart_river_home

Video at link.

Posted: 8/23/2017 2:29:18 PM EDT

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Good shoot. One less asshole.

Posted: 8/23/2017 2:30:20 PM EDT

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ZFG

Posted: 8/23/2017 2:35:20 PM EDT

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It's never a good idea to try to gouge the eyes out of a cop.

Posted: 8/23/2017 2:36:58 PM EDT

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Not supposed to shoot the good guy.

Posted: 8/23/2017 2:37:31 PM EDT

[#5]

Good shoot, glad to see the officer in the line of fire take a less than fatal round versus a more direct hit

Posted: 8/23/2017 2:54:14 PM EDT

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That's going to be a good training video.

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:00:26 PM EDT

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Hope the hit officer fully recovers

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:06:28 PM EDT

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I bet Farhad Jabarri was not born in Saginaw Michigan.

Saginaw Michigan - Lefty Frizzell (with lyrics)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tbrLDA18C4

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:25:00 PM EDT

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Police shoot and kill man in Saginaw Township

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5ZGrm063i0

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:28:27 PM EDT

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Ya think?

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:33:38 PM EDT

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I bet Farhad Jabarri was not born in Saginaw Michigan.

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That was the first thing that popped into my head!

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:37:37 PM EDT

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Good shoot. One less asshole.

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this minus the friendly fire.

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:47:04 PM EDT

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edit. Nevermind.

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:49:28 PM EDT

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Why would u say that?

ETA the guy slipped cuffs and gouged the other officers eyes when he opened the door

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:49:32 PM EDT

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Good shoot. I don't think I'd put a tourney on his arm though. It was not an arterial bleed. That could cause more harm than good.

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:50:57 PM EDT

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Why would u say that?

ETA the guy slipped cuffs and gouged the other officers eyes when he opened the door

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No pat down before they put them in the squad car?

Why would u say that?

ETA the guy slipped cuffs and gouged the other officers eyes when he opened the door

I skimmed through the article. Didn't realize the offer shot his partner. Thought it was the subject.

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:54:00 PM EDT

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Saved the taxpayers some cash

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:54:48 PM EDT

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I skimmed through the article. Didn't realize the offer shot his partner. Thought it was the subject.

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No pat down before they put them in the squad car?

Why would u say that?

ETA the guy slipped cuffs and gouged the other officers eyes when he opened the door

I skimmed through the article. Didn't realize the offer shot his partner. Thought it was the subject.

Yea I thought about the likely hood of that after I posted the "why would u say that" .... sorry!

Posted: 8/23/2017 4:05:53 PM EDT

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That's the 90s speaking

Posted: 8/23/2017 7:23:26 PM EDT

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Good shoot. I don't think I'd put a tourney on his arm though. It was not an arterial bleed. That could cause more harm than good.

That's the 90s speaking

Current teaching is to use the tourniquet correct?

Posted: 8/23/2017 8:34:08 PM EDT

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That was an eye-opener!

Posted: 8/23/2017 8:38:42 PM EDT

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Try to gouge out my eyes and I will shoot you.

Posted: 8/23/2017 8:43:55 PM EDT

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Pretty much.

Posted: 8/23/2017 8:45:04 PM EDT

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Good shoot. I don't think I'd put a tourney on his arm though. It was not an arterial bleed. That could cause more harm than good.

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You're not really a medic right?

Posted: 8/23/2017 8:46:32 PM EDT

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When in doubt apply a tourniquet.

Posted: 8/23/2017 8:47:01 PM EDT

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You're not really a medic right?

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Civilian medics haven't caught up yet.

Posted: 8/23/2017 8:51:01 PM EDT

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Good shoot. I don't think I'd put a tourney on his arm though. It was not an arterial bleed. That could cause more harm than good.

That's the 90s speaking

Current teaching is to use the tourniquet correct?

Yes. Above or below the joint to control bleeding.

Edit: TC3

Posted: 8/23/2017 8:51:19 PM EDT

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Some of us have.

Tourniquet is third line on the NREMT Bleeding Control/Shock Management.

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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:57:31 PM EDT

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Also, a bullshit shoot.

The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

it is the determination of this office that there was insufficient time to formulate any criminal intent. We find no criminal wrongdoing in the use of deadly force by the officer who was being attacked by the suspect.

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There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

Posted: 8/23/2017 9:30:18 PM EDT

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You're as predictable as the sunrise.

Posted: 8/23/2017 9:31:50 PM EDT

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Also, a bullshit shoot.

The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

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Also, a bullshit shoot.

The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

it is the determination of this office that there was insufficient time to formulate any criminal intent. We find no criminal wrongdoing in the use of deadly force by the officer who was being attacked by the suspect.

There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

Should they just wait for him to fall asleep? Or perhaps they should have sang him a lullaby?

Posted: 8/23/2017 9:56:44 PM EDT

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Also, a bullshit shoot.

The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

it is the determination of this office that there was insufficient time to formulate any criminal intent. We find no criminal wrongdoing in the use of deadly force by the officer who was being attacked by the suspect.

There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

Should they just wait for him to fall asleep? Or perhaps they should have sang him a lullaby?

No, you are correct. Going 'hands-on' in a confined space was the best tactical decision.

Posted: 8/23/2017 9:57:31 PM EDT

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No, you are correct. Going 'hands-on' in a confined space was the best tactical decision.

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Also, a bullshit shoot.

The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

it is the determination of this office that there was insufficient time to formulate any criminal intent. We find no criminal wrongdoing in the use of deadly force by the officer who was being attacked by the suspect.

There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

Should they just wait for him to fall asleep? Or perhaps they should have sang him a lullaby?

No, you are correct. Going 'hands-on' in a confined space was the best tactical decision.

So dog catcher pole?

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:04:33 PM EDT

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Unfortunately, in today's environment, an officer is responsible for anything and everything that happens to a suspect in his custody. If he had done nothing, and the suspect hurt himself or did something (even more) stupid, the officer would be liable. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's a crap shoot.

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:06:08 PM EDT

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Bless your heart

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:09:43 PM EDT

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Why not just grab his fingers and pressure them/ break them/ whatever, or punch him in the face?

You guys are ok with the cop shooting this asshole? Lethal force? Kick his ass first man.

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:13:23 PM EDT

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So dog catcher pole?

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Also, a bullshit shoot.

The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

it is the determination of this office that there was insufficient time to formulate any criminal intent. We find no criminal wrongdoing in the use of deadly force by the officer who was being attacked by the suspect.

There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

Should they just wait for him to fall asleep? Or perhaps they should have sang him a lullaby?

No, you are correct. Going 'hands-on' in a confined space was the best tactical decision.

So dog catcher pole?

Not trying to be obtuse here, but wouldn't it be safer to keep him caged up until the cruiser is inside the jail's sally port?

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:16:00 PM EDT

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Back to the cops aren't medics deal.

See blood, put on tourniquet. Or do nothing.

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:19:29 PM EDT

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Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Totally situation dependent.

Sometimes they're just being assholes back there, sometimes they're slamming their head into the cage and windows, trying to break out or hurt themselves. At that point, they're in your custody and care and if you leave them to their own devices and they hurt themselves, then you're up shits creek.

In other situations, if they slip a cuff, you've now got a pissed off suspect with a dangling, metal weapon attached to their other hand. I could see him trying to prevent that from happening.

Ofc. goes in to stop the suspect from one of the above scenarios, suspect starts gouging eyes (great bodily harm), shots fired.

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:21:55 PM EDT

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Yup

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:25:38 PM EDT

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Why not just grab his fingers and pressure them/ break them/ whatever, or punch him in the face?

You guys are ok with the cop shooting this asshole? Lethal force? Kick his ass first man.

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I failed Kung Fu in the Academy.

I'm only authorized to shoot suspects.

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:33:56 PM EDT

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This is what we are taught in our yearly TCCC class.

J-

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:37:24 PM EDT

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Good shoot...except for hitting his partner.

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:42:19 PM EDT

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I failed Kung Fu in the Academy.

I'm only authorized to shoot suspects.

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Why not just grab his fingers and pressure them/ break them/ whatever, or punch him in the face?

You guys are ok with the cop shooting this asshole? Lethal force? Kick his ass first man.

I failed Kung Fu in the Academy.

I'm only authorized to shoot suspects.

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:50:28 PM EDT

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Not trying to be obtuse here, but wouldn't it be safer to keep him caged up until the cruiser is inside the jail's sally port?

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Also, a bullshit shoot.

The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

it is the determination of this office that there was insufficient time to formulate any criminal intent. We find no criminal wrongdoing in the use of deadly force by the officer who was being attacked by the suspect.

There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

Should they just wait for him to fall asleep? Or perhaps they should have sang him a lullaby?

No, you are correct. Going 'hands-on' in a confined space was the best tactical decision.

So dog catcher pole?

Not trying to be obtuse here, but wouldn't it be safer to keep him caged up until the cruiser is inside the jail's sally port?

A suspect in custody must be secured to the best of my ability. That doesn't mean free to move around with his hands not secured and a handcuff on one that he can use as a weapon.

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:55:13 PM EDT

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Also, a bullshit shoot.

The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

it is the determination of this office that there was insufficient time to formulate any criminal intent. We find no criminal wrongdoing in the use of deadly force by the officer who was being attacked by the suspect.

There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

Should they just wait for him to fall asleep? Or perhaps they should have sang him a lullaby?

No, you are correct. Going 'hands-on' in a confined space was the best tactical decision.

So dog catcher pole?

This isn't a micro-second decision to shoot scenario, here.

Me? Contain the threat. Keep the door closed. Roll a rear window down a bit, and taze the guy.

No tazer? Ok. Keep the door closed and wait for my co-worker to assist in extracting the suspect and re-applying restraints.

Nobody had to get shot in this incident. The suspect nor the other employee.

Edit: This is the effect of a shitty cop. As long as good cops defend the actions of shitty cops, we will continue to receive shitty cops.

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:55:25 PM EDT

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The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

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Also, a bullshit shoot.

The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

it is the determination of this office that there was insufficient time to formulate any criminal intent. We find no criminal wrongdoing in the use of deadly force by the officer who was being attacked by the suspect.

There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

user name is appropriate, just saying...........

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:58:32 PM EDT

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This isn't a micro-second decision to shoot scenario, here.

Me? Contain the threat. Keep the door closed. Roll a rear window down a bit, and taze the guy.

No tazer? Ok. Keep the door closed and wait for my co-worker to assist in extracting the suspect and re-applying restraints.

Nobody had to get shot in this incident. The suspect nor the other employee.

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Also, a bullshit shoot.

The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

it is the determination of this office that there was insufficient time to formulate any criminal intent. We find no criminal wrongdoing in the use of deadly force by the officer who was being attacked by the suspect.

There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

Should they just wait for him to fall asleep? Or perhaps they should have sang him a lullaby?

No, you are correct. Going 'hands-on' in a confined space was the best tactical decision.

So dog catcher pole?

This isn't a micro-second decision to shoot scenario, here.

Me? Contain the threat. Keep the door closed. Roll a rear window down a bit, and taze the guy.

No tazer? Ok. Keep the door closed and wait for my co-worker to assist in extracting the suspect and re-applying restraints.

Nobody had to get shot in this incident. The suspect nor the other employee.

They did have 2 officers there. When they tried to re-restrain him, while he had a hanging piece of medal (weapon) on one of his wrists btw, he tried to gouge the officers eyes out. Good shoot.

Posted: 8/23/2017 11:03:58 PM EDT

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They did have 2 officers there. When they tried to re-restrain him, while he had a hanging piece of medal (weapon) on one of his wrists btw, he tried to gouge the officers eyes out. Good shoot.

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Also, a bullshit shoot.

The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

it is the determination of this office that there was insufficient time to formulate any criminal intent. We find no criminal wrongdoing in the use of deadly force by the officer who was being attacked by the suspect.

There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

Should they just wait for him to fall asleep? Or perhaps they should have sang him a lullaby?

No, you are correct. Going 'hands-on' in a confined space was the best tactical decision.

So dog catcher pole?

This isn't a micro-second decision to shoot scenario, here.

Me? Contain the threat. Keep the door closed. Roll a rear window down a bit, and taze the guy.

No tazer? Ok. Keep the door closed and wait for my co-worker to assist in extracting the suspect and re-applying restraints.

Nobody had to get shot in this incident. The suspect nor the other employee.

They did have 2 officers there. When they tried to re-restrain him, while he had a hanging piece of medal (weapon) on one of his wrists btw, he tried to gouge the officers eyes out. Good shoot.

1 officer was attempting re-restraint. The other officer was too busy getting shot by the first officer to assist.

Back to my point, leave the doors closed and take a minute to think about the problem, instead of the old 'everything looks like a nail' solution.

Posted: 8/23/2017 11:09:14 PM EDT

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1 officer was attempting re-restraint. The other officer was too busy getting shot by the first officer to assist.

Back to my point, leave the doors closed and take a minute to think about the problem, instead of the old 'everything looks like a nail' solution.

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Also, a bullshit shoot.

The guy is out of his cuffs in a cage? Shut the fucking door and regroup.

it is the determination of this office that there was insufficient time to formulate any criminal intent. We find no criminal wrongdoing in the use of deadly force by the officer who was being attacked by the suspect.

There wasn't time to formulate criminal intent. Apparently, it was a crime of passion

Should they just wait for him to fall asleep? Or perhaps they should have sang him a lullaby?

No, you are correct. Going 'hands-on' in a confined space was the best tactical decision.

So dog catcher pole?

This isn't a micro-second decision to shoot scenario, here.

Me? Contain the threat. Keep the door closed. Roll a rear window down a bit, and taze the guy.

No tazer? Ok. Keep the door closed and wait for my co-worker to assist in extracting the suspect and re-applying restraints.

Nobody had to get shot in this incident. The suspect nor the other employee.

They did have 2 officers there. When they tried to re-restrain him, while he had a hanging piece of medal (weapon) on one of his wrists btw, he tried to gouge the officers eyes out. Good shoot.

1 officer was attempting re-restraint. The other officer was too busy getting shot by the first officer to assist.

Back to my point, leave the doors closed and take a minute to think about the problem, instead of the old 'everything looks like a nail' solution.

In a video released by the prosecutor's office, the officer could be heard asking "What are you doing?" before exiting the driver's side and going to the rear driver's side door of the police vehicle. During the same time, before the officer enters the back seat, the vehicle began to move as if there was a commotion in the back seat. The back-passenger side door could be seen recoiling from some sort of impact from inside of the vehicle.

According to the prosecutor's office, when the officer entered the vehicle to restrain Jabbari, he was immediately attacked by Jabbari, who gouged at the officer's eyes.

A struggle ensued that lasted a few seconds when another officer appeared and tried to help subdue Jabbari from the rear passenger-side of the police vehicle.

In the video, that officer, who also has not been named, opened the door and grabbed Jabbari seconds before several shots were fired. The officer immediately retreated as he was shot in the arm.

Struggled with two officers while trying to escape and then was shot while trying to gouge out one officers eyes. Good shoot.

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