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Posted: 10/3/2011 9:40:22 AM EDT



Denmark has followed Hungary's lead in imposing taxes of certain types of magical foods that make people fat:

The new tax, designed by Denmark’s outgoing government in an effort to limit the population’s intake of fatty foods, will add 16 kroner ($2.87, or 2.15 euros) per kilo (2.2 pounds) of saturated fats in a product.

For example, according to the AFP, the tax will increase the cost of 250 grams of butter by 2.20 kroner, to more than 18 kroner....

The new tax will be levied on all products including saturated fats –– from butter and milk to pizzas, oils, meats and pre-cooked foods –– in a costing system that Denmark’s Confederation of Industries (DI) says is a bureaucratic nightmare for producers and outlets.


http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/03/fat-tax-in-denmark-melancholy


Link Posted: 10/3/2011 9:42:15 AM EDT
Milk, so you get to pay more for your kids. That's nice.

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Link Posted: 10/3/2011 9:44:25 AM EDT
Hold on, I'll see how much I got.



Link Posted: 10/3/2011 9:45:45 AM EDT
try a tax on butter in WI....go ahead....
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 9:51:00 AM EDT
won't be long before street gangs start peddling it back allies and such
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 9:52:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By wingnutx:



Denmark has followed Hungary's lead inimposing taxes of certain types of magical foods that make peoplefat:

The new tax, designed by Denmark’s outgoing government in aneffort to limit the population’s intake of fatty foods, will add 16kroner ($2.87, or 2.15 euros) per kilo (2.2 pounds) of saturatedfats in a product.

For example, according to the AFP, the tax will increase thecost of 250 grams of butter by 2.20 kroner, to more than 18kroner....

The new tax will be levied on all products including saturatedfats –– from butter and milk to pizzas, oils, meats and pre-cookedfoods –– in a costing system that Denmark’s Confederation ofIndustries (DI) says is a bureaucratic nightmare for producers andoutlets.


http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/03/fat-tax-in-denmark-melancholy



Soon to be:

Link Posted: 10/3/2011 9:53:40 AM EDT
No more butter sculptures at the fairs out there
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 9:54:13 AM EDT


You've got to love it when the other side eats itself (pun intended). A foot tax like this is the most regressive tax possible. It's basically a poor tax. Good work socialists!

Link Posted: 10/3/2011 9:54:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 9:56:00 AM EDT
In the end, it's not about your health, but how much revenue they believe they can generate. They know people will still buy the foods regardless.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 9:56:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 9:57:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:

won't be long before street gangs start peddling it back allies and such

Margarine Bootleggers Sent to Federal Prison


Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:00:39 AM EDT
The real sad thing is that there is zero, zero, none, no evidence that a diet high in fat, or high in saturated fat will make you gain weight, or destroy your heart. In fact, most credible evidence points towards a lower body fat % and better cholesterol numbers in people with diets high in animal fats.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:00:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:02:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By metalsaber:
In the end, it's not about your health, but how much revenue they believe they can generate. They know people will still buy the foods regardless.


Yep, because twinkies and fucking twizzlers aren't going to be taxed. Guess which is worse for you?
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:03:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
The real sad thing is that there is zero, zero, none, no evidence that a diet high in fat, or high in saturated fat will make you gain weight, or destroy your heart. In fact, most credible evidence points towards a lower body fat % and better cholesterol numbers in people with diets high in animal fats.


Exactly. It's all about the Omega-3 to Omega-6 ratio. If you're getting enough 3 you're GTG.



Sugar and diabetes on the otherhand...
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:03:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
The real sad thing is that there is zero, zero, none, no evidence that a diet high in fat, or high in saturated fat will make you gain weight, or destroy your heart. In fact, most credible evidence points towards a lower body fat % and better cholesterol numbers in people with diets high in animal fats.


The .gov food pyramid calls you a LIAR!
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:05:40 AM EDT
That's a $1.30 per pound tax on all fats and oils.

So far beyond insane, it boggles the mind.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:08:04 AM EDT
in a costing system that Denmark’s Confederation of Industries (DI) says is a bureaucratic nightmare for producers and outlets.


No kidding.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:14:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:28:36 AM EDT
I hope there's no tax on dupes
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:39:32 AM EDT


That thread sucks

Keep the DUP, it's for the children!!!!
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:42:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By happycynic:


You've got to love it when the other side eats itself (pun intended). A foot tax like this is the most regressive tax possible. It's basically a poor tax. Good work socialists!



The outgoing government that instituted this was a right-of-center/conservative coalition government.



But if they were a political party here, would we consider them the 'other side'?
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:45:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Interestingly, it may actually be at odds with EU regulations, so the law may not stand.



I actually spcialize in EU law.

Very simply put memeber states are free to tax but cannot impose a customs duty so anything you bing in that you bought from another memeber state is GTG.

Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:47:03 AM EDT
ha ha... now your bullshit nutritional guidlines you all swallow like fools is going to cost you heart disease, obesity AND money...


sweet, have some more whole grain LOL...
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:47:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:53:26 AM EDT
IIRC, most of the dairy products that we got in the middle east were from Denmark.

Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:56:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
The real sad thing is that there is zero, zero, none, no evidence that a diet high in fat, or high in saturated fat will make you gain weight, or destroy your heart. In fact, most credible evidence points towards a lower body fat % and better cholesterol numbers in people with diets high in animal fats.

What he said.

Were it the way the Danish government supposes, I'd be a motherfucking HUGE lardass with high cholesterol. I'm neither overweight, nor at risk of a heart attack (judging by my last lipid panel, where everything is within the normal range - if you're into that sort of thing).

In fact most of my calories come from saturated fat. By their reckoning, I should be huge. I rarely work out either, which probably confounds them even more.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:58:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 10:59:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Subnet:

Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
The real sad thing is that there is zero, zero, none, no evidence that a diet high in fat, or high in saturated fat will make you gain weight, or destroy your heart. In fact, most credible evidence points towards a lower body fat % and better cholesterol numbers in people with diets high in animal fats.

What he said.

Were it the way the Danish government supposes, I'd be a motherfucking HUGE lardass with high cholesterol. I'm neither overweight, nor at risk of a heart attack (judging by my last lipid panel, where everything is within the normal range - if you're into that sort of thing).

In fact most of my calories come from saturated fat. By their reckoning, I should be huge. I rarely work out either, which probably confounds them even more.

Same here (except for the workout part).
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:01:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Interestingly, it may actually be at odds with EU regulations, so the law may not stand.



I actually spcialize in EU law.

Very simply put memeber states are free to tax but cannot impose a customs duty so anything you bing in that you bought from another memeber state is GTG.



Considering half the country shops in Northern Germany anyways, it will just reinforce the status quo.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:01:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Interestingly, it may actually be at odds with EU regulations, so the law may not stand.


Wait, a massive statist bureaucracy like the EU might actually prevent a restrictive regulation or tax from taking effect? You just divided by zero.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:02:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By happycynic:


You've got to love it when the other side eats itself (pun intended). A foot tax like this is the most regressive tax possible. It's basically a poor tax. Good work socialists!



The outgoing government that instituted this was a right-of-center/conservative coalition government.


So just slightly to the left of Marx then.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:02:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:

Originally Posted By Subnet:

Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
The real sad thing is that there is zero, zero, none, no evidence that a diet high in fat, or high in saturated fat will make you gain weight, or destroy your heart. In fact, most credible evidence points towards a lower body fat % and better cholesterol numbers in people with diets high in animal fats.

What he said.

Were it the way the Danish government supposes, I'd be a motherfucking HUGE lardass with high cholesterol. I'm neither overweight, nor at risk of a heart attack (judging by my last lipid panel, where everything is within the normal range - if you're into that sort of thing).

In fact most of my calories come from saturated fat. By their reckoning, I should be huge. I rarely work out either, which probably confounds them even more.

Same here (except for the workout part).

I do every once in a while, when I'm feeling particularly energetic. It's just not a routine.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:03:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Subnet:


In fact most of my calories come from saturated fat. By their reckoning, I should be huge. I rarely work out either, which probably confounds them even more.

Please recommend a paleo-type cookbook.


Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:04:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:05:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Subnet:

Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:

Originally Posted By Subnet:

Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
The real sad thing is that there is zero, zero, none, no evidence that a diet high in fat, or high in saturated fat will make you gain weight, or destroy your heart. In fact, most credible evidence points towards a lower body fat % and better cholesterol numbers in people with diets high in animal fats.

What he said.

Were it the way the Danish government supposes, I'd be a motherfucking HUGE lardass with high cholesterol. I'm neither overweight, nor at risk of a heart attack (judging by my last lipid panel, where everything is within the normal range - if you're into that sort of thing).

In fact most of my calories come from saturated fat. By their reckoning, I should be huge. I rarely work out either, which probably confounds them even more.

Same here (except for the workout part).

I do every once in a while, when I'm feeling particularly energetic. It's just not a routine.


I just find it interesting that working out or not- a diet somewhat high in fat, and little to no processed foods (IIRC from other posts of yours) still results in a healthy weight and body composition.
Further evidence that eating fat doesn't make you fat.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:05:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By wingnutx:

Originally Posted By Subnet:


In fact most of my calories come from saturated fat. By their reckoning, I should be huge. I rarely work out either, which probably confounds them even more.

Please recommend a paleo-type cookbook.



Can't. I've never read one. I just use regular cookbooks, or I'll catch something on Food Network that looks good. Other times, I might run across a recipe that I can easily modify, without screwing it up.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:06:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 11:07:28 AM EDT by RolandofGilead]

Originally Posted By wingnutx:

Originally Posted By Subnet:


In fact most of my calories come from saturated fat. By their reckoning, I should be huge. I rarely work out either, which probably confounds them even more.

Please recommend a paleo-type cookbook.




I know you didn't ask me, but we have this one and like it:

http://www.amazon.com/Primal-Blueprint-Cookbook-Grain-Free-Gluten-Free/dp/0982207727/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1317668770&sr=8-3

Other than this, we usually just modify existing recipes which isn't hard, or google stuff.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:09:09 AM EDT
Thanks!
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:11:09 AM EDT
It's not about health and encouraging healthy eating. It's about revenue generation.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:13:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:

I just find it interesting that working out or not- a diet somewhat high in fat, and little to no processed foods (IIRC from other posts of yours) still results in a healthy weight and body composition.
Further evidence that eating fat doesn't make you fat.

If I eat a processed food, it's a bite or two just to remember what it tasted like. I eat a lot of veggies too, but if you sit down and calculate the caloric content of everything I ate in a day (I should note that I don't bother doing this, other than to satisfy an occasional curiosity), most of my calories come from saturated fat, as a percentage of the total.

So not only do I not work out regularly, but I eat an assload of fat, and don't bother counting calories or weighing/measuring portions. I just eat when I'm hungry, and stop when I'm not.

I really want the Danes to explain why I'm not a lard ass.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:18:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:

Originally Posted By Subnet:

Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:

Originally Posted By Subnet:

Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
The real sad thing is that there is zero, zero, none, no evidence that a diet high in fat, or high in saturated fat will make you gain weight, or destroy your heart. In fact, most credible evidence points towards a lower body fat % and better cholesterol numbers in people with diets high in animal fats.

What he said.

Were it the way the Danish government supposes, I'd be a motherfucking HUGE lardass with high cholesterol. I'm neither overweight, nor at risk of a heart attack (judging by my last lipid panel, where everything is within the normal range - if you're into that sort of thing).

In fact most of my calories come from saturated fat. By their reckoning, I should be huge. I rarely work out either, which probably confounds them even more.

Same here (except for the workout part).

I do every once in a while, when I'm feeling particularly energetic. It's just not a routine.


I just find it interesting that working out or not- a diet somewhat high in fat, and little to no processed foods (IIRC from other posts of yours) still results in a healthy weight and body composition.
Further evidence that eating fat doesn't make you fat.

Yep. 60% to 70% of my calories come from fat, mostly saturated animal fat, and while I do strength training I do no cardio, and I'm losing fat steadily.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:19:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Subnet:

Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:

I just find it interesting that working out or not- a diet somewhat high in fat, and little to no processed foods (IIRC from other posts of yours) still results in a healthy weight and body composition.
Further evidence that eating fat doesn't make you fat.

If I eat a processed food, it's a bite or two just to remember what it tasted like. I eat a lot of veggies too, but if you sit down and calculate the caloric content of everything I ate in a day (I should note that I don't bother doing this, other than to satisfy an occasional curiosity), most of my calories come from saturated fat, as a percentage of the total.

So not only do I not work out regularly, but I eat an assload of fat, and don't bother counting calories or weighing/measuring portions. I just eat when I'm hungry, and stop when I'm not.

I really want the Danes to explain why I'm not a lard ass.


I actually will enter everything into Fitday sometimes just for S&G as well...I usually get something like 70% of my calories from fat or something like that...can't remember, but it's really high. Fewer carbs & TONS of veggies.

Yeah, I'll be waiting for the explanation as well...
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:21:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 11:22:24 AM EDT by DK-Prof]
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:24:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By happycynic:


You've got to love it when the other side eats itself (pun intended). A foot tax like this is the most regressive tax possible. It's basically a poor tax. Good work socialists!



The outgoing government that instituted this was a right-of-center/conservative coalition government.


So just slightly to the left of Marx then.


You're right - a capitalist market economy with a positive trade balance, 4% unemployment, less regulatory burden on new business and lower corporate taxes than the U.S. - is definitely a socialist hellhole on the way to communism.

The NEW government, which IS left of center, is potentially going to be a problem. The outgoing - other than occasional idiotic stuff like this tax - was pretty good.

Your lies do not work here. We all know that there are two types of people in Europe. On the right you have the communists, and on the left you have the motherfucking goddamned communist bastards. That's it.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:30:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:

Originally Posted By Subnet:

Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:

I just find it interesting that working out or not- a diet somewhat high in fat, and little to no processed foods (IIRC from other posts of yours) still results in a healthy weight and body composition.
Further evidence that eating fat doesn't make you fat.

If I eat a processed food, it's a bite or two just to remember what it tasted like. I eat a lot of veggies too, but if you sit down and calculate the caloric content of everything I ate in a day (I should note that I don't bother doing this, other than to satisfy an occasional curiosity), most of my calories come from saturated fat, as a percentage of the total.

So not only do I not work out regularly, but I eat an assload of fat, and don't bother counting calories or weighing/measuring portions. I just eat when I'm hungry, and stop when I'm not.

I really want the Danes to explain why I'm not a lard ass.


I actually will enter everything into Fitday sometimes just for S&G as well...I usually get something like 70% of my calories from fat or something like that...can't remember, but it's really high. Fewer carbs & TONS of veggies.

Yeah, I'll be waiting for the explanation as well...

I did FitDay for a while, then my own spreadsheets when that turned out to be faster (cut and paste), then finally went to subnet's style of eating when I want and not keeping track. I'm glad I did all of the recordkeeping, though, because I have a much better sense of what's in food.

Now I'm thinking I'd better delete all those records of my criminally high intake of saturated fat before they come after me for a retroactive tax for all the heart attacks I caused.
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:30:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:33:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By happycynic:
...
Your lies do not work here. We all know that there are two types of people in Europe. On the right you have the communists, and on the left you have the motherfucking goddamned communist bastards. That's it.


<waves hands="">

These are not the socialists you are looking for. </waves>

I'm watching you DK. Don't you dare come near our water supply with your communist fluoride!
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:34:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2011 11:37:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr_Mowett:
I did FitDay for a while, then my own spreadsheets when that turned out to be faster (cut and paste), then finally went to subnet's style of eating when I want and not keeping track. I'm glad I did all of the recordkeeping, though, because I have a much better sense of what's in food.

Now I'm thinking I'd better delete all those records of my criminally high intake of saturated fat before they come after me for a retroactive tax for all the heart attacks I caused.

I kept careful track of everything for a week, back in February, just to satisfy a curiosity. It was interesting, because I found that I automatically eat a lot more when I'm pretty active, and eat very little when I'm laying around the house all day. It's completely subconscious.

This is kind of why I make this face ––> when people insist on working out to loose weight. I won't deny that it works, but it...makes me fucking hungry when I do it. And you know what I do when I'm hungry? I eat. If I don't, I find that I'm pretty miserable and generally cranky. Hunger does that.

I kind of wonder if it's because fat people are supposed to be punished for their gluttonous sins, or some damn thing. Ever read advice on weight loss? It's always filled with adjectives like hard, pain, sacrifice, effort, work, and so forth. I always kind of read it like "You need to PAY for your sins, fatty!".

It's either that, or I'm just thinking too damn much.
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