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Posted: 8/30/2004 3:41:41 PM EST
Here's some good stuff:

MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-30-04 10:16 AM
Original message
Dispelling Another Myth About Guns



"America Owes Its Freedom to Gun Owners."
Although the gun nut crowd likes to invoke the image of enraged patriots taking down their trusty squirrel guns from over the mantle and heading off on their own to fight Hitler, it’s not even close to being true and never has been.

The first shots of the Revolutionary war were fired at Concord, where the patriots had gathered to defend their collective armory. Throughout that war patriots like Morris risked their fortunes to buy quantities of muskets and powder from the French, Spanish and Dutch. One of the turning points of the war was the purchase of 80,000 Charleville muskets from the French by the Continental Congress. In 1794, Congress authorized the opening of a federal armory in Springfield to turn out 4,200 muskets annually, while in 1798 the fledgling government contracted with 26 private individuals to produce even more guns…and those publicly owned guns were the ones with which the War of 1812 was fought. Subsequent wars were ALL fought with our collective armaments.

One noted battle in which gun owners DID fight against a common foe was Little Big Horn, where the individual native Americans used their individually owned guns against Custer’s forces. Sad to say, the long term result of that battle has been that native Americans have been treated as second class citizens, usually by the very conservatives promoting the "gun owners saved America" lie (Hello, Bill Janklow!).


And here's a perfect response:

el_gato (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-30-04 10:54 AM
Response to Original message
4. Native Americans have been targeted for extinction way before Custer




and it continues to this day.

I guess those "Indians" should have just laid down and died
since using guns to fight back makes them "bad gun owners".



Here's the thread (cold):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x82911#82993
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 6:03:48 PM EST
Yeah he's trotted that crap out beofre yet he loves to ignore the Militia Act of 1792
www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_1792.htm

In which it states "That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock..."

If you were being supplied from a collective armory why would it be law that you had to supply your own firearm and other gear.

His usual reponse to the Militia Act is to prattle on about the espontoon.

Face it bunkley is pretty much the duass of the day, every day.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 8:24:11 AM EST
I have yet to see anyone more deserving of an ass whipping than Benchley. Unless it's Michael Moore.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 3:44:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By Phil_in_Seattle:
Yeah he's trotted that crap out beofre yet he loves to ignore the Militia Act of 1792
www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_1792.htm

In which it states "That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock..."

If you were being supplied from a collective armory why would it be law that you had to supply your own firearm and other gear.

His usual reponse to the Militia Act is to prattle on about the espontoon.

Face it bunkley is pretty much the duass of the day, every day.



Yea you're right. There are a couple worse than him, although they don't post as much. I wonder if he's part of the VPC. He must be because he has a lot of time to research anti-2A stuff. We spend a lot of time researching 2A stuff because we are trying to preserve our rights, but someone who spends as much time as him trying to take our rights away must be part of one of those policy groups. A person simply doesn't put that much effort into stuff like this otherwise.
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