I somehow think getting a blow job in the oval office is not near as bad as lying about reasons for going to war and sending men and women to die when I didn't have a clear-cut plan for exit or even covering up my service record!

I absolutely despise GWB, and Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, and Rove. I have never felt so strongly negative about another human being in my life, and now I feel it about five. They are evil, rotten men. They make me want to believe in the Christian notion of hell, so that I can imagine them burning in it for the rest of eternity. I cannnot understand why it's even up for debate whether or not they should be allowed to remain in the White House. They should be rotting in prison, not running for reelection. How can this be happening? What is wrong with people? I seriously cannot even wrap my mind around the notion of supporting BushCo. I loathe him and his minions.

If we had a free press, the chimp's approval rating would be in the single digits and he wouldn't even be running this time. He'd have been impeached or forced to resign long ago.

Anyone who would even consider voting for another four years of this crap - and whatever new evils they are plotting - is either woefully misinformed, uninformed, or certifiable.

I just saw GWB and Cheney pretending to be all solemn for a 9/11 memorial at the White House and it made me sick. In their heads they were probably counting all the money they've made off of the memory of the 9/11 victims. If I were a family member of a victim, I would spit on them.

I am a public high school teacher in SC and many of my students openly support bu$h, but hey, this is a red(-neck) state. There are quite a few who are now 18 and this will be their first time voting and they say that they have already made their decision for chimpy. When I tell them about the two bills in Congress which are calling for reinstatement of the draft to cover the shortage of troops needed for the oil wars (if I used this term openly in class, I would be reprimanded, so I try to be as neutral as possible), they stare at me in disbelief. Many tell me that they do not believe me, or that if it does happen, it will never happen to them personally. Then I hear how they can beat the draft even if it is reinstated. My school district is located in a rather wealthy region of the state (there are two South Carolinas: a very distinct line between the haves and the have-nots) and maybe 'Cheney-itis' is contagious; you know, gutsy as heck with other people's blood, but not their own. It wrenches my gut every time I think about how my vote for Kerry will not count (actually be swallowed up in a sea of ignorance) because of the Electoral College system.

if they try to go to Canada to beat the draft. Canada already signed something saying they'd send people back who were avoiding being drafted.

Now I would like to add Laura Bush to the list. It's bad enough that she would have sex with George Bush *shudder* and allow him to pass on his dna, but now she's his little wind-up stepford wife on the campaign trail.

I totally don't understand the utter rage these people have for conservatism...

Is that venom really all that different from how a lot of conservatives (and people here on arfcom) felt about Bill Clinton - or still feel about Hillary?

Someone should tell Mr. Idiot who is ranting about the draft, that his very own hero, Charlie Rangel is sponsoring the legislation.  Bush has yet to pledge his support...

They're afraid, desperate and becoming more and more humiliated.  Since they cannot blame themselves or their party, they must lash out any way they can.

Quoted: Is that venom really all that different from how a lot of conservatives (and people here on arfcom) felt about Bill Clinton - or still feel about Hillary?

Yes, at least we admit that he was a popular guy who actually won the election, twice!  It does take a special kind of dumb to vote for Kerry.

Quoted: I somehow think getting a blow job in the oval office is not near as bad as lying about reasons for going to war and sending men and women to die when I didn't have a clear-cut plan for exit or even covering up my service record! If we had a free press, the chimp's approval rating would be in the single digits and he wouldn't even be running this time. He'd have been impeached or forced to resign long ago. Anyone who would even consider voting for another four years of this crap - and whatever new evils they are plotting - is either woefully misinformed, uninformed, or certifiable. I just saw GWB and Cheney pretending to be all solemn for a 9/11 memorial at the White House and it made me sick. In their heads they were probably counting all the money they've made off of the memory of the 9/11 victims. If I were a family member of a victim, I would spit on them. I am a public high school teacher in SC and many of my students openly support bu$h, but hey, this is a red(-neck) state. Now I would like to add Laura Bush to the list. It's bad enough that she would have sex with George Bush *shudder* and allow him to pass on his dna, but now she's his little wind-up stepford wife on the campaign trail.

The press doesn't have to be free, it just has to be the way it is right now, left wing.

Laura having sex with George? This person can go straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.


Spit on the President. Wow, just wow.

I geuss there are a lot of "misinformed" people out there.


If this were true, then i am sure that Bush would be impeached.

Quoted: I just saw GWB and Cheney pretending to be all solemn for a 9/11 memorial at the White House and it made me sick. In their heads they were probably counting all the money they've made off of the memory of the 9/11 victims. If I were a family member of a victim, I would spit on them.

But they didn't mind Klinton laughing and yucking it up at funerals....

Dolts.

"If we had a free press?" I LOVE how the Left attempts to make it sound like the media outlets are all SO conservative that they won't let anything bad be said about the Bush presidency!!! ROFL. Uh, hello, been to America, the land of the free, and the home of the megaliberal media???

The Left has been imploding for some time now...but they and most of us didn't really see it coming.

The first real signs were in 1994 when the Republican adults regained control of the congress for the first time in 40 years.  They strengthened their hold in 1996, 1998 and finally in 2000, won it all.

The Left, with their roots in communism, are aghast at what they see as a long term destruction of the liberalism first really begun in 1933 with FDR, then renewed in 1964 with LBJ.  The Reagan years didn't even attack Liberalism nearly as well as Bush and the NeoCons have done.  For the first time since the Depression, Americans are looking to themselves for help MORE than to Uncle Sugar.  For the first time in decades, much of our society is asking the hard question...what SHOULD the role of the government be?  How much impact should it have on our lives?  This is clearly visible to those wonderfully brilliant intellectuals on the Left and they going nuts over it.

The Left is now in full panic mode.  They are terrified that the socialist system that had been building in America and that they have been depending on for decades is now collapsing.  They are lashing out at everybody from Bush to you and me.  Read any of their nasty posts over at DU lately about how incredibly stupid, moronic and poorly eductaed and dismally ignorant, We The Sheeple really are?  I read one asshole today state that besides he and his pals, the Euros are brilliant and we are nothing but a bunch of ignorant, ill-educated low-brow Neanderthals!  They are stunned that WE can actually vote...and have a say in how things are done in Amerca.  They want their old Liberal Oligarchy back again!  They don't see the handwriting on the wall...and they need to look in the mirror to see the real problems sources.

The terrible effects of my '60s generation on the culture and the Body Politic are now fading.  Bush has got it right when he touts an "ownership society".  He has it right when he touts a strong America, striking FIRST if required to prevent more attacks on our homeland.  Bush takes the Constitution and his oath of office seriously.  Liberals like Kerry don't take much seriously...they "feel" all of the nuanced shades of gray and always defer to their French allies before making any hard choices.  It is the Left that have screwed this country up in the last fifty years.  My God...look at the incredibly bad legacy that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton left us if you need examples!

Libs are going to continue to vent about Bush...their hatred is irrational...but they are irrational now as they see their guy and their cause about to crash again.

Dilusional poeple ..... they are truly dilusional .... it is amazing ...

Quoted: The Left has been imploding for some time now...but they and most of us didn't really see it coming. The first real signs were in 1994 when the Republican adults regained control of the congress for the first time in 40 years.  They strengthened their hold in 1996, 1998 and finally in 2000, won it all. The Left, with their roots in communism, are aghast at what they see as a long term destruction of the liberalism first really begun in 1933 with FDR, then renewed in 1964 with LBJ.  The Reagan years didn't even attack Liberalism nearly as well as Bush and the NeoCons have done.  For the first time since the Depression, Americans are looking to themselves for help MORE than to Uncle Sugar.  For the first time in decades, much of our society is asking the hard question...what SHOULD the role of the government be?  How much impact should it have on our lives?  This is clearly visible to those wonderfully brilliant intellectuals on the Left and they going nuts over it. The Left is now in full panic mode.  They are terrified that the socialist system that had been building in America and that they have been depending on for decades is now collapsing.  They are lashing out at everybody from Bush to you and me.  Read any of their nasty posts over at DU lately about how incredibly stupid, moronic and poorly eductaed and dismally ignorant, We The Sheeple really are?  I read one asshole today state that besides he and his pals, the Euros are brilliant and we are nothing but a bunch of ignorant, ill-educated low-brow Neanderthals!  They are stunned that WE can actually vote...and have a say in how things are done in Amerca.  They want their old Liberal Oligarchy back again!  They don't see the handwriting on the wall...and they need to look in the mirror to see the real problems sources. The terrible effects of my '60s generation on the culture and the Body Politic are now fading.  Bush has got it right when he touts an "ownership society".  He has it right when he touts a strong America, striking FIRST if required to prevent more attacks on our homeland.  Bush takes the Constitution and his oath of office seriously.  Liberals like Kerry don't take much seriously...they "feel" all of the nuanced shades of gray and always defer to their French allies before making any hard choices.  It is the Left that have screwed this country up in the last fifty years.  My God...look at the incredibly bad legacy that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton left us if you need examples! Libs are going to continue to vent about Bush...their hatred is irrational...but they are irrational now as they see their guy and their cause about to crash again.

Nice post, thanks

I am a public high school teacher in SC and many of my students openly support bu$h, but hey, this is a red(-neck) state. There are quite a few who are now 18 and this will be their first time voting and they say that they have already made their decision for chimpy. When I tell them about the two bills in Congress which are calling for reinstatement of the draft to cover the shortage of troops needed for the oil wars (if I used this term openly in class, I would be reprimanded, so I try to be as neutral as possible), they stare at me in disbelief. Many tell me that they do not believe me, or that if it does happen, it will never happen to them personally. Then I hear how they can beat the draft even if it is reinstated. My school district is located in a rather wealthy region of the state (there are two South Carolinas: a very distinct line between the haves and the have-nots) and maybe 'Cheney-itis' is contagious; you know, gutsy as heck with other people's blood, but not their own. It wrenches my gut every time I think about how my vote for Kerry will not count (actually be swallowed up in a sea of ignorance) because of the Electoral College system.

It doesn't say what subject she teaches but I can tell you it is not English!
With teachers like this ignorant one here it is no wonder many students can't function after graduating from HS!

We can only prayer that this is the case!

BigDozer66

You know, if these guys hated terrorists half as much as they hated Republicans, I might think about voting for them.

Oh wait, there are no terrorists, all the attacks were ordered by Bush, especially the ones that happened overseas during the Clinton administration.

Quoted: I am a public high school teacher in SC and many of my students openly support bu$h, but hey, this is a red(-neck) state. There are quite a few who are now 18 and this will be their first time voting and they say that they have already made their decision for chimpy. When I tell them about the two bills in Congress which are calling for reinstatement of the draft to cover the shortage of troops needed for the oil wars (if I used this term openly in class, I would be reprimanded, so I try to be as neutral as possible), they stare at me in disbelief. Many tell me that they do not believe me, or that if it does happen, it will never happen to them personally. Then I hear how they can beat the draft even if it is reinstated. My school district is located in a rather wealthy region of the state (there are two South Carolinas: a very distinct line between the haves and the have-nots) and maybe 'Cheney-itis' is contagious; you know, gutsy as heck with other people's blood, but not their own. It wrenches my gut every time I think about how my vote for Kerry will not count (actually be swallowed up in a sea of ignorance) because of the Electoral College system. It doesn't say what subject she teaches but I can tell you it is not English! With teachers like this ignorant one here it is no wonder many students can't function after graduating from HS! We can only prayer that this is the case! BigDozer66

Some of the poorest students I saw taking grad school classes were practicing teachers.  I have always thought that was a crappy testament to our educational system.  Then some years later, I lived next door to a young grammar school principal.  I was stunned at his lack of knowledge on a variety of topics.  Nice enough guy...but really ignorant.

Guess he knew how to teach though...right?

Quoted: I like the teacher in SC, who states that they live in a wealthy area in SC, I wonder how this person feels about the causes for the extreme division between the haves and have nots in that state, the have nots are a product of the democratic parties selfish behaviour and policy, and yet the vast number of abjectly poor in SC vote Democrat every election.

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True.  Several of these "poor" areas are ripe with drug and alcohol problems.  My GF worked as a school psychologist in one of these areas.  30-40% of the kids had mental health prblems or low IQs.  Some from genetic factors others from drug/ alcohol use during pegnancy.    Much money has been spent on these areas but the problems don't seem to get better.  The local media and celeberities have adopted this area in an effort to improve it.  That has been about as successful as spending more money. Many of the parents don't care they don't even attend the meetings she sets-up once they determine that the child qualifies for extra help.  

Yes these areas are messed-up but that doesn't mean that you should blame the "haves" for all the problems of the "have nots".

I am a public high school teacher in SC and many of my students openly support bu$h, but hey, this is a red(-neck) state. There are quite a few who are now 18 and this will be their first time voting and they say that they have already made their decision for chimpy. When I tell them about the two bills in Congress which are calling for reinstatement of the draft to cover the shortage of troops needed for the oil wars (if I used this term openly in class, I would be reprimanded, so I try to be as neutral as possible), they stare at me in disbelief. Many tell me that they do not believe me, or that if it does happen, it will never happen to them personally. Then I hear how they can beat the draft even if it is reinstated. My school district is located in a rather wealthy region of the state (there are two South Carolinas: a very distinct line between the haves and the have-nots) and maybe 'Cheney-itis' is contagious; you know, gutsy as heck with other people's blood, but not their own. It wrenches my gut every time I think about how my vote for Kerry will not count (actually be swallowed up in a sea of ignorance) because of the Electoral College system.

With good reason, you ARE lying. Proving yet again that the students can be more intelligent than the teachers.

The "two bills" are both products of liberal Democrats, have been there for two years without any support, are not "to cover the shortage of troops", and are not being considered serious (unless you are a liberal Democrat.)

In short, you are a liar as your students suspect.

-LS

The very fact that a man such as Bush causes such fury reflects rather on the speaker and their mental health than on the man they are furious at.
Regarding the draft, Lincoln was the first to use it and yet every school teacher I have ever talked with thinks he is a hero?  Possibly there are issues more significant?  Also, doesn't Congress have to authorize any such action, although the president may request it it is only by "an act of congress" that it can happen.

Why is it we keep hearing about oil wars?  This war is not about oil.  If you want to see an oil war look at Clinton's ruthless bombing of the Christian nation of Serbia to try and get the pipeline through their country (he even bombed churches on Easter when they were full of people!).

I know more about the media and their bias than the average American will ever have the chance to see.  Growing up my father was the spoksman for a very controversial political group in Oregon (OCA), I got to watch the news interviews and then see how they could twist what he said (they can do that with TV, not just news paper).  If you pay any attention to the news now you can tell they are trying as hard as possible to make Bush look bad.  There is NOTHING out there that could hurt Bush that the news is covering up.

If you are going to spew such venom try to atleast speak the truth then maybe your foul language and rude presentation would be excusible.
knifemaker02

By the way, are you are actually in KS or SC?

Very eloquent post. Thanks.

Quoted: The Left has been imploding for some time now...but they and most of us didn't really see it coming. The first real signs were in 1994 when the Republican adults regained control of the congress for the first time in 40 years.  They strengthened their hold in 1996, 1998 and finally in 2000, won it all. The Left, with their roots in communism, are aghast at what they see as a long term destruction of the liberalism first really begun in 1933 with FDR, then renewed in 1964 with LBJ.  The Reagan years didn't even attack Liberalism nearly as well as Bush and the NeoCons have done.  For the first time since the Depression, Americans are looking to themselves for help MORE than to Uncle Sugar.  For the first time in decades, much of our society is asking the hard question...what SHOULD the role of the government be?  How much impact should it have on our lives?  This is clearly visible to those wonderfully brilliant intellectuals on the Left and they going nuts over it. The Left is now in full panic mode.  They are terrified that the socialist system that had been building in America and that they have been depending on for decades is now collapsing.  They are lashing out at everybody from Bush to you and me.  Read any of their nasty posts over at DU lately about how incredibly stupid, moronic and poorly eductaed and dismally ignorant, We The Sheeple really are?  I read one asshole today state that besides he and his pals, the Euros are brilliant and we are nothing but a bunch of ignorant, ill-educated low-brow Neanderthals!  They are stunned that WE can actually vote...and have a say in how things are done in Amerca.  They want their old Liberal Oligarchy back again!  They don't see the handwriting on the wall...and they need to look in the mirror to see the real problems sources. The terrible effects of my '60s generation on the culture and the Body Politic are now fading.  Bush has got it right when he touts an "ownership society".  He has it right when he touts a strong America, striking FIRST if required to prevent more attacks on our homeland.  Bush takes the Constitution and his oath of office seriously.  Liberals like Kerry don't take much seriously...they "feel" all of the nuanced shades of gray and always defer to their French allies before making any hard choices.  It is the Left that have screwed this country up in the last fifty years.  My God...look at the incredibly bad legacy that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton left us if you need examples! Libs are going to continue to vent about Bush...their hatred is irrational...but they are irrational now as they see their guy and their cause about to crash again.

Quoted: Anybody want to guess where SC schools are in the national rankings? This assclown is doing such a good job teaching the kids to be liberals that she is forgetting to teach them how to read and right, but Given the state of politics in SC, she only really wnats them to be able to make a mark when they vote for the Democrat candidate DuJour.

That typo was just a little ironic !      (I'm assuming it was a typo, not a misspelling )

Quoted: Is that venom really all that different from how a lot of conservatives (and people here on arfcom) felt about Bill Clinton - or still feel about Hillary?

Very little difference, actually. But, IMO, we have valid reasons (social medicine, gun grabbing, etc.)for those feelings whereas Bush has done nothing to them except A) thrown them out of power, & B) "lied" to them.

Everytime I ask some jackass liberal why they hate Bush SO much, I just get blubbering in response. Amazing.

Quoted: Is that venom really all that different from how a lot of conservatives (and people here on arfcom) felt about Bill Clinton - or still feel about Hillary?

Yes.  The difference is that they really are evil.

GunLvr

Quoted: Quoted: I am a public high school teacher in SC and many of my students openly support bu$h, but hey, this is a red(-neck) state. There are quite a few who are now 18 and this will be their first time voting and they say that they have already made their decision for chimpy. When I tell them about the two bills in Congress which are calling for reinstatement of the draft to cover the shortage of troops needed for the oil wars (if I used this term openly in class, I would be reprimanded, so I try to be as neutral as possible), they stare at me in disbelief. Many tell me that they do not believe me, or that if it does happen, it will never happen to them personally. Then I hear how they can beat the draft even if it is reinstated. My school district is located in a rather wealthy region of the state (there are two South Carolinas: a very distinct line between the haves and the have-nots) and maybe 'Cheney-itis' is contagious; you know, gutsy as heck with other people's blood, but not their own. It wrenches my gut every time I think about how my vote for Kerry will not count (actually be swallowed up in a sea of ignorance) because of the Electoral College system. It doesn't say what subject she teaches but I can tell you it is not English! With teachers like this ignorant one here it is no wonder many students can't function after graduating from HS! We can only prayer that this is the case! BigDozer66 Some of the poorest students I saw taking grad school classes were practicing teachers.  I have always thought that was a crappy testament to our educational system.  Then some years later, I lived next door to a young grammar school principal.  I was stunned at his lack of knowledge on a variety of topics.  Nice enough guy...but really ignorant. Guess he knew how to teach though...right?

Simple enough really.
Those who can do. those who can't teach.

Quoted: Is that venom really all that different from how a lot of conservatives (and people here on arfcom) felt about Bill Clinton - or still feel about Hillary?

Yes. At least our seething has SOME foundation / connection to Reality and verifiable Facts.

Quoted: Is that venom really all that different from how a lot of conservatives (and people here on arfcom) felt about Bill Clinton - or still feel about Hillary?

Not much different, HOWEVER, Clinton and Hillary WERE doing wrong, WERE lying, WERE having blowjobs in the oval office, WERE doing a host of other horrible activites such has having Commie Chinese over in the White House and getting funding from them.

This vitriol is not warranted as everything they are ranting about can be DIS-proven with fact and research.  Such as the high school teacher telling students about the draft bills in congress.  
First off, they are in Congress, as far as I remember the Legislative branch and Executive branch were seperate entities.
Second theose bills are written and sponsored by DEMOCRATS.  She is OPENLY lying to her students to swing their votes.

The democrats in charge and in the media want people thinking exactly this, that "well the Republicans complained about Clinton so turnabout is fairplay".  WHICH IS BULLSHIT!  Clinton was a lying sack of crap and Hillary was his Co-president.  We had the right to complain about him because it could be PROVEN that he did bad things.  They have not been able to PROVE anything about Bush and Bush HAS accomplished many good things.

Originally posted by BobCole -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: Is that venom really all that different from how a lot of conservatives (and people here on arfcom) felt about Bill Clinton - or still feel about Hillary? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Very little difference, actually. But, IMO, we have valid reasons (social medicine, gun grabbing, etc.)for those feelings whereas Bush has done nothing to them except A) thrown them out of power, & B) "lied" to them. Everytime I ask some jackass liberal why they hate Bush SO much, I just get blubbering in response. Amazing.

I remembered seeing this once but I think it will go in this post well.  DU'ers say Bush is the worst president in history. Let's see:

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S history. Let's clear up one point: President Bush didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11............. On the watch of the Democrats..................

Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims:

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost,
an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
Over 2,900 lives lost on 9/11.

In the three years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries,
crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost about 1000 soldiers, an average of 333 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.

Worst president in history? Come on!

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time
than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy
the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida in 2000!!!!

Chew on them apples you damn DU'ers

archer2

Heck two year olds have more maturity than they do. They are way outa line, and way off base. I really do not see four years with sKerry. Please tell me it just can't be that there is a snow balls chance in hell sKerry will win.