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Posted: 1/6/2005 6:19:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2005 4:11:46 PM EDT by 646]
I have a big problem…I went for dialup internet to Valor DSL, well now I can not access AR15.com and rimfirecentral.com and a few others went I use DSL…But when I use dialup it works every time….Does anyone have any idea what the problem is? Thanks for any help…(I am using my dialup right now, that is how I am able to post)
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 6:20:48 PM EDT
have you tried getting on to other firearm websites or say porno? Are there filters in place of which you are not aware?
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 6:21:50 PM EDT
someone had the same problem on here found out it was the isp cox cable or charter i think.
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 6:38:07 PM EDT
When connected to the DSL connectrion do this..

click start
run
then in the run box typpe the word "command" (without the quotes)


you should get a black box that opens..

in there type this..

nslookup ar15.com

then hit enter

do you get this result..

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: ar15.com
Address: 69.95.2.67


you can do the same for the other website. It should return this..

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: rimfirecentral.com
Address: 69.93.244.52
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 7:31:15 PM EDT
yes I got those same messages when I tryed, but there was some info about the server before the message...Thanks for helping....
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 7:43:01 PM EDT
so what does all of that mean...I am screwed
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 7:44:30 PM EDT
That other info is fine. Those are your IPSs name servers. What error are you getting when you try to get to the problem sites? What version of Windows are you using, and are you using Internet Explorer?
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 7:45:36 PM EDT
Have you tried www.jobrelatedstuff.com/?
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 7:48:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 7:49:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2005 7:51:07 PM EDT by peekay]
start -> run -> cmd

telnet www.ar15.com 80

It will either bitch about not connecting or the dos window will clear and your cursor will be sitting in the top left corner. If the cursor is in the top left corner, you can successfully reach the web server.

edit: also, do a:

tracert www.ar15.com

From a dos window and post it.
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 7:49:33 PM EDT
I tryed the jobrelatedsuff website and no luck....I get that white page that says "Page can not be displayed" or something like that...I am running windows XP home, and Internet Explorer.
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 7:49:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By billparadise:
Have you tried www.jobrelatedstuff.com/?



If that, and www.banedsr.com come up, then ar15.com are blocked at a level beyond your computer. If that were the case, I'd ditch that provider so fast, they wouldn't know what hit 'em. Or didn't.
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 7:51:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eton98:
Check out my post here :

ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=310716




tryed your page and I got "The page cannot be displayed"
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 7:53:14 PM EDT


tracert www.ar15.com

From a dos window and post it

.......I did this with a tech guy on the phone and I got some message that he said was not good.
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 7:54:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 646:

tracert www.ar15.com

From a dos window and post it

.......I did this with a tech guy on the phone and I got some message that he said was not good.



so post it
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:08:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2005 8:08:47 PM EDT by 646]
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\k>tracert www.ar15.com

Tracing route to ar15.com [69.95.2.67]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 * 86 ms 86 ms ip-72-16-2-1.valornet.com [72.16.2.1]
2 111 ms 94 ms 84 ms 500.Serial4-7.GW6.DFW7.ALTER.NET [157.130.132.10
5]
3 91 ms 104 ms 92 ms 146.at-5-0-0.CL2.DFW13.ALTER.NET [152.63.102.74]

4 87 ms 83 ms 103 ms POS7-0.GW2.DFW13.ALTER.NET [152.63.103.229]
5 93 ms 103 ms 93 ms wcgGigE-gw3.customer.alter.net [157.130.30.250]

6 84 ms 83 ms 87 ms dllstx1wcx3-pos13-2-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.105.65]

7 97 ms 86 ms 87 ms hstntx1wcx3-pos1-0-oc192.wcg.net [64.200.210.66]

8 84 ms 99 ms 88 ms hstntx1wcx2-pos9-0-oc48.wcg.net [65.77.93.201]
9 120 ms 125 ms 124 ms drvlga1wcx2-pos12-0.wcg.net [64.200.240.78]
10 113 ms 119 ms 116 ms hrndva1wcx3-pos14-0-oc192.wcg.net [64.200.210.23
8]
11 127 ms 131 ms 129 ms hrndva1wcx2-pos4-0-oc192.wcg.net [64.200.89.121]

12 122 ms 124 ms 127 ms nycmny2wcx2-pos1-0-oc192.wcg.net [64.200.210.177
]
13 128 ms 125 ms 130 ms nycmny2wcx3-pos11-3.wcg.net [64.200.68.98]
14 130 ms 145 ms 123 ms nycmny1wce2-pos3-0.wcg.net [64.200.68.102]
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:09:50 PM EDT
so what does all of that mean?
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:10:12 PM EDT
Looks fine, and the telnet?
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:11:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 646:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\k>tracert www.ar15.com

Tracing route to ar15.com [69.95.2.67]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 * 86 ms 86 ms ip-72-16-2-1.valornet.com [72.16.2.1]
2 111 ms 94 ms 84 ms 500.Serial4-7.GW6.DFW7.ALTER.NET [157.130.132.10
5]
3 91 ms 104 ms 92 ms 146.at-5-0-0.CL2.DFW13.ALTER.NET [152.63.102.74]

4 87 ms 83 ms 103 ms POS7-0.GW2.DFW13.ALTER.NET [152.63.103.229]
5 93 ms 103 ms 93 ms wcgGigE-gw3.customer.alter.net [157.130.30.250]

6 84 ms 83 ms 87 ms dllstx1wcx3-pos13-2-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.105.65]

7 97 ms 86 ms 87 ms hstntx1wcx3-pos1-0-oc192.wcg.net [64.200.210.66]

8 84 ms 99 ms 88 ms hstntx1wcx2-pos9-0-oc48.wcg.net [65.77.93.201]
9 120 ms 125 ms 124 ms drvlga1wcx2-pos12-0.wcg.net [64.200.240.78]
10 113 ms 119 ms 116 ms hrndva1wcx3-pos14-0-oc192.wcg.net [64.200.210.23
8]
11 127 ms 131 ms 129 ms hrndva1wcx2-pos4-0-oc192.wcg.net [64.200.89.121]

12 122 ms 124 ms 127 ms nycmny2wcx2-pos1-0-oc192.wcg.net [64.200.210.177
]
13 128 ms 125 ms 130 ms nycmny2wcx3-pos11-3.wcg.net [64.200.68.98]
14 130 ms 145 ms 123 ms nycmny1wce2-pos3-0.wcg.net [64.200.68.102]
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.



I get the same "Request timed out." but can access the site just fine so the problem must be elsewhere.
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:15:24 PM EDT
tagged

Maybe I can learn something
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:20:36 PM EDT
TELNET RESULTS

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\k>telnet www.ar15.com 80
Connecting To www.ar15.com...Could not open connection to the host, on port 80:
Connect failed

C:\Documents and Settings\k>
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:22:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 646:
TELNET RESULTS

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\k>telnet www.ar15.com 80
Connecting To www.ar15.com...Could not open connection to the host, on port 80:
Connect failed

C:\Documents and Settings\k>



So, you're blocked. get a new ISP.
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:23:28 PM EDT
I used to have the site bookmarked, do a google search and try to find the number for thier Network Operations Center (NOC) call them and talk to them directly, worked for me.
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:26:25 PM EDT
ISP Means? Internet service provider, is that correct?...I live in a area were the was at one time only one interent service provider and it was dialup (what I am on now) well the telephone co. (Valor) came out and offered DSL for a resonable price so I jumped on it and am now having all kinds of hell....
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:46:20 PM EDT
I have never heard of Valor before, so you may want to call them up and ask them if they do any content filtering. Most ISPs do not do this kind of thing so it would seem odd to me that they are filtering web sites but who knows. Can you get to porn sites? maybe try to go to playboy.com or something and see if it has the same problems.

Have you had any issues with spyware? Like getting pop-ups, or page redirections when suring?
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:48:03 PM EDT
it may be just a routing problem and not even his isp. it happens from time to time. call them up and ask. see what they say. fiber lines get cut. this can render some sites offline while others work fine.

-foxxz
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:55:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Foxxz:
it may be just a routing problem and not even his isp. it happens from time to time. call them up and ask. see what they say. fiber lines get cut. this can render some sites offline while others work fine.

-foxxz




It doesn't look to be a routing issue. If you look at his traceroute above you can see this. If you do a traceroute yourself you will get to the same spot he does then get the time outs.



Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:58:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gbf:
I have never heard of Valor before, so you may want to call them up and ask them if they do any content filtering. Most ISPs do not do this kind of thing so it would seem odd to me that they are filtering web sites but who knows. Can you get to porn sites? maybe try to go to playboy.com or something and see if it has the same problems.

Have you had any issues with spyware? Like getting pop-ups, or page redirections when suring?



I called them and they said they do not filter. I have tried porn sites and I can access them....no problems with spyware or popups or redirections....They said they would be looking into the problem but I still just dont understand

Thanks for everyones input and help...If anyone has any more ideas please let me know...thanks
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 8:58:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2005 9:00:05 PM EDT by 646]
edit double post
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 9:01:25 PM EDT
Can anyone find the number for thier NOC? If you want I'll call you and do a 3-way call between you and thier NOC or tech-support.

I have done Tech support before and I know how they BS you.
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 9:06:11 PM EDT
Taxman, I sent you an IM
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 9:08:02 PM EDT
Just to try to rule out a few more things on your side..

Have you tried restarting the computer? With windows you never know.

Is there a firewall on the computer? You could try to disable it if there is.

You could try to download and install another web browser. Here is a link to mozilla firefox http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

You could also try to set a proxy server into IE. What this does is basically bounces you web requests off another server. Here is a list of some free ones...

http://www.aliveproxy.com/transparent-proxy-list/

to set those open Internet Explorer go to tools, internet options, click the connections tab then click lan settings. Put a check in use a proxy server. then put in the ip address and port of the proxy

Link Posted: 1/6/2005 9:46:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2005 9:46:50 PM EDT by 646]
I would Like to thank Taxman for his time and effort, and getting me in the right direction
Link Posted: 1/7/2005 3:28:50 AM EDT
Had to hit the sack was getting late, did you get fixed up?
Link Posted: 1/7/2005 3:31:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By peekay:
Had to hit the sack was getting late, did you get fixed up?



I called him and went over a few things, we talked to tech support again, they are supposed to send a NOC ticket to be looked into, nothing wrong on his system it appears.
Link Posted: 1/7/2005 4:10:49 PM EDT
THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR HELP....I am up and running something about the IP address was not being accepted so they had to some how give me an odler IP address so that AR15.com would take it...THanks again Taxman and Peekay for going going out of your way to help me.
Link Posted: 1/7/2005 7:44:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 646:
THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR HELP....I am up and running something about the IP address was not being accepted so they had to some how give me an odler IP address so that AR15.com would take it...THanks again Taxman and Peekay for going going out of your way to help me.



Sounds like you might have received the old IP address of a former troll.
Link Posted: 1/7/2005 7:51:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gbf:
Just to try to rule out a few more things on your side..

Have you tried restarting the computer? With windows you never know.

Is there a firewall on the computer? You could try to disable it if there is.

You could try to download and install another web browser. Here is a link to mozilla firefox http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

You could also try to set a proxy server into IE. What this does is basically bounces you web requests off another server. Here is a list of some free ones...

http://www.aliveproxy.com/transparent-proxy-list/

to set those open Internet Explorer go to tools, internet options, click the connections tab then click lan settings. Put a check in use a proxy server. then put in the ip address and port of the proxy




For others who might visit this post with a similar problem, gbf was on the right track.

First ask your ISP if they are filtering. If not, then to rule out a routing issue, use an free proxy sever from the Internet. Any proxy server on the Internet will rule out the routing issue (as long as it is located on a different subnet than your IP address). To rule out your IP address being banned, you need to find a proxy server on the Internet that uses its own IP address as the requesting address, rather than passing your own IP address to the source as the requestor.
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