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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:02:28 AM EST
The market is not terribly happy, seems to me.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:03:37 AM EST
Is the roof on fire yet?
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:03:56 AM EST
It already broke the support of 12617

The next big support level is 12101
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:04:55 AM EST
PPT lurks in the shadows...
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:05:22 AM EST
10,000 by 1-1-13
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:13:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By GoVol98:
10,000 by 1-1-13


I'll buy at that level.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:13:13 AM EST
It will hit 4 digit values again...bank on that like your lives savings depend on it.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:14:05 AM EST
As long as QE3 is in place, the market won't crash.


Until other nations stop accepting the toilet paper dollar for trade.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:14:50 AM EST
I am happily holding on to my triple leveraged bear funds.

Up nicely since Obama won.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:16:07 AM EST
Originally Posted By macro:
It will hit 4 digit values again...bank on that like your lives savings depend on it.


I'd like to see the S&P hit three digits. My 401k is in cash and short term bonds. With the sucky choices about the only way I can make much is to catch a rising tide.

Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:17:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By GoVol98:
10,000 by 1-1-13


I'll buy at that level.

Buy what?
Some index fund?
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:19:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:

Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By GoVol98:
10,000 by 1-1-13


I'll buy at that level.

Buy what?
Some index fund?


Yup. There will be one last run up of the market if it goes down that far. The run up will be driven by desperation dollars on the last gasp of QE bullshit, but i'll take 2000 to 3000 points of upside and then bail out again.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:20:01 AM EST
The day before the elction we saw that unemployment ticked up to 7.9 from that BS 7.8.

Consumer sales dropped in Oct.

Let a wave of disappointing 3rd Q corporate reports come in and watch what happens.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:21:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:

Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By GoVol98:
10,000 by 1-1-13


I'll buy at that level.

Buy what?
Some index fund?


Yup. There will be one last run up of the market if it goes down that far. The run up will be driven by desperation dollars on the last gasp of QE bullshit, but i'll take 2000 to 3000 points of upside and then bail out again.

I'll do the same exact thing.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:24:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:

Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By GoVol98:
10,000 by 1-1-13


I'll buy at that level.

Buy what?
Some index fund?


FAZ if you are inclined to bet against the market.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:28:17 AM EST
Not to worry the Christmas rush to but stuff will save us all.....wait..... most of that stuff is made in China.

We are all doomed.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:32:07 AM EST


Obama will save your retirement funds... Don't worry.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:33:42 AM EST
12,544.00 atm
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:38:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheJacket:


Obama will save your retirement funds for the FSA... Don't worry.


That is what worries me.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:39:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By M82Assault:
As long as QE3 is in place, the market won't crash.


Until other nations stop accepting the toilet paper dollar for trade.


Keep the presses running.
Its worked so far. Why stop.

I think what has helped keep the Dollar up is commodities are still cheap compared
to a worthless dollar.

I also think China is still buying all the commodities they can and stockpiling.
You can't find a piece of scrap steel around here. All is being sold for top dollar in what is a
very down construction market has me suspicious.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:39:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By GoVol98:
10,000 by 1-1-13

Not sure if it will go that low, but it most certainly will be below 12,000 by that point, possibly 11,000.

A "deal" on taxes and the fiscal cliff will probably stop much of the bleeding.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:39:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By GoVol98:
10,000 by 1-1-13


I'll buy at that level.

+1. In a heartbeat.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:40:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/15/2012 8:42:46 AM EST by sovereign]
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:40:59 AM EST
should i be moving my 401k? And if so, what should I move it to?

Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:42:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/15/2012 8:42:29 AM EST by glklvr]
Originally Posted By JINXR:
should i be moving my 401k? And if so, what should I move it to?



your mattress.

Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:45:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By CasualObserver:
Originally Posted By TheJacket:


Obama will save your retirement funds for the FSA... Don't worry.


That is what worries me.


We get a plunge like 2008 and I think 0bama will throw out talks on the goverment taking over "management" of retirement accounts for the "security of the people."

A folks will line up to support it.

Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:45:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By JINXR:
should i be moving my 401k? And if so, what should I move it to?



How old are you? If you are young just wait it out. The market WILL recover, history has proved that. I have 30 plus years to profit from rock bottom stock prices now :-)


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Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:48:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By M82Assault:
As long as QE3 is in place, the market won't crash.


Until other nations stop accepting the toilet paper dollar for trade.


They already have for the most part. Now we just buy our own debt.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:51:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By LuckyDucky:
It already broke the support of 12617

The next big support level is 12101

I was gonna say, it's already below the 200-day SMA.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:52:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By macpherson:
Originally Posted By JINXR:
should i be moving my 401k? And if so, what should I move it to?



How old are you? If you are young just wait it out. The market WILL recover, history has proved that. I have 30 plus years to profit from rock bottom stock prices now :-)


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history has proved that the market *usually* recovers, and will do so in spite of many ridiculously misguided and even harmful policies.

Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:53:49 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:54:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By macpherson:
Originally Posted By JINXR:
should i be moving my 401k? And if so, what should I move it to?



How old are you? If you are young just wait it out. The market WILL recover, history has proved that. I have 30 plus years to profit from rock bottom stock prices now :-)


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30

I just want to put it into something temporarily, then move it back over after I think it has bottomed out

Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:58:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By macpherson:
Originally Posted By JINXR:
should i be moving my 401k? And if so, what should I move it to?



How old are you? If you are young just wait it out. The market WILL recover, history has proved that. I have 30 plus years to profit from rock bottom stock prices now :-)


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Not so sure. It could all go under due to the government debt and unreformed entitlements. How did Rome's stock market do?

That said, I'm not saying you should pull all your money out of the market. Where else would you put it? It might be good to have some PMs on hand (and other preps), but I don't see how $100k or $500k could be reinvested in something better then the market. If it all goes it all goes. If you are really, really rich a nice sailboat and a well set up private island might be the ticket.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:59:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/15/2012 9:00:38 AM EST by ContrarianIndicator]


If it breaks the 12101 Low from back in June, I would start to worry.

Lower Highs and Lower Lows. Keep and eye out for it.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:05:14 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:06:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/15/2012 9:08:41 AM EST by emsjeep]


I've been relatively stable through this...minimal losses, but then again, small gains -nevermind losses- are a failure in traditionally stable investments, so, yeah, I'm boned.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:06:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By bullyforyou:

history has proved that the market *usually* recovers, and will do so in spite of many ridiculously misguided and even harmful policies.



Yeah, I think bottom here is gonna be bad.

We have Obama, who is doing everythign wrong, and a country that just re-eected him. We have a flatlined economy and massive national debt. And we have an oncoming tidal wave of unreformed entitlements. The most likely outcome I think is hyperinflation.

I just don't see how we will turn this around. It could be turned around in theory, but a POTUS who hasn't had a budget in three years and who has been running deficits over $1T isn't likely to turn it around, particularly when the actions required go against his ideology. Clearly the average voter in 2012 has no clue.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:09:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By JINXR:
should i be moving my 401k? And if so, what should I move it to?



Pounds Sterling, or any bank with a non US/EU currency.



I put it all in a TRP STABLE VALUE FUND (sch b)

I can switch back to my old 2045 retirement fun after 30 days or move it to 2050 at any time, which gives me the same basic effect as going back to 2045. Then after my 30 days is up I can go back to 2045 if I need to.


Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:10:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By JINXR:
should i be moving my 401k? And if so, what should I move it to?



Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:18:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By GoVol98:
10,000 by 1-1-13


I remember back in 2000 when it first started going over 10k.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:19:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/15/2012 9:19:31 AM EST by a-bare]
Originally Posted By glklvr:
Originally Posted By CasualObserver:
Originally Posted By TheJacket:


Obama will save your retirement funds for the FSA... Don't worry.


That is what worries me.


We get a plunge like 2008 and I think 0bama will throw out talks on the goverment taking over "management" of retirement accounts for the "security of the people."

A folks will line up to support it.



Of course they'll line up to support it!

It'll be the same people who lined up to vote for him.
The FSA.
They need OUR money.

a-bare

Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:20:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By glklvr:
Originally Posted By CasualObserver:
Originally Posted By TheJacket:


Obama will save your retirement funds for the FSA... Don't worry.


That is what worries me.


We get a plunge like 2008 and I think 0bama will throw out talks on the goverment taking over "management" of retirement accounts for the "security of the people."

A folks will line up to support it.



There's already a "White Paper" for the government takeover of 401K accounts.


Look up Teresa Ghilarducci and 401K.

They call it "Guaranteed Retirement Accounts." Step one will be transferring all current 401K and IRAs into a nationalized fund.

Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:23:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
The market is not terribly happy, seems to me.


Are you following Fibonacci numbers? I hope you & Mr. Fibonacci are both correct on that support level.

Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:28:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By glklvr:
Originally Posted By CasualObserver:
Originally Posted By TheJacket:


Obama will save your retirement funds for the FSA... Don't worry.


That is what worries me.


We get a plunge like 2008 and I think 0bama will throw out talks on the goverment taking over "management" of retirement accounts for the "security of the people."

A folks will line up to support it.



There's already a "White Paper" for the government takeover of 401K accounts.


Look up Teresa Ghilarducci and 401K.

They call it "Guaranteed Retirement Accounts." Step one will be transferring all current 401K and IRAs into a nationalized fund.



Steps:
1. Announce guaranteed retirements
2. Watch runs on banks
3. ?

Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:38:55 AM EST
Yep, under 10,000 by December 2013.

Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:49:19 AM EST
Yep, under 10,000 by December 2013.

Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:57:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By GarandM1:

Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By GoVol98:
10,000 by 1-1-13


I'll buy at that level.

+1. In a heartbeat.


This is my plan also.

I have a sizable amount of cash i would contribute when the maket drops below 10,500.

4073
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 10:02:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Yep, under 10,000 by December 2013.



Hell, it's gone down 1000 in the last month. I'd be surprised if it makes it to July staying above 10,000.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 10:07:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/15/2012 10:20:33 AM EST by woodsie]
Originally Posted By GoVol98:
10,000 by 1-1-13


$1,000 in December 31st Put Options on DIA with a strike price of $110 would yield a profit of $61,500 if that is true.

I take it you've called your broker already?
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 10:20:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/15/2012 10:21:09 AM EST by woodsie]
Originally Posted By woodsie:
Originally Posted By GoVol98:
10,000 by 1-1-13


$1,000 in December 31st Put Options on DIA with a strike price of $110 would yield a profit of $61,500 if that is true.

I take it you've called your broker already?


I fent. Just bought:

December 31st Put Options
20 Contracts at $120 strike
10 Contracts at $110 strike

Spent $1380 total. Giddy up.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 10:24:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By woodsie:
Originally Posted By GoVol98:
10,000 by 1-1-13


$1,000 in December 31st Put Options on DIA with a strike price of $110 would yield a profit of $61,500 if that is true.

I take it you've called your broker already?


I wish I understood what that shit means ...

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