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Posted: 9/16/2004 9:45:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2004 9:47:02 PM EST by Adirondack1]
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 9:49:15 PM EST
Thats the longest URL I have ever seen.

Ben And Jerry's sucks. Those liberal, gun grabing tree huggers hate everything we stand for.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 9:51:53 PM EST
That shouldnt be news to anyone.

Dont buy Levis or Dockers

Anything French

Anything else I should boycott?
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 9:54:10 PM EST

Dont buy Levis or Dockers


Whats up with Levis?
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 9:54:23 PM EST
Yeah, McDOnalds is destroying the rain forest.

Coke sells it's product in Vietnam and Red China.

There's a million morally bankrupt companies.


I love them all.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 9:56:20 PM EST
I need A couple of cookies for my gun budget
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 9:58:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By OFFSHORE:

Dont buy Levis or Dockers


Whats up with Levis?



They give a lot of money to some anit-gun outfit
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 9:58:46 PM EST
I would guess that Michael Moore's diet consists solely of Ben and Jerry's. They have got to be tight.

Link Posted: 9/16/2004 9:59:48 PM EST
Where does it say that Ben&Jerrys are affiliated with these people?

I don't eat ice cream anymore, just curious.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 10:00:04 PM EST
Levi Strauss is circling the bowl anyway...

www.mcall.com/business/local/all-levissep10,0,1729336.story?coll=all-businesslocal-hed

American icon Levi's struggles to regain its market share
Company was slow to respond to changes in American fashions.

By Mary Anne Ostrom
Knight Ridder Newspapers

SAN JOSE, Calif. | For generations, Levi's made America's fashion statement to the world.

Today, the company founded in San Francisco 151 years ago is struggling to survive, remaking its slumping business in ways once deemed unthinkable.

The decline of Levi Strauss is a timely parable of how a well-loved American icon lost its way and must scramble to catch up, a study of the pitfalls and opportunities of fast-paced international competition.

Though Levi's remains the world's best-selling brand of jeans, the company lost its fashion step and then fumbled attempts to revive itself. It fidgeted as customers fled to Wal-Mart and as rivals, such as the Gap, moved manufacturing to chase cheap foreign labor.

''Levi's was the jean of the rock 'n' roll generation. We certainly haven't been the jean of the hip-hop generation,'' Chief Executive Officer Philip Marineau said in a recent interview.

''Levi's in many ways was a victim of its own success. We were so wildly successful as the jeans-wear leader around the world that we didn't change as the marketplace changed,'' he said.

In San Francisco, where Levi's are woven tightly into the city's colorful history, the company's struggles mark more than just another business decline. Privately controlled by the Haas family, descendants of Bavarian immigrant Levi Strauss, the company represents an important San Francisco heritage, especially as other stalwarts — including Bank of America, Pacific Bell and Transamerica — have been swallowed by out-of-state companies.

And Levi's long commitment to liberal values, embrace of defining social movements and pursuit of a ''cool'' image reflect the city of its founding like no other remaining corporate leader.

San Franciscans are rooting for a financial turnaround.

''They're the home team,'' said Bay Area commercial real estate broker and native San Franciscan Mark Ritchie. ''That rivet in the jeans symbolized the explosive birth of San Francisco.''

A well-heeled friend, noting Ritchie was wearing Levi's 501 jeans, recently revealed she was investing in Levi's publicly traded bonds, the only way the public can invest in the company.

''Do you think Levi's are coming back?'' she asked Ritchie. He replied: ''I'm 47, and what I wear hardly means it's a trend.''

The company missed the urban jean revolution of the 1990s that favored the baggy look over Levi's more slim-tailored fits. Its response last year, the launch of ''Type 1'' jeans with big stitching and a bolder look, fizzled.

Facing what are among the most severe financial woes in its history, Levi's is retailoring its clothing lines, trying to stem a 40 percent slide in sales since 1996. For fiscal 2003, the company posted a $349 million loss, offsetting the combined profit of four previous years.

The company is auctioning off its Dockers unit, which launched the khaki craze that dressed a dot-com generation. After years of coasting on its iconic image, Levi's is pushing cut-rate jeans at discount retailers, for as low as $19. And in the latest symbolic blow, Levi's seven months ago closed its last U.S. factory.

Levi's belated decision to shutter its domestic plants is being cited by Silicon Valley, Calif., business leaders as a lesson in what happens when companies fail to take advantage of cheaper overseas labor. Prominent venture capitalist Mike Moritz recently told Wharton School alumni, ''Everyone at Levi Strauss would have been better off if its managers and family had buckled earlier on.''

In 1990, Levi's made 90 percent of its merchandise in the United States. The company now contracts out more than 90 percent of its production work to foreign garment workers, essentially becoming a marketer and distributor of jeans, but no longer a maker.

The Haas family for years had resisted such moves before finally going ahead with mass closures beginning in the late 1990s. Sales began dropping after the family completed a 1996 leveraged buyout to bring the company private, leaving Levi's with more than $2 billon in debt.

Since then, the company has shut 43 factories in North America and Europe, paring its work force by about 25,000 jobs.

But the moves came years after many competitors, including Gap, transferred most of their manufacturing overseas, as did the maker of Wrangler and Lee jeans, its biggest competitor, in North Carolina.

''The Haas family has always been one of the more generous, pro-community companies in the entire industry — in any industry, for that matter — and the idea of closing factories and laying off thousands of people really was an anathema,'' said San Francisco retail consultant Harry Bernard.

Levi's contractors today are spread around the globe, from Pakistan to Uzbekistan to Jordan, where Dockers are stitched 100 miles from the Iraqi border. A pair of jeans can be made overseas for less than half the cost in the United States.

Marineau understands that people are outraged about the loss of jobs in the United States. But, he said, ''We've replaced that job someplace in Pakistan or India.

''Who's to say whose job that is? I don't think that's my role to make that determination,'' he added.

And Marineau pointed to the consequences: ''We failed to take actions to deal with it, so when the punch came, it was a roundhouse punch.''

Slicing production costs did not stem Levi's other problems, however. An explosion of jeans makers means consumers have more choice, and often at much lower prices, which has driven Levi's to cut prices on it classic brands to below $30. The 30 percent profit margin Levi's once enjoyed on a pair of jeans has been chopped by as much as two-thirds on its lower-priced lines, according to analysts.

And the company has been slow to catch on to the changing habits of shoppers, who are shunning department stores in favor of discount retailers. A year ago, Levi's began selling a low-priced jean under its Signature brand at Wal-Mart and, more recently, at Target. The brand uses cheaper denim and leaves off Levi's trademark red tab.

Signature sales account for nearly 10 percent of the company's worldwide sales. Signature sales in the United States are catching up to Levi's much better-known brands.

In the most recent quarter, ended May 30, Signature revenue was nearly 30 percent of that reported for the classic Levi's brand.

The Signature sales allowed Levi's in July to report its first quarterly profit since last summer.

While price-conscious retailers such as Wal-Mart demand their suppliers make do with slimmer profit margins, Levi's hopes volume sales of Signature jeans will help its bottom line.

''Levi's is surviving because of Wal-Mart,'' said retail consultant Ira Kalish of Los Angeles.

But Wal-Mart alone can't ''return Levi to its glory,'' said retail consultant Bernard.

''The culture of being the No.1 name in apparel across the world and the 501 jean as the icon of the working class has clashed with the reality of changing global dynamics and consumer tastes,'' he said.

''Levi's will survive, but not as the icon and image-maker it once was.''
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 10:17:58 PM EST
Ben & Jerry's doesnt enter this house. But that decision was made Looooong before I heard they were anti gunners. BAD customer service. Sent in a complaint... with one of their stores... wrong order and hair in the icecream. Gave them a chance. They screwed that up so... NO.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 11:05:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By Guns_N_Shizzle:
That shouldnt be news to anyone.
quote]

+1
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 11:08:54 PM EST
I always vote with my dollars.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 11:36:17 PM EST
Boycott Ben & Jerry's? Not me, not in this lifetime.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 11:42:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By Guns_N_Shizzle:
That shouldnt be news to anyone.

Dont buy Levis or Dockers

Anything French

Anything else I should boycott?



Perosnally, I prefer Anchor Blue jeans and khakis.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 11:47:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 11:58:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:

Originally Posted By Sukebe:
Boycott Ben & Jerry's? Not me, not in this lifetime.



Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?



Communist? Communists suppress dissent.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 12:02:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sukebe:
Boycott Ben & Jerry's? Not me, not in this lifetime.


Sympathizer.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 12:11:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By osprey21:

Originally Posted By Sukebe:
Boycott Ben & Jerry's? Not me, not in this lifetime.


Sympathizer.



It's not that. I just have a.... A problem man.

Chunky Monkey is the crack cocaine of ice cream.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 12:30:56 AM EST
Not that it should matter, but didn't the original owners sell the company?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 12:46:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 12:47:06 AM EST by Aimless]
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 1:02:53 AM EST
Some companies are easy to avoid. I've never liked any Ben & Jerry's flavors. Cartier (because they're french), while it makes nice watches, for the money I could get a really good Rolex or two Omegas.

Others are not. I'm addicted to Pepsi, so if they sponsor liberal bullshit, I'm afraid I'll still have to buy them.

Is there a problem with Joseph Banks? Or Nautica? Just asking because, y'know, looking for a new suit.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 1:09:22 AM EST
Dont eat Ben & Jerrys, and I dont wear jeans.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 1:15:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 1:27:01 AM EST by 1911lover]
Levi and Strauss, as I recall, made a public statement in the mid eighties directed soley to the Boy Scouts of America that it should hire/accept homosexuals as troop leaders. Ever since I read that statement in a newspaper, I have boycotted Levis, Dockers etc.

Too bad...I remember my mom buying Levis jeans with the button fly for me, for about $4.00 per pair in the early '60s. You had to buy them about 1-2" too big in the waist and 2-3" too long because they would shrink during that first washing like crazy. However, they wore like iron and lasted for a very long time.

Never have bought Ben and Jerry's...never will.
They were flaming liberal assholes from before day one, thus it was a no brainer regarding the purchase of their product. I could give a shit less about the popularity/quality of a product. I'll spend my money where I choose.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 1:23:31 AM EST
HELL NO! They are a pair of socialist assholes!
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 5:14:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By 1911lover:
Levi and Strauss, as I recall, made a public statement in the mid eighties directed soley to the Boy Scouts of America that it should hire/accept homosexuals as troop leaders. Ever since I read that statement in a newspaper, I have boycotted Levis, Dockers etc.



At on time Levi Strauss was the largess contributor to the Boy Scouts of America. Several thousands of dollars a year. Then they told BSA "Hire/accept gays or we'll pull our donations." BSA refused to buckle. Levi Strauss dropped their donations.

Then in the late '90's they started contributing to an anti-gun outfit, PAX something-or-another.




Too bad...I remember my mom buying Levis jeans with the button fly for me, for about $4.00 per pair in the early '60s. You had to buy them about 1-2" too big in the waist and 2-3" too long because they would shrink during that first washing like crazy. However, they wore like iron and lasted for a very long time.


Yep. I loved 501's. Started buying them in the mid-70's. Wore nothing else when not working. Damn comfortable jeans. I kinda' miss the feel of a well broken in pair of 501's. But I dropped them when they became anti-gun. Should have dropped them when they became anti-BSA. But I my kung fu was weak then.


Never have bought Ben and Jerry's...never will.
They were flaming liberal assholes from before day one, thus it was a no brainer regarding the purchase of their product. I could give a shit less about the popularity/quality of a product. I'll spend my money where I choose.



+1
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 5:18:29 AM EST
I have to buy Levis.
There's just no way around it.
I've been brainwashed into believing that NON-Levis jeans are gay.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 5:19:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By Guns_N_Shizzle:
That shouldnt be news to anyone.

Dont buy Levis or Dockers

Anything French

Anything else I should boycott?



S&W, Colt, Bushmaster, ruger, Olympic Arms, and Springfield Armory
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 5:23:43 AM EST
I wish it was so easy. I dont see any cookies for welfare programs, or social secutiry programs, or highway maintenance or space exploration or etc etc etc. Of course, feeding kids who arent even fucking American is right there on his list.
What an asshat.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 5:23:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
I have to buy Levis.
There's just no way around it.
I've been brainwashed into believing that NON-Levis jeans are gay.



Me too, then I found Carhart jeans. Very nice and durable.

Ben & Jerry were both bought out. You can eat it again.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 5:50:31 AM EST
About 9.5 years ago I worked at Ben and Jerry's for the summer in order to buy myself a Beretta 92 for my 21st birthday. I still want to take a picture of it and send it to them with my thanks.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:52:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
I've been brainwashed into believing that NON-Levis jeans are gay.



Check out Wrangler's website; they have some non-western wear styles now.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:56:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
I wish it was so easy. I dont see any cookies for welfare programs, or social secutiry programs, or highway maintenance or space exploration or etc etc etc.



Well that would require opening the "Social Security 'laahk baahks'".

As usual the liberals oversimplify things based on emotion. I know social security comes out of the general fund and I'm pretty sure most of the other stuff does too. Is there even a way to tell how much is spent on everything within the general fund or is he just guessing?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:58:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By Guns_N_Shizzle:
That shouldnt be news to anyone.

Dont buy Levis or Dockers

Anything French

Anything else I should boycott?



Heinz Ketchup!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:58:51 AM EST
I haven't eaten Ben And Jerry's since they funded that commercial with Susan Sarandon before the War. There are plenty of other ice cream companies that I'll give my money too. NOT flaming liberals.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:09:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 11:13:00 AM EST by tweeter]
I don't eat Kraft cheese or anything else made by Kraft, Guess which major tobacco-industry company owns them?

I already knew about how effed-up ben and jerry's was though. I just buy Tillamook ice cream, cheese and butter instead. Local and few artificial ingredients, besides their Mountainberry ice cream is awesome.



Oh yeah, Carharts will kick Levi's fairy-luvin' ass any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:13:06 AM EST
ben's and jerrys is tasty. Sorry can't do.
point me to something that taste better and I will change my mind.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:31:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 11:37:37 AM EST by NorCal_LEO]
I've been boycotting them for years when they contributed to a cop-killer's defense fund. I don't like ice cream that f@cking much.



ETA linky: POS Cop Killer
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:35:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 11:35:47 AM EST by Bucko]

Originally Posted By tweeter:
I don't eat Kraft cheese or anything else made by Kraft, Guess which major tobacco-industry company owns them?,



Phillip Morris?


Originally Posted By tweeter:
I just buy Tillamook ice cream, cheese and butter instead. Local and few artificial ingredients, besides their Mountainberry ice cream is awesome.


Sweet. I haven't boycotted Kraft, but our local grocery stores (Randall's and Kroger) brands' cheeses taste better to me usually. We do, however, have semi-local creamery: Blue Bell Not quite as rich as Hagen Daz or Ben & Jerry's, but better in many respects.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:43:27 AM EST
I used to eat Ben & Jerry's when I was little and not yet politically aware.

Now I won't touch the stuff. Paying such a high amount of money to fund liberal causes is, for me, not an option.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:51:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:51:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By POWER03:
Bushmaster



I know about the others, but why BM?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:53:40 AM EST
this girl i'm dating is thinking about voting for kerry, should i not eat that?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:56:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By SS109:
Ben & Jerry were both bought out. You can eat it again.


Yep, those guys Ben & Jerry are not connected in anyway with the ice company except in name only. Those guys made a ton of money when they sold their company.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 12:01:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By warlord:

Originally Posted By SS109:
Ben & Jerry were both bought out. You can eat it again.


Yep, those guys Ben & Jerry are not connected in anyway with the ice company except in name only. Those guys made a ton of money when they sold their company.



Phew! Thank God cuz I love the Phish Phood. Too bad there's really nothing I can do about Godiva. I love their icecream.

Also, Anchor Blue jeans are easily as comfortable as Levis...and a bit better lookin. Unfortunately they don't seem to last as long. I get thread seperation on the back pockets after about 8 months of constant wear.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 12:06:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 12:07:37 PM EST by TexasRooter]
Fuck Ben and Jerrys everyone knows that


Blue Bell be the best!!!
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 12:10:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By TexasRooter:
Fuck Ben and Jerrys everyone knows that


Blue Bell be the best!!!



I had a boss once that was born in Louisiana and could apparently get Blue Bell there, got hooked, got transferred to Florida where he couldn't get Blue Bell, bought a small deep freeze, and would make specific trips deep enough in to Louisiana once or twice per year to load up on it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 3:00:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sierra_Hombre:
this girl i'm dating is thinking about voting for kerry, should i not eat that?



You know the answer to that.

Eat regularly. Then stuff it in her pooper and take pics.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 3:41:33 PM EST
I smiled to myself with my .45 on my hip touring their factory in vermont. Fucking Chairman Mao banners all over the place "Don't let you kids play with war toys" (shit, those are the coolest ones) and crap like that. Plus they named Cherry Garcia after that fat fucking scumbag druggy Jerry Garcia. If I owned an ice cream factory I'd name one "Shughart and Gordon All American Sniper Berry Swirl" or something like that. "General Patton Freed the French Vanilla", "Screaming Eagle Raspberry Chip", "Hooah Chocolate Chip", "Jarhead Almond Praline Surprise", "Kill for Peace Crunch"......

I hate those hippy fucks and don't eat their ice cream any more.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:16:16 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:50:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:

Jerry Garcia was an avid gun collector.



Really?
I guess he had one redeeming quality after all.
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