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Link Posted: 11/23/2022 11:41:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: The_Master_Shake] [#1]
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Originally Posted By juan223:



Oh you can rest assured that there are very talented people that want to work for him no matter what the industry.  As far as those leaving go,  if they're not happy they should leave.  I wouldn't want disgruntled folks left with too much access.
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I think Musk was surprised by the amount of people who took him up on his severance package

I was having drinks with a couple buddies the other day whom are Sr. SWE for large Tech Companies in Seattle

While I was laughing it up reading hilarious Elon tweets, both of them essentially said they'd be peacing out of Twitter. Neither of them are woke or progressive by any means, just don't want to work in that environment.
brownells
Link Posted: 11/23/2022 11:42:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By crazymoose:


Most of the valuable ones (engineers) aren't being shitcanned. I'm sure some will walk, but the bulk of the layoffs are "soft skill" types.
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Originally Posted By crazymoose:
Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
If you think there isnt great talent at Twitter, you're wrong. Most of them were there because they liked the benefits and work/life balance. Once thats gone, they dont have a reason to stay.


Most of the valuable ones (engineers) aren't being shitcanned. I'm sure some will walk, but the bulk of the layoffs are "soft skill" types.


If they don't like weekly status updates they won't like DoD timekeeping requirements
Link Posted: 11/23/2022 11:42:48 PM EST
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I can see some of them working on the Secure Cloud project Lockheed & Microsoft are doing, but I doubt the rest of them would be interested in any direct-bill .mil stuff.  Besides, DoD stuff does not lend itself to remote working.

I also wonder what background/skills a Twitter Moderator has.
Link Posted: 11/23/2022 11:53:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FlatRangeOperator:
How many will pass their SF86
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Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:01:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Kharn:

If they want to work in the IC, they'll piss.

Then you have a lame job.
The IC and those with access to chemical/biological agents used for defensive testing (Personnel Reliability Program) both test on a frequent but random basis.

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You know, the majority of contractors supporting the DOD are "lame jobs." The DOD is supported in many ways outside of IC/NBC. Sorry, but nobody I'm aware of doing financial management/consulting/data analytics for the DOD ever had to piss, and they're paid pretty well for a "lame job."

You really think the IC/NBC contractors are specifically looking for twitter people?

The average beltway bandit in the technology/consulting sector isn't going to be touching that stuff, they just need the twitter bodies to be able to bid on all the random contracts from every other DOD/civ agency, without having to lose their margins to subcontractors or get screwed on a proposal by a teaming partner that isn't pulling their weight.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:05:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Apec:

You know, the majority of contractors supporting the DOD are "lame jobs." The DOD is supported in many ways outside of IC/NBC. Sorry, but nobody I'm aware of doing financial management/consulting/data analytics for the DOD ever had to piss, and they're paid pretty well for a "lame job."

You really think the IC/NBC contractors are specifically looking for twitter people?

The average beltway bandit in the technology/consulting sector isn't going to be touching that stuff, they just need the twitter bodies to be able to bid on all the random contracts from every other DOD/civ agency.
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Originally Posted By Apec:
Originally Posted By Kharn:

If they want to work in the IC, they'll piss.

Then you have a lame job.
The IC and those with access to chemical/biological agents used for defensive testing (Personnel Reliability Program) both test on a frequent but random basis.

Kharn

You know, the majority of contractors supporting the DOD are "lame jobs." The DOD is supported in many ways outside of IC/NBC. Sorry, but nobody I'm aware of doing financial management/consulting/data analytics for the DOD ever had to piss, and they're paid pretty well for a "lame job."

You really think the IC/NBC contractors are specifically looking for twitter people?

The average beltway bandit in the technology/consulting sector isn't going to be touching that stuff, they just need the twitter bodies to be able to bid on all the random contracts from every other DOD/civ agency.

If they want people who try to work through social media, shape public perception, psychological operations, gather intelligence, etc? Yes, that's IC all the way.

Kharn
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:08:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FlatRangeOperator:


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I'd be surprised if Twitters "Most Valuable" engineers would be willing to take a 70% pay cut to work for the gov.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:20:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By origbadbob:
A few years back Google had a employee revolt over Google getting a DOD contract (GPS for drones?).  I don't think too many Twitter people will want to work for DOD,
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Although strangely they don’t mind working for the Chinese government.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:25:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FlatRangeOperator:
Originally Posted By crazymoose:
Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
If you think there isnt great talent at Twitter, you're wrong. Most of them were there because they liked the benefits and work/life balance. Once thats gone, they dont have a reason to stay.


Most of the valuable ones (engineers) aren't being shitcanned. I'm sure some will walk, but the bulk of the layoffs are "soft skill" types.


If they don't like weekly status updates they won't like DoD timekeeping requirements

Exactly.  AND they will likely still have to do weekly status reports
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:29:11 AM EST
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Twitter has never really had a rep for being a place where hard workers wind up.

Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:37:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By eesmith:

Twitter has never really had a rep for being a place where hard workers wind up.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214740/B5519DA4-9F81-4BC8-8DE6-4611FA376CAD-2611680.jpg
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When I was young in my career I would have found that snippet relatable.

Just comes off as naive TBH.

FANG compensation but they don't work me past 6PM?! Hard Pass
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:49:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Rifle_length:
I work with individuals who recently went through the clearance process. They did not have a piss test and just signed an affidavit of non drug use.
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You do know that investigators go and talk to people, and not just the ones you list, right?  You sure none of them will spill the beans that you're high every night and all weekend? You think they don't check to see if you have medical marijuana card?  

Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:23:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By juan223:



it's an online text message board for Christ's sake.  Musk has been able to wrangle the right talent to put lots of stuff in space and some of it even lands itself in a way I never expected to see in my lifetime.  I'm confident he'll be able to keep and attract the right talent to keep an online text messaging board running...  
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A couple of fifteen year old boys, a case of Monster, and some of Joe Rogan's dope should do it.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:26:22 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Apec:
If you think shitbirds/people with casual drug use history aren't capable of getting or maintaining clearances, you haven't served long enough as military or DOD civilian personnel. I know people who smoked weed in school and got jobs at places like Booz Allen Hamilton, or were even on track to commissioning through ROTC.

Also you don't get piss tested working for beltway bandits, at least not for desk type work. Maybe handling vehicles or hazmat, sure, but I've never seen that in my career at companies supporting the DOD.
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I got piss tested a few months ago for a DOD contract job. My results were back almost before I was home. I suspect it was just a formality.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:31:32 AM EST
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Hired by?

Or returning to?


Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:33:38 AM EST
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Hey idiots!!! You’re hiring anti American communists!!!
FOAD!! Our defense industry is one of our worst enemies……
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:33:51 AM EST
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Musk isn’t dumping the smart people.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:35:16 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:


Yes but they would have to lie on their SF86.
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You think someone would do that? Just LIE on an SF86??
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:36:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:

Uh .... Uncle Sam doesnt care when contractors do it.
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Wrong
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:37:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FlatRangeOperator:


If they don't like weekly status updates they won't like DoD timekeeping requirements
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1/10 of an hour increments
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 7:27:48 AM EST
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Top men for sure!
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 7:31:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:I have well over 30 years military/DOE/DoD contractor work under my belt. I have seen many individuals lose their job after popping hot on a piss test. We have regular random piss tests. Just a few months ago security pulled badges and escorted individuals off the installation for hot tests.
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I'll drink to that  
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 7:38:51 AM EST
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I’m sure China is excited to have new recruits working in the DOD positions now.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 7:43:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FlatRangeOperator:
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Not many.

My company doubled their referal bonus...it's $20k just for me to refer someone who is qualified with a TS/SCI clearance, and it still takes about six months to get campus access.

ROCK6
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 7:54:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ROCK6:
My company doubled their referal bonus...it's $20k just for me to refer someone who is qualified with a TS/SCI clearance, and it still takes about six months to get campus access.
ROCK6
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Link Posted: 11/24/2022 7:56:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
If you think there isnt great talent at Twitter, you're wrong. Most of them were there because they liked the benefits and work/life balance. Once thats gone, they dont have a reason to stay.
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Most people would probably like making six figures as a remote working beanbag chair fluffer, but...actually IDK why I'm even responding to one of your posts.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:02:47 AM EST
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Yeah, no shit. Top tier referral is normally 10k, it was doubled for the last three months. It's a small community of IC in our area unlike the NOVA area.

I mentor a retiring NCO who could easily get a job but doesn't know if he wants to. I told him to use my name as a referral and I would share some ammo with him

ROCK6
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:06:11 AM EST
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so now these liberal twats will work for the military?  LOL
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:06:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By The_Master_Shake:


I'd be surprised if Twitters "Most Valuable" engineers would be willing to take a 70% pay cut to work for the gov.
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Originally Posted By The_Master_Shake:
Originally Posted By FlatRangeOperator:


If they don't like weekly status updates they won't like DoD timekeeping requirements


I'd be surprised if Twitters "Most Valuable" engineers would be willing to take a 70% pay cut to work for the gov.

Probably not. Hence why they will be working for contractors and making the same amount, if not more
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:09:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By agriebel:
so now these liberal twats will work for the military?  LOL
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The IC peeps don't get to work from home, and I've seen more escorted out from timecard fraud than drug tests...

ROCK6
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:09:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:


Yes but they would have to lie on their SF86.
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Lol, I’d say easily over half the military has lied on paperwork to enlist or get their clearance. Shit doesn’t mean anything.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:10:30 AM EST
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Wrong
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Originally Posted By BoneB1B:
Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:

Uh .... Uncle Sam doesnt care when contractors do it.


Wrong

No Im right because I did it for four years. As long as Uncle Sam gets the hours paid for when they need them, they dont give a shit
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:18:17 AM EST
[#33]
The cancer will spread and increase the rate of metastasis already developed in DIE(Diversity, Inclusion, Equity) departments.

Bell helicopter needs to build Vietnam levels of inventory  to drop all the commies infecting the nation.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:19:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:


Musk offered those people the chance to do something totally unique and amazing. He cant offer that for Twitter. So all the good people are on their way out the door, if they didnt leave already.
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
Originally Posted By juan223:
Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
If you think there isnt great talent at Twitter, you're wrong. Most of them were there because they liked the benefits and work/life balance. Once thats gone, they dont have a reason to stay.



it's an online text message board for Christ's sake.  Musk has been able to wrangle the right talent to put lots of stuff in space and some of it even lands itself in a way I never expected to see in my lifetime.  I'm confident he'll be able to keep and attract the right talent to keep an online text messaging board running...  


Musk offered those people the chance to do something totally unique and amazing. He cant offer that for Twitter. So all the good people are on their way out the door, if they didnt leave already.



Again, it's just a message board that restricts most people to 140 character posts.
They weren't involved with writing code that monitors and predicts the flight physics of an airplane, or how metal flows in a set of dies, or how a chemical reaction takes place in an autoclave.
They were just censors banning people whose posts they didn't like.  If they even did that much.
But maybe that's all the .GOV really wants
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:20:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BoneB1B:


1/10 of an hour increments
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Originally Posted By BoneB1B:
Originally Posted By FlatRangeOperator:


If they don't like weekly status updates they won't like DoD timekeeping requirements


1/10 of an hour increments

LMAO

DoD is not requiring 1/10 of an hour time keeping by contractors. Its hilarious how GD has no idea how government contracting works.

Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:21:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:

No Im right because I did it for four years. As long as Uncle Sam gets the hours paid for when they need them, they dont give a shit
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We do have a company policy for moonlighting, and it's mostly to ensure NDAs are enforced....but uncle sam doesn't care.

ROCK6
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:28:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By JQ66:



Again, it's just a message board that restricts most people to 140 character posts.
They weren't involved with writing code that monitors and predicts the flight physics of an airplane, or how metal flows in a set of dies, or how a chemical reaction takes place in an autoclave.
They were just censors banning people whose posts they didn't like.  If they even did that much.
But maybe that's all the .GOV really wants
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Originally Posted By JQ66:
Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
Originally Posted By juan223:
Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
If you think there isnt great talent at Twitter, you're wrong. Most of them were there because they liked the benefits and work/life balance. Once thats gone, they dont have a reason to stay.



it's an online text message board for Christ's sake.  Musk has been able to wrangle the right talent to put lots of stuff in space and some of it even lands itself in a way I never expected to see in my lifetime.  I'm confident he'll be able to keep and attract the right talent to keep an online text messaging board running...  


Musk offered those people the chance to do something totally unique and amazing. He cant offer that for Twitter. So all the good people are on their way out the door, if they didnt leave already.



Again, it's just a message board that restricts most people to 140 character posts.
They weren't involved with writing code that monitors and predicts the flight physics of an airplane, or how metal flows in a set of dies, or how a chemical reaction takes place in an autoclave.
They were just censors banning people whose posts they didn't like.  If they even did that much.
But maybe that's all the .GOV really wants


lTz JusT A M3sSage BoARd

With 200+ million active users, dealing with dozens of languages and governments, with living streaming. These people are using coding and algorithms every day.

If you really think ~4,000 people were able to read and censor 500 million tweets a day, then you either have no idea what you're talking about, or you are vastly underestimating their work ethic
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:30:07 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ROCK6:

We do have a company policy for moonlighting, and it's mostly to ensure NDAs are enforced....but uncle sam doesn't care.

ROCK6
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Originally Posted By ROCK6:
Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:

No Im right because I did it for four years. As long as Uncle Sam gets the hours paid for when they need them, they dont give a shit

We do have a company policy for moonlighting, and it's mostly to ensure NDAs are enforced....but uncle sam doesn't care.

ROCK6

Its not moonlighting when you're working for the company.

If you dont have 100% (or better) utilization, your head is first on the chopping block when they dont win contracts.

This is the number 1 reason I took less money for a more stable job
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:33:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
If you think there isnt great talent at Twitter, you're wrong. Most of them were there because they liked the benefits and work/life balance. Once thats gone, they dont have a reason to stay.
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Bye bye.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:37:01 AM EST
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I honestly thought this would be. Babylon Bee thread.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:40:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
If you think there isnt great talent at Twitter, you're wrong. Most of them were there because they liked the benefits and work/life balance. Once thats gone, they dont have a reason to stay.
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You never disappoint.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:42:14 AM EST
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It....is a guy acting like he is a female.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 8:42:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:

Its not moonlighting when you're working for the company.

If you dont have 100% (or better) utilization, your head is first on the chopping block when they dont win contracts.

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We were the prime when we took over from Booz Allen, and we had a few contractors meeting the gov FTE requirements, and then negotiating and contracting on other contracts for 20-30 hours a week. Both were .gov contracts, just with different agencies. They were mostly doing 12 hour weekend shifts...the prime took priority.

ROCK6
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:02:33 AM EST
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Uh .... Uncle Sam doesnt care when contractors do it.
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
Originally Posted By Kharn:
They would have to piss in a cup.
They'd never want the job.

And Uncle Sam certainly does give a damn about you double-dipping on him vs other employers on the same 40-hour work week.

Kharn

Uh .... Uncle Sam doesnt care when contractors do it.


lol tell me you don't work in DoD with saying it
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:07:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ManMan:


lol tell me you don't work in DoD with saying it
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Originally Posted By ManMan:
Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
Originally Posted By Kharn:
They would have to piss in a cup.
They'd never want the job.

And Uncle Sam certainly does give a damn about you double-dipping on him vs other employers on the same 40-hour work week.

Kharn

Uh .... Uncle Sam doesnt care when contractors do it.


lol tell me you don't work in DoD with saying it

You're right. I dont. I used to. Both as a contractor and a fed. Thats how I know your company can absolutely double dip your services.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:09:13 AM EST
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Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:11:14 AM EST
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This ought to go well.

Likely very liberal workers going to defense contractors. No culture shock of mentality and expectations. Ought to be a smooth transition. Like working a lingerie shop selling nighties to selling CAT heavy machinery. It’s all the same; just sales.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:15:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:


The dope smokers won't pass the piss test or the SF86 paperwork.
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:
Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
Originally Posted By FlatRangeOperator:
How many will pass their SF86

Most will, easily.


The dope smokers won't pass the piss test or the SF86 paperwork.


No piss test. I had to piss test in the commercial world regularly but not since becoming a DOD CTR. Never been an issue for me so don't really care, I just thought it was interesting that I didn't have to for the DOD but did for the private sector and I'm doing similar stuff.
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Twitter was bloated with nonsense jobs and Elon chopped the most obvious fat.  Now the folks he has left will either adapt to the new environment or they'll ring the bell.
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No piss test. I had to piss test in the commercial world regularly but not since becoming a DOD CTR. Never been an issue for me so don't really care, I just thought it was interesting that I didn't have to for the DOD but did for the private sector and I'm doing similar stuff.
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Do you have an active TS?
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