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Posted: 4/27/2015 1:18:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/1/2015 6:44:48 PM EDT by EVR]
Guys, help me out. Give me the real deal on performance of SCAR, M4A1 and HK416.

I've read "The Army’s M-4 Carbine: Background and Issues for Congress", Andrew Feickert, Specialist in Military Ground Forces, June 24, 2009". But I really don't know how M4a1 stacks up with SCAR and HK416 currently.

What's going on?

Topic beginning 05/01/15 at 3:44 PST is DINOSAURS AND BARBEQUE DINING.


Link Posted: 4/27/2015 8:38:21 PM EDT
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 8:40:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EVR:
Guys, help me out. Give me the real deal on performance of SCAR, M4A1 and HK416.

I've read "The Army’s M-4 Carbine: Background and Issues for Congress", Andrew Feickert, Specialist in Military Ground Forces, June 24, 2009". But I really don't know how M4a1 stacks up with SCAR and HK416 currently.

What's going on?


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According to the leaked results of the ICC by the Washington Times every gun broke faster than the M4A1, and only one rifle had better rounds between stoppages but again it broke much faster.
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According to the leaked results of the ICC by the Washington Times every gun broke faster than the M4A1, and only one rifle had better rounds between stoppages but again it broke much faster.
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Originally Posted By joglee:
Originally Posted By EVR:
Guys, help me out. Give me the real deal on performance of SCAR, M4A1 and HK416.

I've read "The Army’s M-4 Carbine: Background and Issues for Congress", Andrew Feickert, Specialist in Military Ground Forces, June 24, 2009". But I really don't know how M4a1 stacks up with SCAR and HK416 currently.

What's going on?




According to the leaked results of the ICC by the Washington Times every gun broke faster than the M4A1, and only one rifle had better rounds between stoppages but again it broke much faster.



Who wants to make a video of 900 rds full auto through a scar. I would watch that.

ETA: That video of the m4 on full auto has 0 malfunctions until the barrel explodes around 850 rds or so.
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Who wants to make a video of 900 rds full auto through a scar. I would watch that.

ETA: That video of the m4 on full auto has 0 malfunctions until the barrel explodes around 850 rds or so.
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Originally Posted By JohnTlag:
Originally Posted By joglee:
Originally Posted By EVR:
Guys, help me out. Give me the real deal on performance of SCAR, M4A1 and HK416.

I've read "The Army’s M-4 Carbine: Background and Issues for Congress", Andrew Feickert, Specialist in Military Ground Forces, June 24, 2009". But I really don't know how M4a1 stacks up with SCAR and HK416 currently.

What's going on?




According to the leaked results of the ICC by the Washington Times every gun broke faster than the M4A1, and only one rifle had better rounds between stoppages but again it broke much faster.



Who wants to make a video of 900 rds full auto through a scar. I would watch that.

ETA: That video of the m4 on full auto has 0 malfunctions until the barrel explodes around 850 rds or so.



Actually, those fire-to-destruction tests are interesting and I hadn't connected them to this topic at all, but when you run a gun to destruction due to a barrel-only {which by diamter would "go" at roughly the same time regardless of the gun itself, you are also stressing a lot of internals also and well those M4's did perform.
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 9:31:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.
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Link Posted: 4/27/2015 9:37:23 PM EDT
Define performance.

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Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.



Your careful analysis of how well the scar works under pressure, temperatures, and other possible malfunctions have me possibly second guessing that it may hold up to the M4.

Thanks for your insightful and informative post.
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 10:13:30 PM EDT
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The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.
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troll.


Link Posted: 4/28/2015 1:26:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JohnTlag:



Who wants to make a video of 900 rds full auto through a scar. I would watch that.

ETA: That video of the m4 on full auto has 0 malfunctions until the barrel explodes around 850 rds or so.
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Originally Posted By JohnTlag:
Originally Posted By joglee:
Originally Posted By EVR:
Guys, help me out. Give me the real deal on performance of SCAR, M4A1 and HK416.

I've read "The Army’s M-4 Carbine: Background and Issues for Congress", Andrew Feickert, Specialist in Military Ground Forces, June 24, 2009". But I really don't know how M4a1 stacks up with SCAR and HK416 currently.

What's going on?




According to the leaked results of the ICC by the Washington Times every gun broke faster than the M4A1, and only one rifle had better rounds between stoppages but again it broke much faster.



Who wants to make a video of 900 rds full auto through a scar. I would watch that.

ETA: That video of the m4 on full auto has 0 malfunctions until the barrel explodes around 850 rds or so.


Actually, the M4A1 (heavy SOCOM) barrel doesn't "explode", the gas tube melts...the weapon continues to fire on semi.

The M4 barrel melts at 500-something.
Link Posted: 4/28/2015 9:52:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jinxsters:


Your careful analysis of how well the scar works under pressure, temperatures, and other possible malfunctions have me possibly second guessing that it may hold up to the M4.

Thanks for your insightful and informative post.
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Originally Posted By Jinxsters:
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.



Your careful analysis of how well the scar works under pressure, temperatures, and other possible malfunctions have me possibly second guessing that it may hold up to the M4.

Thanks for your insightful and informative post.

He has years of experience. Oh, wait...
Link Posted: 4/28/2015 10:08:55 PM EDT
The SCAR-L has been dropped by most of the units in SOCOM that were using it.

The HK416 is too heavy in my experience, for what it is, and what it does.

The M4A1 SOPMOD Block II isn't measurably less reliable in SOCOM-internal testing for MTBF, not rigged tests spurned by lobbyists for FN and HK with offices near D.C.
Link Posted: 4/28/2015 10:14:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


Actually, the M4A1 (heavy SOCOM) barrel doesn't "explode", the gas tube melts...the weapon continues to fire on semi.

The M4 barrel melts at 500-something.
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By JohnTlag:
Originally Posted By joglee:
Originally Posted By EVR:
Guys, help me out. Give me the real deal on performance of SCAR, M4A1 and HK416.

I've read "The Army’s M-4 Carbine: Background and Issues for Congress", Andrew Feickert, Specialist in Military Ground Forces, June 24, 2009". But I really don't know how M4a1 stacks up with SCAR and HK416 currently.

What's going on?




According to the leaked results of the ICC by the Washington Times every gun broke faster than the M4A1, and only one rifle had better rounds between stoppages but again it broke much faster.



Who wants to make a video of 900 rds full auto through a scar. I would watch that.

ETA: That video of the m4 on full auto has 0 malfunctions until the barrel explodes around 850 rds or so.


Actually, the M4A1 (heavy SOCOM) barrel doesn't "explode", the gas tube melts...the weapon continues to fire on semi.

The M4 barrel melts at 500-something.


If the tube melts how does it cycle another round
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Originally Posted By canu94:


If the tube melts how does it cycle another round
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Originally Posted By canu94:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By JohnTlag:
Originally Posted By joglee:
Originally Posted By EVR:
Guys, help me out. Give me the real deal on performance of SCAR, M4A1 and HK416.

I've read "The Army’s M-4 Carbine: Background and Issues for Congress", Andrew Feickert, Specialist in Military Ground Forces, June 24, 2009". But I really don't know how M4a1 stacks up with SCAR and HK416 currently.

What's going on?




According to the leaked results of the ICC by the Washington Times every gun broke faster than the M4A1, and only one rifle had better rounds between stoppages but again it broke much faster.



Who wants to make a video of 900 rds full auto through a scar. I would watch that.

ETA: That video of the m4 on full auto has 0 malfunctions until the barrel explodes around 850 rds or so.


Actually, the M4A1 (heavy SOCOM) barrel doesn't "explode", the gas tube melts...the weapon continues to fire on semi.

The M4 barrel melts at 500-something.


If the tube melts how does it cycle another round

Pull trigger. Pull charging handle. Repeat as necessary.
Link Posted: 4/28/2015 11:01:38 PM EDT
That's not semi
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Originally Posted By canu94:
That's not semi
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Nope, at that point, it might as well be British.


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Originally Posted By canu94:
That's not semi
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Thanks for explaining it to us. You're a wealth of knowledge!










Just kidding.
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Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.


Link Posted: 4/28/2015 11:17:40 PM EDT
i have to totally disagree

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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.
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Link Posted: 4/28/2015 11:24:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.
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You can't be serious.
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Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:

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He said it continues to fire on semi.
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Originally Posted By 72826:

He said it continues to fire on semi.
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Originally Posted By 72826:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:

Pull trigger. Pull charging handle. Repeat as necessary.

He said it continues to fire on semi.

You also know exactly what was meant by that statement.
Link Posted: 4/28/2015 11:46:15 PM EDT
Their status?

All of them?
Link Posted: 4/28/2015 11:49:13 PM EDT
Basically, M855A1 makes everything suck.
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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
The SCAR-L has been dropped by most of the units in SOCOM that were using it.

The HK416 is too heavy in my experience, for what it is, and what it does.

The M4A1 SOPMOD Block II isn't measurably less reliable in SOCOM-internal testing for MTBF, not rigged tests spurned by lobbyists for FN and HK with offices near D.C.
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Ya'll may want to listen to this guy.
Link Posted: 4/28/2015 11:53:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.


He right tho. Lots of breakages. SEAL and Ranger ditched them a couple years back.

HK416 is still in limited use.

M4A1 will be phase out in favor of an updated version.
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Originally Posted By Copperjacket:
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^^^ If this is the ammo they want to go with, they need to go back to the drawing board because its not compatible with the weapons they currently have for the life/durability they want. (Based on what I have read)
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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
The SCAR-L has been dropped by most of the units in SOCOM that were using it.

The HK416 is too heavy in my experience, for what it is, and what it does.

The M4A1 SOPMOD Block II isn't measurably less reliable in SOCOM-internal testing for MTBF, not rigged tests spurned by lobbyists for FN and HK with offices near D.C.
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I thought it was just replaced by the Mk20.
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.
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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
The SCAR-L has been dropped by most of the units in SOCOM that were using it.

The HK416 is too heavy in my experience, for what it is, and what it does.

The M4A1 SOPMOD Block II isn't measurably less reliable in SOCOM-internal testing for MTBF, not rigged tests spurned by lobbyists for FN and HK with offices near D.C.
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LRRP I know your BTDT creds are legit; how are cool guys feeling these days about the SCAR heavy?
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


Actually, the M4A1 (heavy SOCOM) barrel doesn't "explode", the gas tube melts...the weapon continues to fire on semi.

The M4 barrel melts at 500-something.
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By JohnTlag:
Originally Posted By joglee:
Originally Posted By EVR:
Guys, help me out. Give me the real deal on performance of SCAR, M4A1 and HK416.

I've read "The Army’s M-4 Carbine: Background and Issues for Congress", Andrew Feickert, Specialist in Military Ground Forces, June 24, 2009". But I really don't know how M4a1 stacks up with SCAR and HK416 currently.

What's going on?




According to the leaked results of the ICC by the Washington Times every gun broke faster than the M4A1, and only one rifle had better rounds between stoppages but again it broke much faster.



Who wants to make a video of 900 rds full auto through a scar. I would watch that.

ETA: That video of the m4 on full auto has 0 malfunctions until the barrel explodes around 850 rds or so.


Actually, the M4A1 (heavy SOCOM) barrel doesn't "explode", the gas tube melts...the weapon continues to fire on semi.

The M4 barrel melts at 500-something.

Gas tube melting is iffy. Sometime it does sometime it doesn't.

In the case of IV8888 the gas tube did not melt. The muzzle break shot off. The barrel exploded. He was lucky to survive his torture test. Keep in mind the 50 drum magazine he used does not hold the bolt open on the last round. It's operator error.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw
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Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:

Pull trigger. Pull charging handle. Repeat as necessary.
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Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By canu94:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By JohnTlag:



Who wants to make a video of 900 rds full auto through a scar. I would watch that.

ETA: That video of the m4 on full auto has 0 malfunctions until the barrel explodes around 850 rds or so.


Actually, the M4A1 (heavy SOCOM) barrel doesn't "explode", the gas tube melts...the weapon continues to fire on semi.

The M4 barrel melts at 500-something.


If the tube melts how does it cycle another round

Pull trigger. Pull charging handle. Repeat as necessary.

Yep the M4 will become a straight pull bolt action carbine.
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Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:

He has years of experience. Oh, wait...
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Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By Jinxsters:
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.



Your careful analysis of how well the scar works under pressure, temperatures, and other possible malfunctions have me possibly second guessing that it may hold up to the M4.

Thanks for your insightful and informative post.

He has years of experience. Oh, wait...

Plenty of dudes with tank icons on this forum will back my statement, and have outlined the particulars. It just so happens I do not have a tank.
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:

Plenty of dudes with tank icons on this forum will back my statement, and have outlined the particulars. It just so happens I do not have a tank.
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By Jinxsters:
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.



Your careful analysis of how well the scar works under pressure, temperatures, and other possible malfunctions have me possibly second guessing that it may hold up to the M4.

Thanks for your insightful and informative post.

He has years of experience. Oh, wait...

Plenty of dudes with tank icons on this forum will back my statement, and have outlined the particulars. It just so happens I do not have a tank.
Only reason I didn't recognize you was because you changed your avatar....
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:

Plenty of dudes with tank icons on this forum will back my statement, and have outlined the particulars. It just so happens I do not have a tank.
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By Jinxsters:
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.



Your careful analysis of how well the scar works under pressure, temperatures, and other possible malfunctions have me possibly second guessing that it may hold up to the M4.

Thanks for your insightful and informative post.

He has years of experience. Oh, wait...

Plenty of dudes with tank icons on this forum will back my statement, and have outlined the particulars. It just so happens I do not have a tank.


Plenty of dudes with tanks will tell you the SR-25 is a piece of shit, the M4 is a piece of shit, etc. If the SCAR was truly a piece of shit, it wouldn't see use at all. Kel-tec products, that's an example of pieces of shit
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But you said we should use the HK416 because it fixes all the issues of the M4 and M855A1.
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Suppressed KAC Sr-15 CQB FTW!

To be fair, I have not shot a suppressed SCAR SBR. Not cool enough.
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You can't be serious.
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Originally Posted By The_Evil_One:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.


You can't be serious.


Well it sure felt like one.

That folding stock was some chintzy shit.
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Originally Posted By joglee:


But you said we should use the HK416 because it fixes all the issues of the M4 and M855A1.
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Originally Posted By joglee:
Originally Posted By Copperjacket:
Basically, M855A1 makes everything suck.


But you said we should use the HK416 because it fixes all the issues of the M4 and M855A1.


Most people don't understand that the HK416 wasn't developed as a solution to the M4. It was developed as a niche solution to SBR DI M4s.

If the Army really wanted to upgrade the M4s over time, the best thing they could do IMO would be to slowly switch over to KAC SR-16s.
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Viva la Mk12!
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This.

Any testing using this round is next to useless. The ammo damages the gun in ways that M855 and M193 never could have dreamed of.

It is why the ICC tests were a joke. The tests were sabotaged by switching M855A1 for M855 and then saying "see, they are not more reliable than the old M-4 series of weapons"....no shit...substitute ammo that is known to deadline a gun in 2K rounds and then blame the guns.

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My un educated opinion says they need to switch out the caliber.
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Gospel truth.
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I heard the Special Forces use the SCAR, and the even Specialer Forces use the 416D.

They wouldn't use them if they weren't the best.

So that argument is settled.
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I asked this guy and he said....






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Originally Posted By FedDC:



This.

Any testing using this round is next to useless. The ammo damages the gun in ways that M855 and M193 never could have dreamed of.

It is why the ICC tests were a joke. The tests were sabotaged by switching M855A1 for M855 and then saying "see, they are not more reliable than the old M-4 series of weapons"....no shit...substitute ammo that is known to deadline a gun in 2K rounds and then blame the guns.

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Originally Posted By Copperjacket:
Basically, M855A1 makes everything suck.



This.

Any testing using this round is next to useless. The ammo damages the gun in ways that M855 and M193 never could have dreamed of.

It is why the ICC tests were a joke. The tests were sabotaged by switching M855A1 for M855 and then saying "see, they are not more reliable than the old M-4 series of weapons"....no shit...substitute ammo that is known to deadline a gun in 2K rounds and then blame the guns.



So wait it deadlines the M4A1 in 2,000 rounds? May I have some of what your smiling please.

You say some strange things. I mean earlier you said the HK416 would fix all the problems of the M4A1 and now M855A1 deadlines every gun in 2,000 rounds?
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HK416 (10.3/14 5") is still the standard rifle with the JSOC Units.

SCAR 17 (and other 308 varients) is in use with certain SOCOM units.

The M4/CQBR is still standard issue to SOCOM units.
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Gospel truth.
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Originally Posted By Copperjacket:
Basically, M855A1 makes everything suck.

Gospel truth.
Whatever happened to MK318?
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
The SCAR is a piece of shit. That's all you need to know.



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Whatever happened to MK318?
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Originally Posted By Copperjacket:
Basically, M855A1 makes everything suck.

Gospel truth.
Whatever happened to MK318?


I'm pretty sure Mk318 was a USMC project. M855A1 was developed by the Army IIRC.
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Originally Posted By joglee:


So wait it deadlines the M4A1 in 2,000 rounds? May I have some of what your smiling please.

You say some strange things. I mean earlier you said the HK416 would fix all the problems of the M4A1 and now M855A1 deadlines every gun in 2,000 rounds?
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Originally Posted By joglee:
Originally Posted By FedDC:
Originally Posted By Copperjacket:
Basically, M855A1 makes everything suck.



This.

Any testing using this round is next to useless. The ammo damages the gun in ways that M855 and M193 never could have dreamed of.

It is why the ICC tests were a joke. The tests were sabotaged by switching M855A1 for M855 and then saying "see, they are not more reliable than the old M-4 series of weapons"....no shit...substitute ammo that is known to deadline a gun in 2K rounds and then blame the guns.



So wait it deadlines the M4A1 in 2,000 rounds? May I have some of what your smiling please.

You say some strange things. I mean earlier you said the HK416 would fix all the problems of the M4A1 and now M855A1 deadlines every gun in 2,000 rounds?


Google is your friend...or maybe not. M855A1 was reported to cause throat erosion sufficient to fail gauging in aproximately 2K rounds on some weapons.

It was one of the issues with the design and manufacture of the round.

416s and others including ARs from Colt Canada have hammer forged barrels, which your infinite wisdom should connect with longer barrel life and increased durability.

Current spec for a US made M-4 calls for a button rifled barrel which is generally less durable.


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