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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:22:56 PM EDT
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If the .gov really wanted to poke the sleeping bear and make this technology spread like wildfire... this is the way to do it. +1 Still think we are free? |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:23:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: on 2nd thought... Was that part of the liberator? Because that part would be fairly simple to recreate in solidworks Yeah....the liberator are all .stl files and all I've got for those is a reader. I've got 5 CAD programs and none of them will import an STL file...  The mega pack has solidworks files though. how to import stl into sketch-up. Which you cna then export as another file. mega pack and liberator both on my seedbox! |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:23:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:24:02 PM EDT
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http://www.underthewood.net/images2/defcad.jpg Only shows this when trying to download the liberator pistol. I'll wager they (DoD) want it removed from the site. All the other downloads are still available, just keep refreshing. That's a misprint. The Directorate of Defense Trade Controls is in the Department of State, not the Department of Defense - that's he agency that administers the International Trade in Arms Regulations (ITARS). Dod has noting to do with it. Per ITARS, these files would be restricted from export. If some one in China can download them, it's a violation of ITRS (Federal crime - 10 years in prison or a multi-million dollar fine for each occurrence. ITARS violations is what Phil Zimmerman was charged with when he put PGP up on the internet (illegal export of munitions or war material). So, if someone from China can take a gun from Ca to China, whoever owns such a gun violates the statute? |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:24:40 PM EDT
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on 2nd thought... Was that part of the liberator? Because that part would be fairly simple to recreate in solidworks Yeah....the liberator are all .stl files and all I've got for those is a reader. I've got 5 CAD programs and none of them will import an STL file...
The mega pack has solidworks files though. Solidworks Pro will import and they save it to something else. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:27:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: This whole thing seems like a publicity stunt.  Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't the feds just shut down the site all together and sort it out later for something like this? Until further confirmation I'm calling BS  I'm thinking the same thing. It would just be blocked one day. If you really wanted this information out there, and quickly, there's no better way than to warn the whole Internet that it's about to disappear. Instant rush to download. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:28:30 PM EDT
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Hurry up and get your preban version of solidworks I'd almost guarantee that solidworks, Rhino, Mastercam, etc... are all ITAR controlled software. I would be stunned if they are. I know for a fact some of the DCC packages such as Maya, 3DS Max, and Lightwave are not and they have very similar capabilities in knowledgeable hands. I'm pretty sure I saw an ITAR warning on the commercial website for one of those I listed. Solidworks, maybe. Autodesk will sell their shit to anyone. And ITAR doesn't mean anything when you can pirate that stuff all day long off torrents. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:30:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: A little birdy just confirmed to me that the Def Dist zip file downloaded about five minutes ago has the correct MD5 hash.Quoted: Quoted: If I wanted a list of all the people like us, and to say, insert a key tracker into it, I'd ban something we liked, and then I'd put out a mirror with a modified "bootleg" version of it. That's what I'd do.  Wow, dude. That, like TOTALLY blew my mind. Literally. Or you could just make note of active posters on sites like this one. Luckily some industrious early downloaders have published the checksums so you can tell if the file has been tampered with.  The Defense Distributed file pack. Hashes: MD5: F4784E3C4C6B6D851C3F2CFD8579B2A6 SHA-1: 3B733B62D8D3B08DE9BFFB94CDD308C18BF09BB0 SHA-256: 8B3247FE5145E87ABA5B91A6DFCA26193E5472C60AF279223CE5A92611A24D31 The Liberator. Hashes: MD5: 26DE1E830AC58C078650B69C4D34602E SHA-1: AA33BC73264B80B87D21FF8D56DE02EAECDA3574 SHA-256: 763927D34CE89B550A118E3522181FC434632D6D6188CB82E1612096A613C4AA |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:31:30 PM EDT
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Well, hey, look at that... my submission made it onto Slashdot! :D
http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/09/1949218/dod-descends-on-defcad |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:33:37 PM EDT
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Why do I get a malicious warning on the PriateBay link?
Win7 screwing with me? All this black magic you kids use, sheesh. In my day, we would stamp this stuff out with the Playdough Fun Factory |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:35:28 PM EDT
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Why do I get a malicious warning on the PriateBay link? Win7 screwing with me? All this black magic you kids use, sheesh. In my day, we would stamp this stuff out with the Playdough Fun Factory TPB is not a squeaky clean place. If you're going to run in the shadows, learn to keep your hardware locked down, chummer. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:37:18 PM EDT
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There's the first shot across the bow that some of all y'all have been waiting on. I see this as they've taken the bait. And now the Internet civil disobedience machine springs to life. The game is afoot, gentlemen. 
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:38:14 PM EDT
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http://www.underthewood.net/images2/defcad.jpg Only shows this when trying to download the liberator pistol. I'll wager they (DoD) want it removed from the site. All the other downloads are still available, just keep refreshing. I like how the eagle is pointing toward peace there. Instead, it should be giving the user the middle finger. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:38:42 PM EDT
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There's the first shot across the bow that some of all y'all have been waiting on. I see this as they've taken the bait. And now the Internet civil disobedience machine springs to life. The game is afoot, gentlemen. The chair is moving towards the wall
Tom is growing a mustache
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:39:59 PM EDT
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Is there an official 3d printer thread somewhere? I need to brush up on the technology
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:40:06 PM EDT
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I think the Liberator is the only one taken down. As for ITAR, I did a research paper in college near the end of the Cold War on export controls to the Soviets. It was right after the Toshiba milling machine kerfuffle. Spoke with people in the Pentagon and everything. My conclusion? Give it up, because export controls on 3rd parties are impossible to implement, and therefore we were only hurting ourselves. ITAR, like a lot of laws, may have started out with good intentions, but it exists for the government to use against people/companies they don't like. While I agree with the idea of keeping military technology out of the hands of our enemies, the implementation of doing so is questionable. Yes, but a plastic smoothbore gun that can't take modern +P ammunition? Cutting edge military technology from the 13th year of the century. The 18th century. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:41:16 PM EDT
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There's the first shot across the bow that some of all y'all have been waiting on. EFF and ACLU are going to eat the DoD's heart on this one. Gun related. Not interested. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:41:56 PM EDT
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There's the first shot across the bow that some of all y'all have been waiting on. I see this as they've taken the bait. And now the Internet civil disobedience machine springs to life. The game is afoot, gentlemen. Rule number 1: never get into a land war in Asia. Rule number 0: never piss off the internet. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:43:21 PM EDT
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There's the first shot across the bow that some of all y'all have been waiting on. EFF and ACLU are going to eat the DoD's heart on this one. Gun related. Not interested. I'll bet the EFF would be interested. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:44:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:44:22 PM EDT
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They can't prevent all of that from being torrented. They would have to kill the internet.
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:44:29 PM EDT
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There's the first shot across the bow that some of all y'all have been waiting on. EFF and ACLU are going to eat the DoD's heart on this one. Gun related. Not interested. I'll bet the EFF would be interested. Little bird told me the EFF is already mounting up and they are loaded for fucking bear. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:45:12 PM EDT
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If disseminating Magpul training videos over the World Wide Web is considered by the federal government as an ITAR violation then it should be no surprise that they would treat this in the same manner.
Not saying it’s right, but I’d bet that is what they claim. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:45:20 PM EDT
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Forgot about that John Gilmore quote.
"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:45:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:47:52 PM EDT
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Extremest! Extremist |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:48:40 PM EDT
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that clip art takedown notice looks too well produced to be real
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:48:54 PM EDT
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Downloading done, and I didn't have to use Torrents.
BTW, how in the fuck can the .gov justify what they've done here? |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:50:07 PM EDT
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Extremest! Extremist Whoops
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:50:48 PM EDT
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There's the first shot across the bow that some of all y'all have been waiting on. EFF and ACLU are going to eat the DoD's heart on this one. Gun related. Not interested. I'll bet the EFF would be interested. Good point - EFF is a bit like the NRA - 1 issue, and other things that come along with it are of minor importance. The ACLU, however, is the exact opposite. They believe that the 2nd amendment is a collective right, even though the rest of the Constitution involves individual rights. And besides which, the 2nd has the NRA to advocate for it - they need to focus their resources where it's most needed. On EVERYTHING else but the RKBA. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:51:06 PM EDT
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Downloading done, and I didn't have to use Torrents. BTW, how in the fuck can the .gov justify what they've done here? They make up stats to support their actions. duh 
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:51:49 PM EDT
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Forgot about that John Gilmore quote. "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." Perfect. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:52:00 PM EDT
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There's the first shot across the bow that some of all y'all have been waiting on. EFF and ACLU are going to eat the DoD's heart on this one. Gun related. Not interested. I'll bet the EFF would be interested. Good point - EFF is a bit like the NRA - 1 issue, and other things that come along with it are of minor importance. The ACLU, however, is the exact opposite. They believe that the 2nd amendment is a collective right, even though the rest of the Constitution involves individual rights. And besides which, the 2nd has the NRA to advocate for it - they need to focus their resources where it's most needed. On EVERYTHING else but the RKBA. There are massive 1st Amendment implications in play here. I would be gobsmacked if the ACLU isn't at least discussing it. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:53:50 PM EDT
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ACLU has gotten involved in gun issues, as long as it is also a first amendment issue.
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:56:30 PM EDT
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"The thing they don't catch on to in Washington, and they never caught on to, and they never will, is that Washington can only legislate at the speed of law," he said. "The Internet can get around legislation at the speed of light."
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:57:17 PM EDT
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Good point - EFF is a bit like the NRA - 1 issue, and other things that come along with it are of minor importance. The ACLU, however, is the exact opposite. They believe that the 2nd amendment is a collective right, even though the rest of the Constitution involves individual rights. And besides which, the 2nd has the NRA to advocate for it - they need to focus their resources where it's most needed. On EVERYTHING else but the RKBA. There are massive 1st Amendment implications in play here. I would be gobsmacked if the ACLU isn't at least discussing it. The ACLU is a political organization, not an ideological one. They choose their fights very carefully to promote a certain political agenda. For instance, they are surprisingly mute regarding the use of "hate crime" laws to punish people in cases where no actual crime occurred. They have no problem with *bad* thought being punished. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:58:14 PM EDT
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"The thing they don't catch on to in Washington, and they never caught on to, and they never will, is that Washington can only legislate at the speed of law," he said. "The Internet can get around legislation at the speed of light." hell yeah |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:58:52 PM EDT
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ACLU has gotten involved in gun issues, as long as it is also a first amendment issue. Examples? At the national level their explicit policy is that gun control if fine and dandy. I will admit I've seen some action at the state and local chapters, but not very much and not well publicized. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 12:59:16 PM EDT
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Hurry up and get your preban version of solidworks I'd almost guarantee that solidworks, Rhino, Mastercam, etc... are all ITAR controlled software. Negative. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 1:00:06 PM EDT
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This whole thing seems like a publicity stunt. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't the feds just shut down the site all together and sort it out later for something like this? Until further confirmation I'm calling BS I have a sneaking suspicion that the feds involved in this are treading very carefully. Pissing off the internet is very easy and can end very badly for the instigator. Seizing property and silencing somebody for protected speech, and then piling all the potential 2nd Amendment issues on top of that... whooboy. Piss off the internet with all that in play, and the series of tubes could quite easily turn into Bakara Market. They probably also realize that they could absolutely lose their asses in court on a number of fronts and neatly blow away huge chunks of US arms control statutes in the process. By doing this, they've potentially put the GCA, ITAR, and parts of the NFA in play if things go hot in the courts. We really need to stop thinking of this in the same vein as the MegaUpload fiasco. This is different. This is a Lexington & Concord moment at the newly discovered juncture of the physical, digital, and legal realms. Exactly. Those of you thinking their getting shut down is a bad thing are wrong - DefCad exists for this very reason. Push the fuckers into making a ruling too fast for them to get their lies straight, and something good for the people is going to shake loose. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 1:05:46 PM EDT
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If I wanted a list of all the people like us, and to say, insert a key tracker into it, I'd ban something we liked, and then I'd put out a mirror with a modified "bootleg" version of it. That's what I'd do. Wow, dude. That, like TOTALLY blew my mind. Literally. Or you could just make note of active posters on sites like this one. That too. If you put a trojan horse in the file though, you could get all sorts of folks to open up a back door into your computer though. All nice and voluntary. Outlaw the file as conspiracy to violate the undetectable firearms law, and you have PC to go after more.
ETA: Just read the post about the checksums being published. Score one for the good guys.
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Posted: 5/9/2013 1:27:17 PM EDT
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I think the Liberator is the only one taken down. As for ITAR, I did a research paper in college near the end of the Cold War on export controls to the Soviets. It was right after the Toshiba milling machine kerfuffle. Spoke with people in the Pentagon and everything. My conclusion? Give it up, because export controls on 3rd parties are impossible to implement, and therefore we were only hurting ourselves. ITAR, like a lot of laws, may have started out with good intentions, but it exists for the government to use against people/companies they don't like. While I agree with the idea of keeping military technology out of the hands of our enemies, the implementation of doing so is questionable. Yes, but a plastic smoothbore gun that can't take modern +P ammunition? Cutting edge military technology from the 13th year of the century. The 18th century. Not really. I can, right now, print up a modification of "The Liberator" that uses Glock barrels as an internal sleeve and "The Liberator" would be an automatic, or at the very least I'd just have to cock it every time. That's near twentieth and the technology is improving drastically every day. Or I could go use the Laser Sintering machine and print the Liberator out of metal. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 1:29:26 PM EDT
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I think the Liberator is the only one taken down. As for ITAR, I did a research paper in college near the end of the Cold War on export controls to the Soviets. It was right after the Toshiba milling machine kerfuffle. Spoke with people in the Pentagon and everything. My conclusion? Give it up, because export controls on 3rd parties are impossible to implement, and therefore we were only hurting ourselves. ITAR, like a lot of laws, may have started out with good intentions, but it exists for the government to use against people/companies they don't like. While I agree with the idea of keeping military technology out of the hands of our enemies, the implementation of doing so is questionable. Yes, but a plastic smoothbore gun that can't take modern +P ammunition? Cutting edge military technology from the 13th year of the century. The 18th century. Not really. I can, right now, print up a modification of "The Liberator" that uses Glock barrels as an internal sleeve and "The Liberator" would be an automatic, or at the very least I'd just have to cock it every time. That's near twentieth and the technology is improving drastically every day. Or I could go use the Laser Sintering machine and print the Liberator out of metal. Glock barrel and use printed parts to make lost casting molds. Instant precision cast aluminum parts with a heat-treated rifled steel barrel. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 1:34:24 PM EDT
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and just because the question will be asked...
(if you can't handle me not hotlinking them, you're probably not ready for home-grade 3d printing. ) |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 1:36:56 PM EDT
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Watch them put the clamps on these 3d printers via interstate commerce clause.
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Posted: 5/9/2013 1:38:08 PM EDT
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look at the top of the page in RED DEFCAD files are being removed from public access at the request of the US Department of Defense Trade Controls.
Until further notice, the United States government claims control of the information.  
They should list that on their resume of things they have accomplished, along with the 'war on drugs' and the 'dont alter this pic of nobama shooting the gun'. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 1:38:54 PM EDT
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This whole thing seems like a publicity stunt. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't the feds just shut down the site all together and sort it out later for something like this? Until further confirmation I'm calling BS I have a sneaking suspicion that the feds involved in this are treading very carefully. Pissing off the internet is very easy and can end very badly for the instigator. Seizing property and silencing somebody for protected speech, and then piling all the potential 2nd Amendment issues on top of that... whooboy. Piss off the internet with all that in play, and the series of tubes could quite easily turn into Bakara Market. They probably also realize that they could absolutely lose their asses in court on a number of fronts and neatly blow away huge chunks of US arms control statutes in the process. By doing this, they've potentially put the GCA, ITAR, and parts of the NFA in play if things go hot in the courts. We really need to stop thinking of this in the same vein as the MegaUpload fiasco. This is different. This is a Lexington & Concord moment at the newly discovered juncture of the physical, digital, and legal realms. Exactly. Those of you thinking their getting shut down is a bad thing are wrong - DefCad exists for this very reason. Push the fuckers into making a ruling too fast for them to get their lies straight, and something good for the people is going to shake loose. Bing-farking-go Nail meet hammer. This is *EXACTLY* what the guys at Def-Cad wanted! Personally I expected this to happen months ago when the AR15 lower files hit the net, but nope. It got attention, but nothing like this is going to be. If you've downloaded this already, you really should also put these files on various removable solid state media too. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 1:39:48 PM EDT
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This whole thing seems like a publicity stunt. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't the feds just shut down the site all together and sort it out later for something like this? Until further confirmation I'm calling BS I have a sneaking suspicion that the feds involved in this are treading very carefully. Pissing off the internet is very easy and can end very badly for the instigator. Seizing property and silencing somebody for protected speech, and then piling all the potential 2nd Amendment issues on top of that... whooboy. Piss off the internet with all that in play, and the series of tubes could quite easily turn into Bakara Market. They probably also realize that they could absolutely lose their asses in court on a number of fronts and neatly blow away huge chunks of US arms control statutes in the process. By doing this, they've potentially put the GCA, ITAR, and parts of the NFA in play if things go hot in the courts. We really need to stop thinking of this in the same vein as the MegaUpload fiasco. This is different. This is a Lexington & Concord moment at the newly discovered juncture of the physical, digital, and legal realms. Exactly. Those of you thinking their getting shut down is a bad thing are wrong - DefCad exists for this very reason. Push the fuckers into making a ruling too fast for them to get their lies straight, and something good for the people is going to shake loose. Bing-farking-go Nail meet hammer. This is *EXACTLY* what the guys at Def-Cad wanted! Personally I expected this to happen months ago when the AR15 lower files hit the net, but nope. It got attention, but nothing like this is going to be. If you've downloaded this already, you really should also put these files on various removable solid state media too. AR15 cad files have been on the net for years. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 1:41:32 PM EDT
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This whole thing seems like a publicity stunt. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't the feds just shut down the site all together and sort it out later for something like this? Until further confirmation I'm calling BS I have a sneaking suspicion that the feds involved in this are treading very carefully. Pissing off the internet is very easy and can end very badly for the instigator. Seizing property and silencing somebody for protected speech, and then piling all the potential 2nd Amendment issues on top of that... whooboy. Piss off the internet with all that in play, and the series of tubes could quite easily turn into Bakara Market. They probably also realize that they could absolutely lose their asses in court on a number of fronts and neatly blow away huge chunks of US arms control statutes in the process. By doing this, they've potentially put the GCA, ITAR, and parts of the NFA in play if things go hot in the courts. We really need to stop thinking of this in the same vein as the MegaUpload fiasco. This is different. This is a Lexington & Concord moment at the newly discovered juncture of the physical, digital, and legal realms. Exactly. Those of you thinking their getting shut down is a bad thing are wrong - DefCad exists for this very reason. Push the fuckers into making a ruling too fast for them to get their lies straight, and something good for the people is going to shake loose. Bing-farking-go Nail meet hammer. This is *EXACTLY* what the guys at Def-Cad wanted! Personally I expected this to happen months ago when the AR15 lower files hit the net, but nope. It got attention, but nothing like this is going to be. If you've downloaded this already, you really should also put these files on various removable solid state media too. AR15 cad files have been on the net for years. Yeah, but doing anything with them took a pretty special skillset that most don't have. With the whole printing thing.. you just need the files and a printer to start cranking out the parts. |
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Posted: 5/9/2013 1:42:01 PM EDT
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