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Posted: 10/12/2010 5:38:33 AM EDT
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A sniper crouches near an open window and zooms in on his target, who sits a half-mile away. He peers through a scope and holds his breath, preparing to squeeze the trigger. But it’s windy outside, and he can't afford a miss. What to do? A new DARPA-funded electro-optical system will calculate the ballistics for him, telling him where to aim and ensuring a perfect shot, no matter the weather conditions. Lockheed Martin won a $6.9 million contract this week for the second phase of DARPA’s One-Shot system, which will provide direct observations of a target, measure every variable that influences a bullet’s flight, and calculate the aim offset in a sniper’s rifle scope. During the project’s first phase, which started in 2007, Lockheed developed a down-range system that measured average crosswind; range to target; spotter scope position; air temperature, pressure, and humidity; and more, according to Military Aerospace. Using all those variables, it calculated the ballistics for a .308 bullet at ranges as far as 3,600 feet. While that’s impressive, the system was too heavy and unwieldy, and it couldn’t be used with standard rifle scopes. The phase two design will be more compact and able to operate in real time and over longer distances. It will measure atmospheric conditions, account for the weapon’s maximum effective range and include GPS coordinates. It’s also supposed to communicate with the rifle scope, informing the gun itself of the aim point offset and expected crosswind. Lockheed is supposed to deliver 15 field-testable prototypes by next October. |
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Posted: 10/12/2010 5:40:51 AM EDT
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DARPA's new project:
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Posted: 10/12/2010 5:42:37 AM EDT
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I wonder how much each unit cost?
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Posted: 10/12/2010 5:43:53 AM EDT
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You mean like this guy?  |
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Posted: 10/12/2010 5:52:45 AM EDT
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DARPA DARPA, US JIHAD
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Posted: 10/12/2010 5:56:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2010 11:29:05 AM EDT
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I wonder how much each unit cost?
More than an ACOG I bet
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:18:53 PM EDT
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You mean like this guy? Man I fucking loved his origin story. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:21:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: DARPA DARPA, US JIHAD    |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:26:22 PM EDT
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Changing wind, heart beat, shooter mechanics.
I'll bet that fake ass calculator won't be better than an experienced shooter. Darpa does some stupid shit. DARPA: FLYING HMMWV'S 
ME: Um, Helicopters? 
DARPA: 
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:28:34 PM EDT
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Laser guided smart bullets are what is needed.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:30:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: a setup that can make all the adjustments for you def would do betterChanging wind, heart beat, shooter mechanics. I'll bet that fake ass calculator won't be better than an experienced shooter. Darpa does some stupid shit. DARPA: FLYING HMMWV'S ME: Um, Helicopters? DARPA: |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:31:12 PM EDT
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Changing wind, heart beat, shooter mechanics. I'll bet that fake ass calculator won't be better than an experienced shooter. Darpa does some stupid shit. DARPA: FLYING HMMWV'S
ME: Um, Helicopters?
DARPA:
Nice 
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:32:21 PM EDT
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Changing wind, heart beat, shooter mechanics. I'll bet that fake ass calculator won't be better than an experienced shooter. Darpa does some stupid shit. DARPA: FLYING HMMWV'S
ME: Um, Helicopters?
DARPA:
I am guessing the end goal of this is to get better 1st round accuracy from the squad level rather than replace the long range marksman that has been classically trained as a sniper. Long term it would be cheaper to buy some of these when they are developed then have a sniper team in every squad. Its not a bad idea. Of all the stupid shit DARPA fucks around with this is probably the most grounded and realistically goaled project they have going. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:33:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:36:41 PM EDT
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Changing wind, heart beat, shooter mechanics. I'll bet that fake ass calculator won't be better than an experienced shooter. Darpa does some stupid shit. DARPA: FLYING HMMWV'S
ME: Um, Helicopters?
DARPA:
I'm very familiar with this system and have received several briefings from folks who have tested it, and according to all reports, it needs work (mainly size) but is extremely promising. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:45:56 PM EDT
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Darpa is just about the coolest organization in the world.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:47:38 PM EDT
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A scope that computes elevation and measures atmospheric conditions and then shows in the reticule where to aim isn't a bad idea.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:47:58 PM EDT
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We already field sniper PDAs; the next step is the advance generation RCO that will be like the sight on an M1 tank. It will not only take into account range effect but also calculate lead on moving targets.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:49:17 PM EDT
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Sounds a lot like the BORS system...
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:51:08 PM EDT
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Soooo... how long do we have to wait for some of these?
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:51:50 PM EDT
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Changing wind, heart beat, shooter mechanics. I'll bet that fake ass calculator won't be better than an experienced shooter. Darpa does some stupid shit. DARPA: FLYING HMMWV'S
ME: Um, Helicopters?
DARPA:
ahhh a monkey can be trained to accurately pull a trigger. What takes skill, is ranging targets and adjusting for wind. If human eyes can see mirage and trace, then an electronic sensor can (or will in the future) do it better. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:56:58 PM EDT
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i think it's great as long as soldiers keep getting trained on how to shoot without it real life aimbot hackers!
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:57:51 PM EDT
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Changing wind, heart beat, shooter mechanics. I'll bet that fake ass calculator won't be better than an experienced shooter. Darpa does some stupid shit. DARPA: FLYING HMMWV'S
ME: Um, Helicopters?
DARPA:
ahhh a monkey can be trained to accurately pull a trigger. What takes skill, is ranging targets and adjusting for wind. If human eyes can see mirage and trace, then an electronic sensor can (or will in the future) do it better. If we can see it, we can kill it already. Fuck, thing will probably cost more than a javelin. We have 100,000,000 ways to kill a flippin bad guy already. As a country (and the military is a reflection of our society) we seek technological solutions to what are often managerial or procedural problems. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:59:33 PM EDT
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A scope that computes elevation and measures atmospheric conditions and then shows in the reticule where to aim isn't a bad idea. Atmospheric conditions at the rifle aren't always the same as atmospheric conditions along the path of the bullet. A trained shooter judges wind across the entire flight path. A computer can only deal with the inputs at hand. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:06:36 PM EDT
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A scope that computes elevation and measures atmospheric conditions and then shows in the reticule where to aim isn't a bad idea. Atmospheric conditions at the rifle aren't always the same as atmospheric conditions along the path of the bullet. A trained shooter judges wind across the entire flight path. A computer can only deal with the inputs at hand. This sight measures crosswinds directly, by measuring backscatter from a frequency-hopping laser. A trained shooter can't always do that. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:08:20 PM EDT
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DARPA \/  |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:10:59 PM EDT
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Changing wind, heart beat, shooter mechanics. I'll bet that fake ass calculator won't be better than an experienced shooter. Darpa does some stupid shit. DARPA: FLYING HMMWV'S
ME: Um, Helicopters?
DARPA:
ahhh a monkey can be trained to accurately pull a trigger. What takes skill, is ranging targets and adjusting for wind. If human eyes can see mirage and trace, then an electronic sensor can (or will in the future) do it better. If we can see it, we can kill it already. Fuck, thing will probably cost more than a javelin. We have 100,000,000 ways to kill a flippin bad guy already. As a country (and the military is a reflection of our society) we seek technological solutions to what are often managerial or procedural problems. agreed |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:11:25 PM EDT
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A scope that computes elevation and measures atmospheric conditions and then shows in the reticule where to aim isn't a bad idea. Atmospheric conditions at the rifle aren't always the same as atmospheric conditions along the path of the bullet. A trained shooter judges wind across the entire flight path. A computer can only deal with the inputs at hand. This sight measures crosswinds directly, by measuring backscatter from a frequency-hopping laser. A trained shooter can't always do that. what could go wrong? I will say snipers missing their targets isn't a pressing issue right now. Inventing a 4 engine propeller driven cargo plane that will fly in combat conditions would be a better technological hurdle at this point. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:13:09 PM EDT
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A scope that computes elevation and measures atmospheric conditions and then shows in the reticule where to aim isn't a bad idea. Atmospheric conditions at the rifle aren't always the same as atmospheric conditions along the path of the bullet. A trained shooter judges wind across the entire flight path. A computer can only deal with the inputs at hand. I'm sure it will measure particle movement throughout the bullet path. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:13:49 PM EDT
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DARPA only does the really far out stuff. If it was easy they'd let someone else develop it.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:15:13 PM EDT
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DARPA has done a lot for this nation and there are a lot of smart people working there so maybe it would be wise to not underestimate what they can deliver.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:16:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: DARPA only does the really far out stuff. If it was easy they'd let someone else develop it. Exactly. Even if what they work on doesn't end up being fielded a lot of the research and development they do later is often applied to other programs. They're worth the money. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:17:34 PM EDT
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DARPA has done a lot for this nation and there are a lot of smart people working there so maybe it would be wise to not underestimate what they can deliver. We can have two lists: Things they have delivered. Things they haven't. And a budget accounting for each list. Not saying DARPA doesn't have its place, but it seems more interested in solving non-problems than real ones. You have that many big brains in one place, try to direct them a little. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:17:59 PM EDT
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What we are looking at is something that can make one man in a team effective to 1,000M without much increase in training.
Whether or not you agree with that approach is a different situation... And I certainly could talk for hours... |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:19:00 PM EDT
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DARPA has done a lot for this nation and there are a lot of smart people working there so maybe it would be wise to not underestimate what they can deliver. We can have two lists: Things they have delivered. Things they haven't. And a budget accounting for each list. Not saying DARPA doesn't have its place, but it seems more interested in solving non-problems than real ones. You have that many big brains in one place, try to direct them a little. Eh, they brought us the internet as a way to solve the issue of computing in a nuclear conflict. I suppose we can give them a little leeway. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:20:21 PM EDT
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't chey tac allready have this?
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:24:07 PM EDT
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DARPA has done a lot for this nation and there are a lot of smart people working there so maybe it would be wise to not underestimate what they can deliver. We can have two lists: Things they have delivered. Things they haven't. And a budget accounting for each list. Not saying DARPA doesn't have its place, but it seems more interested in solving non-problems than real ones. You have that many big brains in one place, try to direct them a little. Eh, they brought us the internet as a way to solve the issue of computing in a nuclear conflict. I suppose we can give them a little leeway. DARPA=Internet Porn? DARPA IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL HAIL DARPA!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:27:34 PM EDT
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't chey tac allready have this? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile That's a PDA. Very different. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:30:28 PM EDT
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What we are looking at is something that can make one man in a team effective to 1,000M without much increase in training. Whether or not you agree with that approach is a different situation... And I certainly could talk for hours... Javelin? Again, is the inability to engage from 600M to 1000M that big a problem? I don't think it is. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:32:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: You mean like this guy? Man I fucking loved his origin story. Because it was taken from Full Metal Jacket. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:33:45 PM EDT
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't chey tac allready have this? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile That's a PDA. Very different. It does basically the same thing desribed in the OP IIRC. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:33:57 PM EDT
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What we are looking at is something that can make one man in a team effective to 1,000M without much increase in training. Whether or not you agree with that approach is a different situation... And I certainly could talk for hours... Javelin? Again, is the inability to engage from 600M to 1000M that big a problem? I don't think it is. It makes IWs (M16s and such) viable at those distances. It makes an 8.56MM rifle in the hands of an 11B a 1,600M weapon system. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:34:52 PM EDT
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't chey tac allready have this? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile That's a PDA. Very different. It does basically the same thing desribed in the OP IIRC. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No. Because it doesn't do it all without operator input. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:39:05 PM EDT
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I think "Mini Javelins" would be better maybe a 1 pound warhead with air burst capability would be better served in my opinion.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:41:25 PM EDT
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I think "Mini Javelins" would be better maybe a 1 pound warhead with air burst capability would be better served in my opinion. It would cost just as much. The enemy isn't really effective until you are within 200M. fuck if only they could think of something that would allow an infantryman to close with, and destroy the enemy, by means of fire and manuever in order to destroy or capture him. We could call them bionic observable operational tactical system |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:43:31 PM EDT
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fuck if only they could think of something that would allow an infantryman to close with, and destroy the enemy, by means of fire and manuever in order to destroy or capture him. We could call them bionic observable operational tactical system That sounds so... exhausting. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:44:21 PM EDT
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fuck if only they could think of something that would allow an infantryman to close with, and destroy the enemy, by means of fire and manuever in order to destroy or capture him. We could call them bionic observable operational tactical system That sounds so... exhausting. And yet, so much safer. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:44:31 PM EDT
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I think we need to go back to the basics if we want more accuracy.
Take the rifle out of the hands of the marksman... and replace it with a scope. Let the computer aim the rifle accordingly. 
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Posted: 10/27/2010 3:51:29 PM EDT
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Laser guided smart bullets are what is needed. programmed hunter-seeker micro flying nanobots with super poisonous stings and self exploding bodies in swarms of 100 to 200 thousand units deployed over wide areas with specific dna sniffing ability. kill everything of a specific ethnic group or even individuals (dialed in based on target requirements). deployed by drones or low earth orbit satellites. bio-degradable or self destroying to deny responsibility. coming, to. a. low. intensity. war. .. soon. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 4:48:47 PM EDT
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Laser guided smart bullets are what is needed. programmed hunter-seeker micro flying nanobots with super poisonous stings and self exploding bodies in swarms of 100 to 200 thousand units deployed over wide areas with specific dna sniffing ability. kill everything of a specific ethnic group or even individuals (dialed in based on target requirements). deployed by drones or low earth orbit satellites. bio-degradable or self destroying to deny responsibility. coming, to. a. low. intensity. war. .. soon. http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Hunter-seeker Someone has been reading Herbert :) Seriously though, while this scope thing is cool, it isn't really a technological breakthrough. It's just incremental improvement. |
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