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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:35:01 PM EDT
I have some crown going in and baseboard trim. The first 3 pics are of the crown. Do this look right? I thought they would go in at a 45 but it looks like one piece go square to the wall and the second is cut to fit the contour of the crown. This dosent seem correct but I am not an expert at this. The first pic is looking up from eye height. The second is shooting straight up at the joint from the floor direction.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:37:08 PM EDT
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It's called "coping"
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:37:11 PM EDT
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no..that is not correct. what type of saw are you using?
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:37:25 PM EDT
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that's why they make caulk
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:37:28 PM EDT
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Nope
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:38:09 PM EDT
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That is called coping. The first piece is cut square and the second is coped to fit. What I see in your pictures is either not finished or just plain sucks.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:38:26 PM EDT
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i would say that is incorrect
but once you caulk the splice it might look fine. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:38:38 PM EDT
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No, it's not right. At least i've never seen it done that way before...
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:40:07 PM EDT
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depends...paint or stain for the finish
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:40:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryBut not a very good example of it. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:40:15 PM EDT
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It's been poorly coped. The guys that work for me don't leave any visible gaps when coping.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:41:23 PM EDT
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Coping is the way to do it but it doesn't look like that was done. You only do 45s on the outside corners.
FYI, caulk is no substitute for a proper joint. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:41:28 PM EDT
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But not a very good example of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
But not a very good example of it. Correct. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:41:28 PM EDT
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I'm not using anything. This is a contractor. Help me out here. Is the coping the problem or the sawing or what? How do I explain this to him.
It will be painted whitw. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:41:35 PM EDT
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:43:37 PM EDT
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Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:43:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not using anything. This is a contractor. Help me out here. Is the coping the problem or the sawing or what? How do I explain this to him. It will be painted white. Click to 2:05 here: |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:45:12 PM EDT
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That is called coping. The first piece is cut square and the second is coped to fit. What I see in your pictures is either not finished or just plain sucks. This. The coping on that sucks. I have both coped and cut the pieces at a 45. In the end, if it gets painted, your painter will just have to caulk or spackle the hell out of it. I did framing, including finish carpentry for a while and painted houses for a while. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:46:41 PM EDT
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? probably charged more. fast cheap good. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:46:42 PM EDT
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I wouldn't be happy with that.
If I'm paying for work to be done I expect it to be better then what I can do myself In before your response that he says your being to picky |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:48:02 PM EDT
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Your contractor needs this.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:48:15 PM EDT
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:48:23 PM EDT
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That looks terrible. Its not difficult to miter cut and make it look good. Shit it doesn't even take any longer.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:49:09 PM EDT
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I'm not using anything. This is a contractor. Help me out here. Is the coping the problem or the sawing or what? How do I explain this to him. It will be painted whitw. The piece that does not reach the wall, the piece on the right in your first pic, should be cut to match, as exactly as possible, the curvature of the piece on the left. Your contractor half-assed it. it doesn't match well at all. Like I said above, if it gets painted it really is not that big of a deal b/c a good painter will fix the gaps and massage the curves. Now if your finish carpenter is also the painter, I hope he paints better than he does carpentry. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:49:29 PM EDT
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OP, that is a pathetic install. Coping is fine if done right, personally I mitre my corners, either way that is unacceptable work for a carpenter charging money.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:51:01 PM EDT
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That looks terrible. Its not difficult to miter cut and make it look good. Shit it doesn't even take any longer. Miter cut is actually faster b/c when you cope it you are generally doing it by hand. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:51:27 PM EDT
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That's what caulk is made for.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:51:30 PM EDT
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That is crappy work there OP. I am not a carpenter but when I put up chair rail in my dining room I coped the corners. . |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:52:13 PM EDT
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I have ran new home trim for big builders back in the day...it depends on what they pay you really
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:52:13 PM EDT
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There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:53:04 PM EDT
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This. The coping on that sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That is called coping. The first piece is cut square and the second is coped to fit. What I see in your pictures is either not finished or just plain sucks. This. The coping on that sucks. This is of course the origination for the expression, "I can't cope!" |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:54:09 PM EDT
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Not done correctly. Both sides need to be cope'ed at the proper angle. That said, you need to hit it with caulk (or wood filler,) if you're staining.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:55:54 PM EDT
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Not done correctly. Both sides need to be cope'ed at the proper angle. That said, you need to hit it with caulk (or wood filler,) if you're staining. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I'm not sure you understand what "coping" is. Only one piece of moulding is "coped". (please refer to above imbedded video for a down and dirty explanation) |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:56:13 PM EDT
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Crappy way to do it in my opinion. (unless you are going to take the time to hand file it)
That said, Crown is not something you should try to do your self without two things: 1) the right saw....a sliding compound miter 2) knowledge |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:57:02 PM EDT
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Crappy way to do it in my opinion. (unless you are going to take the time to hand file it) That said, Crown is not something you should try to do your self without two three things: 1) the right saw....a sliding compound miter 2) knowledge 3) Lots of extra pieces of crown FIFY |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:57:31 PM EDT
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Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:57:51 PM EDT
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Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. I'm not a contractor, but my crownmolding looks better than that. A coping saw has a thin blade on a shortened bow saw-looking handle. You cut one piece to match the contours of the piece it goes up against. Odds are, your dude is going to caulk that joint and then paint it. Caulking sucks because in 4 or 5 years, the caulk will shrink and you'll be able to see the gap left. Which means you get to recaulk the joint. FWIW, I cut my inside corners on a 45. I tried coping it and it looked like shit (because I'm not a pro and hate installing crown molding). |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:01:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. Make him redo that piece, it's unacceptable to charge for that type of joint. You hire us for our expertise in carpentry, this is poor work. Tight joints are more important with crown than most other paint grade trim, those cracks will be extremely visible. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:01:37 PM EDT
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That looks terrible. Its not difficult to miter cut and make it look good. Shit it doesn't even take any longer. I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:03:21 PM EDT
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Holy shit that looks like ass. If you really don't give a fuck some paint and caulking would do but that is half assed no doubt. He just butted them up against one another.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:03:50 PM EDT
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Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. is he at least good looking? no homo |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:03:59 PM EDT
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Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. The whole reason for coping instead of mitering crown is so that the intersections of moldings don't open as the house moves with seasonal humidity changes. To accomplish this, the original joint should not have visible gaps when installed. Paint and caulk help smooth the transition point between moldings, but they should never be used to fill gaps. To me, that joint would not be acceptable. If I'm set up to install crown, it takes very little extra time for me to ensure a joint fits perfectly. There's not much excuse for leaving it the way your picture shows. Now, is it the worst I've seen?  Not by a long shot. If the guy isn't the cheapest guy you could find or one who promised he'd be done in day, it should look better.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:07:40 PM EDT
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I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That looks terrible. Its not difficult to miter cut and make it look good. Shit it doesn't even take any longer. I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Bingo. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:09:03 PM EDT
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just trimming out houses Americans are not willing to do...if it's already done by your builder , it's done
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:10:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ... I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.Got any pics? I'd be interested to see that. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:10:48 PM EDT
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Bingo. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.
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That looks terrible. Its not difficult to miter cut and make it look good. Shit it doesn't even take any longer. I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Bingo. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.
Coping seemed to be a magical process. It was easier for me to miter it. My old man said I was retarded for inside mitering. Am I missing something here or was my old man right? |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:11:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:14:42 PM EDT
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I cope all my miters these days. I can do it faster than others can miter.The pictures shown are a bad job. Coping is actually better. If its mitered with a 45 it will eventually open up.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:14:58 PM EDT
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... I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.
Got any pics? I'd be interested to see that. I'll get some tomorrow. It's not a massive crown as most of the individual pieces are smaller, but it's a replica of an original Victorian pattern so it's got lots of small details. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:15:40 PM EDT
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Coping seemed to be a magical process. It was easier for me to miter it. My old man said I was retarded for inside mitering. Am I missing something here or was my old man right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That looks terrible. Its not difficult to miter cut and make it look good. Shit it doesn't even take any longer. I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Bingo. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.
Coping seemed to be a magical process. It was easier for me to miter it. My old man said I was retarded for inside mitering. Am I missing something here or was my old man right? Your old man was spot on. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 5:17:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Coping seemed to be a magical process. It was easier for me to miter it. My old man said I was retarded for inside mitering. Am I missing something here or was my old man right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That looks terrible. Its not difficult to miter cut and make it look good. Shit it doesn't even take any longer. I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Bingo. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.Coping seemed to be a magical process. It was easier for me to miter it. My old man said I was retarded for inside mitering. Am I missing something here or was my old man right? |
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