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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Crimes by class 3 with class 3 weapons?

Posted: 7/30/2004 7:45:43 PM EDT

Has any legal class 3 owner ever comitted a crime with their legally owned and registered class 3 weapons or suprresors? Just my guess the percentage is in the hundredths of a percent.

Posted: 7/30/2004 7:57:24 PM EDT

[#1]

atf guy in the academy told me that no crimes have to his knowlege been commited with registered, legal machine guns, bt i have heard of a time when i think a cop did some crime with one, someone correct me if i am wrong, i may be on the cop thing

Posted: 7/31/2004 3:49:57 PM EDT

[#2]

Only two crimes have been by the fuzz, twice.

Posted: 7/31/2004 4:04:47 PM EDT

[#3]

I can confirm ONE murder. In 1980, a Philadelphia cop gave his wife a "full auto divorce" with his legally owned and registered class III firearm.

I have not heard any data on a second but I've heard there was one.

Since 1935 when the registration took effect, BATF lists not more than a dozen felonies committed by Class III owners with those class III weapons, and most of those were not violent crimes but errors or omissions in paperwork.

By far, the safest single class of ALL PEOPLE in general is class III owners.

CJ

Posted: 7/31/2004 5:00:08 PM EDT

[#4]

IMHO, you gotta watch if you ever use this in a pro-gun argument, as it can easily be turned around on you as an argument for national registration and a strict transfer process for ALL guns.

Rocko

Posted: 7/31/2004 5:23:47 PM EDT

[#5]

I have thought about that before. It's best to consider carefully what you say when you present the safety of class III owners as an argument against gun control.

You're under the spotlight and a magnifying glass if you're a class III owner. It tends to weed out the squirrels.

CJ

Posted: 8/1/2004 5:00:22 PM EDT

[#6]

I've only heard of one, a LEO offed a drug dealer who wasn't convicted. A silencer was used. This does seem to promote the're have been only two.

Posted: 8/1/2004 6:12:47 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
I've only heard of one, a LEO offed a drug dealer who wasn't convicted. A silencer was used. This does seem to promote the're have been only two.

He had a Mac and waxed an informant.

Posted: 8/1/2004 6:48:28 PM EDT

[#8]

A Dayton Ohio cop used a MAC to shoot a guy. Legal gun and all. Often the subject at local gun shows. It would appear legal MG would be abused less if we forbid xfers to cops!!

Posted: 8/2/2004 11:32:36 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
I have thought about that before. It's best to consider carefully what you say when you present the safety of class III owners as an argument against gun control.

Yeah, when most people bring this up, they tend to start off with "Since 1934, only...", to which I'd think most intellegent people would ask "Why 1934, what's so special about then?".

Posted: 8/6/2004 7:51:06 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
A Dayton Ohio cop used a MAC to shoot a guy. Legal gun and all. Often the subject at local gun shows. It would appear legal MG would be abused less if we forbid xfers to cops!!

I used to shoot IPSC with a bunch of Dayton area LE... 1 in particular, with Miamisburg forever, told us about it.

Firearm used was a MAC 11 (380) with a suppressor.

Refer to a case refered to as "Searcy vs Dayton". Think it can be found at titleii.com or in the Bardwell files. About 12 or 13 pages of stuff.

Posted: 8/9/2004 9:23:40 AM EDT

[#11]

There have been MANY class III "crimes" that have resulted in prison time. Almost all were minor paperwork crimes by dealers.

I know of the two murders by cops mentioned above, and heard of one killing since then, a swat or narc in a small town, on a raid, shot into a room as a door opened, just as another cop crouching by the door stood, hitting him in the back of the head, killing him. The officer that killed the other one was initially charged, but I heard nothing of the case since.

Posted: 8/9/2004 9:57:14 AM EDT

[#12]

so it seems that machine guns do not account for a lot of crime...

Posted: 8/14/2004 9:13:38 PM EDT

[#13]

I saw a specail about machineguns (it might have been modern marvels) on the history channel, and according to one of those little interesting facts they always show you when they are about to go to a commercial, there has been only one murder with a registered machinegun since 1934 and it was commited by a police officer. That's what the historychannel said anyway, and it seem to fit with what is being said here. I guess that was the "full auto divorce" mentioned above.

Posted: 8/15/2004 9:26:30 AM EDT

[#14]

Google didn't have anything on "Searcy vs Dayton"

Don't have access to a legal library.

Posted: 8/15/2004 1:03:54 PM EDT

[#15]

Some SWAT cop in Rhode Island or somewhere went a mini shooting spree a few years ago with an MP5.

CRC

Posted: 8/20/2004 4:30:08 PM EDT

[#16]

http://www.impactsites2000.com/site3/NFA%20Laws.htm

Found it. Only cops should be banned from machine gun ownership

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