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Posted: 10/14/2013 11:40:12 AM EDT
This is what happens when they courts get involved and tell you who you have to hire. I welcome this news. These people should never have been given the chance to ride a truck anyway.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/13/fdnys-court-mandated-class-flaming-out/
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 11:42:14 AM EDT
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They sent me a letter to join the class action suit over this shit.

- the hiring process.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 11:43:12 AM EDT
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In before runcible ...
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 11:45:03 AM EDT
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but, but , but is more fair this way !!
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 11:49:25 AM EDT
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He said physical demands, such as running a mile and a half in 12 minutes, are too strictly enforced and said probies who show steady improvement are still being weeded out.
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Seriously? They were gifted a spot, now they want more time on the run too? Unfuckingbelievable.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 11:51:38 AM EDT
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Where are the fucking trophies for everyone? HMMMMMM?
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 11:55:30 AM EDT
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My father was an instructor at the FDNY academy in the '80s. I'll be sending him this link so he can laugh his ass off.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 12:04:51 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/14/2013 12:06:09 PM EDT
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WTF...they always leave the Asians out  
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"I’m good at the physical stuff — that wasn’t a problem for me,” said
a near-40-year-old who first took the FDNY entrance test in 1999 and
jumped at the chance to try again. But the exams, on topics from
building construction to hazardous ­materials, tripped him up.



"The only thing was academic. I wanted to stay with it, but the
people who run the academy felt my GPA was too low,” he said, adding
that he could have improved his grades if given more time.



"I think I could have pulled it off. I left my job to try something new, and they kicked me to the curb.”

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 I mean really, how hard can the fire academy be?
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I'm curious how you "too strictly enforce" a run time.

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Math is hard, and stuff.
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 I mean really, how hard can the fire academy be?
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"I’m good at the physical stuff — that wasn’t a problem for me,” said a near-40-year-old who first took the FDNY entrance test in 1999 and jumped at the chance to try again. But the exams, on topics from building construction to hazardous ­materials, tripped him up.

"The only thing was academic. I wanted to stay with it, but the people who run the academy felt my GPA was too low,” he said, adding that he could have improved his grades if given more time.

"I think I could have pulled it off. I left my job to try something new, and they kicked me to the curb.”



 I mean really, how hard can the fire academy be?


What's that, a 40 year old guy can't compete with 20 somethings doing a physical activity?

Color me shocked.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 12:16:31 PM EDT
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We have lost 50% in academies. That is without any affirmative action based hiring. The only extra points go for vets.
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I'm curious how you "too strictly enforce" a run time.

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He said physical demands, such as running a mile and a half in 12 minutes, are too strictly enforced and said probies who show steady improvement are still being weeded out.




Seriously? They were gifted a spot, now they want more time on the run too? Unfuckingbelievable.


I'm curious how you "too strictly enforce" a run time.

You either make the run in the required time, or you don't.


You don't see the problem? They tried hard, doesn't that count for anything? A for effort, everyone's a winner, any of that ring a bell?

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I'm just dropping in to say DUPE.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 12:20:03 PM EDT
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You watch.  The courts will force them to lower their acadamy standards.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 12:25:29 PM EDT
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LOL, Standards are now a myth.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 12:28:06 PM EDT
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FUEGO!
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 12:34:41 PM EDT
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No, they will keep the standards but the city will tell their instructors to pass them even though they didn't meet them.
Just like all the people in my police academy class who dropped out of every run, couldn't do the obstacle course, etc who then miraculously passed on the final try while the rest of us were told to wait outside the gym in the hallway.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 12:39:31 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/14/2013 12:47:53 PM EDT
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I think paralyzed people are under represented in the F.D.  They ought to fix that.



And midgets too.  Dear lord, I'd like to see a chinese fire drill with an all midget crew.

Link Posted: 10/14/2013 12:51:45 PM EDT
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We had a midget on the PD.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 12:52:07 PM EDT
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Me and my wife are both career FF's.

Stuff like this pisses her off to no end, because everyone thinks she got special treatment because she's a woman, and in turn, no matter what she achieves on her own, she doesn't get full credit because they think she had an easier path.
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No, they will keep the standards but the city will tell their instructors to pass them even though they didn't meet them.
Just like all the people in my police academy class who dropped out of every run, couldn't do the obstacle course, etc who then miraculously passed on the final try while the rest of us were told to wait outside the gym in the hallway.
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You watch.  The courts will force them to lower their acadamy standards.

No, they will keep the standards but the city will tell their instructors to pass them even though they didn't meet them.
Just like all the people in my police academy class who dropped out of every run, couldn't do the obstacle course, etc who then miraculously passed on the final try while the rest of us were told to wait outside the gym in the hallway.


Link Posted: 10/14/2013 12:53:42 PM EDT
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I'm would love to be a firefighter for a living, but I have the sense to know that I'm past my expiration date.






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We had a midget on the PD.
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And midgets too.  Dear lord, I'd like to see a chinese fire drill with an all midget crew.



We had a midget on the PD.


Were uniforms special order...or was he undercover? Nobody would ever thing a midget slinging dope was a cop!



 
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We had a midget on the PD.
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And midgets too.  Dear lord, I'd like to see a chinese fire drill with an all midget crew.

We had a midget on the PD.

Yep I think she got fired over a domestic with her girlfriend. Seems she used to get short with people all the time...
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 1:01:56 PM EDT
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Yep I think she got fired over a domestic with her girlfriend. Seems she used to get short with people all the time...
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And midgets too.  Dear lord, I'd like to see a chinese fire drill with an all midget crew.

We had a midget on the PD.

Yep I think she got fired over a domestic with her girlfriend. Seems she used to get short with people all the time...

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Yep I think she got fired over a domestic with her girlfriend. Seems she used to get short with people all the time...
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And midgets too.  Dear lord, I'd like to see a chinese fire drill with an all midget crew.

We had a midget on the PD.

Yep I think she got fired over a domestic with her girlfriend. Seems she used to get short with people all the time...


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We have lost 50% in academies. That is without any affirmative action based hiring. The only extra points go for vets.
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Why would they care if you can heal sick/injured animals?


I guess maybe for all the "cat in tree" rescue calls?



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Funny, that phenomenon has happened around here a few times.
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You watch.  The courts will force them to lower their acadamy standards.

No, they will keep the standards but the city will tell their instructors to pass them even though they didn't meet them.
Just like all the people in my police academy class who dropped out of every run, couldn't do the obstacle course, etc who then miraculously passed on the final try while the rest of us were told to wait outside the gym in the hallway.

Funny, that phenomenon has happened around here a few times.


Happened in my academy class with the two broads, who also failed marksmanship, pursuit driving, and subject control. And guess which two of 20 graduates got hired IMMEDIATELY.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 1:11:05 PM EDT
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Not allowing blind people to be Airline Pilots is discriminatory !!!





The Ol' Crew Chief
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 1:20:15 PM EDT
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I ROST!!!!!!!!!
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Happened in my academy class with the two broads, who also failed marksmanship, pursuit driving, and subject control. And guess which two of 20 graduates got hired IMMEDIATELY.
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You watch.  The courts will force them to lower their acadamy standards.

No, they will keep the standards but the city will tell their instructors to pass them even though they didn't meet them.
Just like all the people in my police academy class who dropped out of every run, couldn't do the obstacle course, etc who then miraculously passed on the final try while the rest of us were told to wait outside the gym in the hallway.

Funny, that phenomenon has happened around here a few times.


Happened in my academy class with the two broads, who also failed marksmanship, pursuit driving, and subject control. And guess which two of 20 graduates got hired IMMEDIATELY.

The chick next to me in my academy class used to close her eyes and look away every time she fired her gun.

She was there on graduation day, just like the rest of us.
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The chick next to me in my academy class used to close her eyes and look away every time she fired her gun.

She was there on graduation day, just like the rest of us.
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The best is when they put their thumb behind the slide like they're shooting a revolver (even though they've already been told 100 times not to).  
Can't follow instructions, blood everywhere, still gets to try again, still gets to graduate.

Or the one who drove off the high speed pursuit course into the woods instead of slowing down to make the turn...
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I'm curious how you "too strictly enforce" a run time.

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He said physical demands, such as running a mile and a half in 12 minutes, are too strictly enforced and said probies who show steady improvement are still being weeded out.




Seriously? They were gifted a spot, now they want more time on the run too? Unfuckingbelievable.


I'm curious how you "too strictly enforce" a run time.

You either make the run in the required time, or you don't.


Link Posted: 10/14/2013 2:00:10 PM EDT
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Unqualified people don't make good firefighters?

Link Posted: 10/14/2013 2:10:49 PM EDT
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several years ago I was trying to get on with the fire dept. in my city.  I did very well on the physical tests, written test, and interview board (I had friends in the dept. and they let me know how I ranked).  I was making my plans at their instruction to get ready for the academy and at the last minute, the mayor stepped in and did the hiring b/c of bitching and griping from leaders of the community.  I got bumped out along with several others.  That particular class only lasted about three weeks before they shut the whole thing down due to so many dropping out or not being able to do the tasks given to them.  After that the mayor said "fuck it" and let the dept. have control of the hiring again.
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No, they will keep the standards but the city will tell their instructors to pass them even though they didn't meet them.

Just like all the people in my police academy class who dropped out of every run, couldn't do the obstacle course, etc who then miraculously passed on the final try while the rest of us were told to wait outside the gym in the hallway.
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You watch.  The courts will force them to lower their acadamy standards.


No, they will keep the standards but the city will tell their instructors to pass them even though they didn't meet them.

Just like all the people in my police academy class who dropped out of every run, couldn't do the obstacle course, etc who then miraculously passed on the final try while the rest of us were told to wait outside the gym in the hallway.




 
Same thing when I was in boot camp in 1999. 7 out of the 9 women in my company couldn't pass the run, the CC took them by themselves the next day and they all improved their run times by several minutes that day.
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No, they will keep the standards but the city will tell their instructors to pass them even though they didn't meet them.
Just like all the people in my police academy class who dropped out of every run, couldn't do the obstacle course, etc who then miraculously passed on the final try while the rest of us were told to wait outside the gym in the hallway.
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You watch.  The courts will force them to lower their acadamy standards.

No, they will keep the standards but the city will tell their instructors to pass them even though they didn't meet them.
Just like all the people in my police academy class who dropped out of every run, couldn't do the obstacle course, etc who then miraculously passed on the final try while the rest of us were told to wait outside the gym in the hallway.

That's exactly what they will do, and what they have ALWAYS done. The public would be shocked to hear that many officers who are on the streets did not actually meet all the standards.
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We had a midget on the PD.
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And midgets too.  Dear lord, I'd like to see a chinese fire drill with an all midget crew.

We had a midget on the PD.

lol I remember her, she was a lesbian dwarf with a Mohawk
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 2:25:04 PM EDT
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We had a midget on the PD.

Tunnel rat?
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  Same thing when I was in boot camp in 1999. 7 out of the 9 women in my company couldn't pass the run, the CC took them by themselves the next day and they all improved their run times by several minutes that day.
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You watch.  The courts will force them to lower their acadamy standards.

No, they will keep the standards but the city will tell their instructors to pass them even though they didn't meet them.
Just like all the people in my police academy class who dropped out of every run, couldn't do the obstacle course, etc who then miraculously passed on the final try while the rest of us were told to wait outside the gym in the hallway.

  Same thing when I was in boot camp in 1999. 7 out of the 9 women in my company couldn't pass the run, the CC took them by themselves the next day and they all improved their run times by several minutes that day.

At least when it comes to civil service, some people simply can't fail.
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We had a midget on the PD.
Oh come on  

Surely you don't think that he's kidding?
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A midget? I understand nyc is crazy but a midget cop? how would he pass any of the physical tests, like running, or get through classes on arresting people?  
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We had a midget on the PD.
Oh come on  

Surely you don't think that he's kidding?
A midget? I understand nyc is crazy but a midget cop? how would he pass any of the physical tests, like running, or get through classes on arresting people?  


I assume you missed the rest of this thread which contained a very lengthy discussion about people failing to meet the standards for PD, FF, Boot Camp, etc. and still passing the course. Not hard to believe a midget would make it because someone didn't want to offend his little feelings.
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Where are the fucking trophies for everyone? HMMMMMM?
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A midget? I understand nyc is crazy but a midget cop? how would he pass any of the physical tests, like running, or get through classes on arresting people?  
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And midgets too.  Dear lord, I'd like to see a chinese fire drill with an all midget crew.

We had a midget on the PD.
Oh come on  

Surely you don't think that he's kidding?
A midget? I understand nyc is crazy but a midget cop? how would he pass any of the physical tests, like running, or get through classes on arresting people?  

Actually, it makes perfect sense. You don't want your cops looking down on the public.
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