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Posted: 6/17/2014 4:26:48 PM EST
The United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit has ruled against terrorism suspect Adel Daoud, saying that he and his attorneys cannot access the evidence gathered against him. The Monday ruling overturns an earlier lower district court ruling that had allowed Daoud and his lawyers to review the legality of digital surveillance warrants used against him.

In May 2012, Daoud, an American citizen, was arrested in Chicago after having orchestrated the bombing of a downtown bar. However, the bomb was a dud, provided by FBI handlers who encountered his postings online.

In a December 2012 session of the US Senate, Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA) cited Daoud’s case (although not by name) as an example (PDF) illustrating why her colleagues should support renewing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). That piece of legislation contains the controversial Section 702, which provides the legal authority that the National Security Agency uses as the basis for Prism and other surveillance and data collection programs.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/court-terror-suspect-cant-get-nsa-evidence-gathered-against-him/
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Well would you look at that, the most transparent administration in history, hiding behind secret evidence, against an American citizen, in one of many false flag they've perpetrated. - TS

Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:34:07 PM EST
Not sure about false flag... but it is interesting that the government claims they can deny discovery of the convicting evidence.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:34:35 PM EST
Sounds like the movie I just saw Closed Circuit, were secret evidence could not be seen by the plaintiff.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:37:35 PM EST
Has this sort of shit ever *not* led to government death squads and people getting disappeared?
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:38:29 PM EST
Judge is wrong.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:39:31 PM EST
lol
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:43:11 PM EST
Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:48:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Strykewolf:

Judge is wrong.
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Cite?
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Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
Absolute horseshit. This ruling is a travesty.
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yep

he was probably a bad guy, but this has bigger implications. Who's next?
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:01:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:

Judge is wrong.

Cite?

This
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:02:38 PM EST
Judge is a tyrant.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:07:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
Absolute horseshit. This ruling is a travesty.
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Originally Posted By fxntime:
Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it.
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I agree

I'm thinking it has something to do with the gathering of the evidence. Wasn't there a thread here about how evidence for cases was being sterilized. Not by content but by source. To protect whoever gathered the evidence.

Maybe an ongoing undercover op.

Or some illegal method of intelligence gathering.
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Originally Posted By sysops666:


I agree

I'm thinking it has something to do with the gathering of the evidence. Wasn't there a thread here about how evidence for cases was being sterilized. Not by content but by source. To protect whoever gathered the evidence.

Maybe an ongoing undercover op.

Or some illegal method of intelligence gathering.
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Originally Posted By sysops666:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it.


I agree

I'm thinking it has something to do with the gathering of the evidence. Wasn't there a thread here about how evidence for cases was being sterilized. Not by content but by source. To protect whoever gathered the evidence.

Maybe an ongoing undercover op.

Or some illegal method of intelligence gathering.

Just some good federal agents lying to the courts. You know, like they do in a free country.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:12:16 PM EST
Secret courts, secret juries, secret evidence.

Hmmm, where have we heard this all before?
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:18:34 PM EST
What.The.Fuck....

Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:20:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fxntime:
Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it.
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You mean you would Serve on a Jury? You wouldn't try to get out of it like so many other Arcomers!

Hell just cooled down a bit.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
What.The.Fuck....

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you're next, comrade
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:23:09 PM EST
This is starting to remind me of "V for Vendetta"
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Originally Posted By HarryStone:
Has this sort of shit ever *not* led to government death squads and people getting disappeared?
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I don't think so. Tough to prove a negative, but it's a very slippery slope.
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Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
Absolute horseshit. This ruling is a travesty.
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In a rapidly growing line.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:29:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:

This
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:

Judge is wrong.

Cite?

This

Wait, is he talking about the presiding judge in this case or The Judge(tm)?
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:35:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:

Wait, is he talking about the presiding judge in this case or The Judge(tm)?
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Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:
Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:

Judge is wrong.

Cite?

This

Wait, is he talking about the presiding judge in this case or The Judge(tm)?


The presiding one.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:52:35 PM EST
ALL OF THE ABOVE.
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Originally Posted By Strykewolf:

The presiding one.
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Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:
Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:

Judge is wrong.

Cite?

This

Wait, is he talking about the presiding judge in this case or The Judge(tm)?

The presiding one.

Rock on then dude.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 6:34:52 PM EST
Well, why have a trial at all?

Was the verdict written in advance of the first hearing?
Link Posted: 6/18/2014 3:54:07 PM EST
Secret evidence? Why not secret witnesses, a secret verdict and a secret sentence?

Fuck it, just have the police kill him when they find him. Avoid all this messy paperwork.
Link Posted: 6/18/2014 3:56:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fxntime:
Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it.
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You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:


You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it.


You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on.


It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded.

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Originally Posted By kozaki:


It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded.

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Originally Posted By kozaki:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it.


You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on.


It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded.


But...but...terror.
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:

But...but...terror.
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By kozaki:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it.


You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on.


It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded.


But...but...terror.


Yep.

If not terror, then there's the govt.
Link Posted: 6/18/2014 4:38:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:

Cite?
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Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter:
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:

Judge is wrong.

Cite?

The constitution.
Link Posted: 6/18/2014 4:40:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
Secret evidence? Why not secret witnesses, a secret verdict and a secret sentence?

Fuck it, just have the police kill him when they find him. Avoid all this messy paperwork.
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I have bad news for you.

We've already seen secret verdicts, witnesses, and sentences.
Link Posted: 6/18/2014 4:44:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Judge is wrong.
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He normally is.


NM , misunderstood
Link Posted: 6/18/2014 4:44:43 PM EST
Not quite false flag... but when they go around trolling the internet for pissed off people to give fake bombs to, it comes pretty close.


Honestly, whose idea was it to actually do anything? This guy or his fake co-conspirator? I suspect the latter.
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What is the point of holding a trial if the defendant can't have the evidence?


Just declare him guilty and ship to GITMO.


Kangaroo courts. Top to bottom.
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Originally Posted By HarryStone:
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Nope.

Maybe go buy some pepper, you already have the other prerequisite....
Link Posted: 6/18/2014 4:51:59 PM EST
tick....tick....tick....tick....



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Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
Secret evidence? Why not secret witnesses, a secret verdict and a secret sentence?

Fuck it, just have the police kill him when they find him. Avoid all this messy paperwork.
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We're probably not that far from most of that now.
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:

But...but...terror.
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By kozaki:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it.


You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on.


It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded.


But...but...terror.


Yep.

Everyone is fine with it being done to "occutards" or "terrorists" then when someone like BHO uses it against someone on "the Right" it is the end of the world for people here. lol
Link Posted: 6/18/2014 4:59:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By gotigers:


yep

he was probably a bad guy, but this has bigger implications. Who's next?
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Originally Posted By gotigers:
Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
Absolute horseshit. This ruling is a travesty.


yep

he was probably a bad guy, but this has bigger implications. Who's next?



The constitution applies to bad Americans as well .
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Originally Posted By mp9fan:
Not sure about false flag... but it is interesting that the government claims they can deny discovery of the convicting evidence.
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That's not the situation.

Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case.

Link Posted: 6/18/2014 5:00:51 PM EST
Stalin would be proud .
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:

But...but...terror.
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By kozaki:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it.


You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on.


It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded.


But...but...terror.

Yup. Eerily similar to McCarthyism too - just replace communist with terrorist. They are terrorists because the gov't said so, and no, you can't see the evidence...it's a secret.
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Originally Posted By FedDC:

That's not the situation.

Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case.
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Originally Posted By FedDC:
Originally Posted By mp9fan:

Not sure about false flag... but it is interesting that the government claims they can deny discovery of the convicting evidence.

That's not the situation.

Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case.

Okay, now it's a party.
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Originally Posted By FedDC:



That's not the situation.

Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case.

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Originally Posted By FedDC:
Originally Posted By mp9fan:
Not sure about false flag... but it is interesting that the government claims they can deny discovery of the convicting evidence.



That's not the situation.

Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case.



... And I'm certain that it wasn't a contributing factor to building the case against the guy. Bad guy or not, "off the record" or not...

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That's not the situation.

Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case.

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Originally Posted By FedDC:
Originally Posted By mp9fan:
Not sure about false flag... but it is interesting that the government claims they can deny discovery of the convicting evidence.



That's not the situation.

Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case.




Yea but this evidence was probably used as a basis for a warrant . I am sure an officer has never lied to get a warrant or fabricated evidence



<<<<<<< Had house raided in 93 due to a cop fabricating a story and lying to get a warrant , charges were crap and dropped, no trial . Cost me a lot of lawyer money just the same . The officer did a whole string of these and was promoted
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Originally Posted By marksman121:


Yep.

Everyone is fine with it being done to "occutards" or "terrorists" then when someone like BHO uses it against someone on "the Right" it is the end of the world for people here. lol
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By kozaki:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it.


You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on.


It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded.


But...but...terror.


Yep.

Everyone is fine with it being done to "occutards" or "terrorists" then when someone like BHO uses it against someone on "the Right" it is the end of the world for people here. lol


Jesus what is with the butthurt, I never said what the government was doing was okay because of who they did it to. The article never mentioned a sort of relative fact to cover for the left's violent nature and I get jumped on for bringing it up?
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Originally Posted By mp9fan:
Not sure about false flag... but it is interesting that the government claims they can deny discovery of the convicting evidence.
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This. So much this.
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