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Posted: 12/22/2005 11:20:47 AM EDT
OK, we all know how much things suck around here with trying to own a machinegun and 3 days waits for handguns and so on. But are there any countries where overall gun ownership is even easier for the average citizen? Not to mention ammo, guns in any caliber, sheer numbers of guns and despite being kind of a hassle, DD's and other goodies? Now I know in some countries suppressors are an over-the-counter thing and in others you get to keep your military rifle handy but we are talking overall. Oh, yeah, it has to be a country where someone would want to live. I think in some Arab countries a citizen can walk to the market and buy just about anything and the same goes for Somalia so we are talking some place that is somewhat westernized. Like I know you can buy hand grenades and HK's in Afganistan and Pakistan but not sure if it is technically legal and I sure as hell don't want to live there.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 11:23:15 AM EDT
Switzerland.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 11:50:27 AM EDT
Israel
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 11:52:15 AM EDT
Somalia
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 11:53:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2005 11:53:54 AM EDT by NCPatrolAR]
Various African nations
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 11:55:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
Israel



I didn't think civvies were allowed to own guns in Isreal, unless they were settlers?
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 11:56:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2005 11:56:30 AM EDT by mjohn3006]

Originally Posted By crazyquik:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
Israel



I didn't think civvies were allowed to own guns in Isreal, unless they were settlers?



Everyone must join the military I think.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 11:56:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sukebe:
Somalia

Link Posted: 12/22/2005 11:56:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By IDK:
snip..............3 days waits for handguns and so on..........



Not where I live.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 11:57:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2005 12:00:01 PM EDT by StealthyBlagga]
News for you: the US is about as good as it gets. Switzerland is drifting slowly towards more controls (especially if they want to get into the EU). Countries like Israel have licensing, and you know that as soon as things become safer (if they ever do) that they will institute tight gun control. Some other countries have better access to MGs and AWs than us (no silly "sporting purpose" clauses). Of course, the more "third world" a place gets, the less law in general and the less "civilized" they are. However, we are the only ones with the 2nd Amendment and such a strong NRA that provides at least some sliver of protection... everywhere else is just one new report from losing everything.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:04:01 PM EDT
Yeah, Switzerland until recently was the undisputed king but after perusing their laws, they seem about on par with us. Some cantons it's easier than others, MG's need a permit, permit for CCW and so on. Probably about as good as it gets in the EU though.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:05:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By IDK:
Yeah, Switzerland until recently was the undisputed king but after perusing their laws, they seem about on par with us. Some cantons it's easier than others, MG's need a permit, permit for CCW and so on. Probably about as good as it gets in the EU though.



They arent in the EU yet, but if they want to enter, then it will be byebye to the MGs etc... EU has to "harmonize" such laws.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:08:37 PM EDT
Finland is supposed to be pretty good.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:16:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:17:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2005 12:18:57 PM EDT by Alacrity]
Overall - none I am aware of.

Believe it or not Bolivia is not bad. The election of Morales may impact that. Central and South America are not as bad for gun owners as some may think. Lotta IPSC shooter's outta there - the skills a little more pressing there than here tho.

As far a statutory requirements. Think Finland, Switzerland, Isreal, Bolivia are the short list. As pointed out above, benign neglect occurs in many parts (readd: remote third world) of the world, purely due to a lack of enforcement mechanism. But the laws are often quite strict if you are caught (dont take a pistol to most countries in Africa).

I will add, in many places, if you have enough money and the right political connections, the laws have little meaning.

Luck
Alac
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:18:04 PM EDT
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=415322
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:19:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
Israel



Hell NO!!!! Try the JPFO website.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:21:35 PM EDT
For a livable country that is not in complete annarchy U.S. is as good as it gets.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:26:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:
For a livable country that is not in complete annarchy U.S. is as good as it gets.



So there is no fallback position?


HOLD THE LINE!
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:27:33 PM EDT
Iraqis can have one gun per household or some such. I don't think there are restrictions on what kind of gun.

Someone can correct me on the details...
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:41:44 PM EDT
Texas!
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:48:06 PM EDT
Sweden, Norway, Brazil, and Thailand if you are connected. The fun part about so many 3rd World shitholes is that money buys you whatever you want, to include freedom. You pay off the cops, you can have whatever you want.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 12:49:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:
Iraqis can have one gun per household or some such. I don't think there are restrictions on what kind of gun.

Someone can correct me on the details...



Under Saddaam every man was required/supposed to keep 1 AK so they could muster for militia/conscription service. I do not think thier police enforce any gun laws if they even have them.
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