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Posted: 11/28/2007 1:01:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/28/2007 1:01:54 PM EDT by 1911greg]
I am getting fairly close to getting hired as a correctional officer with a few different agencies right now. I have been checking out a few of the facilities and talking with CO's, many of them have stated the training is often not as good as you would expect.

any thoughts about this?

Seeing the prisoners work out really makes you think especially when you see out of shape CO's...

anyways my question would you recommend any type of self defense training? It seems like the biggest threat would be from a edged weapon?

I am in pretty good shape, a little on the lean side (6'1/190lbs) because of all the cardio in the Army. So i am also trying to add some bulk because I am guessing strength will go alot farther in a prison than being able to run 5 miles in 36 minutes like i was previously training for...

overall i am feeling pretty excited about corrections!
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:06:51 PM EDT
It's usually crap. Useless, minimal state-mandated crap. Even the so-called advanced stuff is mostly joint locks, come-alongs, and junk like that. It works great on a compliant test dummy though.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:12:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bcw107:
It's usually crap. Useless, minimal state-mandated crap. Even the so-called advanced stuff is mostly joint locks, come-alongs, and junk like that. It works great on a compliant test dummy though.


So what do you guys do to protect yourself? Or is it rare for the cons to go after CO's?
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:13:52 PM EDT
I applied for a position as a Correctional officer but they only paid 7.37 an hr, wtf?
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:13:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/28/2007 1:16:10 PM EDT by weptek911]
Google Dr. Bruce Siddle and PPCT Power Point Pessure Control Tactics. It's awsome. That's what we use in Michigan.
Link
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:15:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shawn21:
I applied for a position as a Correctional officer but they only paid 7.37 an hr, wtf?


in CA the money can be pretty good, lots of OT.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:17:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/28/2007 1:18:04 PM EDT by bcw107]

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By bcw107:
It's usually crap. Useless, minimal state-mandated crap. Even the so-called advanced stuff is mostly joint locks, come-alongs, and junk like that. It works great on a compliant test dummy though.


So what do you guys do to protect yourself? Or is it rare for the cons to go after CO's?


Fortunately rare. Fortunately I haven't worked as a CO for 6 years. I was promoted to sergeant in 2001 and transferred to range three years ago. Someone above mentions PPCT. If it works for you, great; it's what we "train" with (I use that term very loosely). I've never seen it work on a combative inmate in a one on one situation. It's just like any other fight-barroom bar style with lots of rolling on the floors until the cavalry arrives.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:19:36 PM EDT
When my dad worked in the jail he got really into Judo, said the one time he used it the guy looked like this
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:20:47 PM EDT

So what do you guys do to protect yourself?


You become a good communicator and hope for the best. Safety is in numbers in a jail or prison. Follow the rules, follow the law, enforce the rules fairly. You do that and 99% of the inmates will not mess with you. If you are a Dog the Bounty Hunter type or have some kind of Napolean complex expect to have a short painful career.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:21:33 PM EDT
Someone much smarter than me gave me some good advice a year or two ago: Find an art that appeals to you, and study the shit out of it. Study it for several years and achieve a competance level that will give you experience and technique.

In a fight you should have a plan A, a plan B, a plan C, and a plan D...e...f.... and you should be good at ALL of them. Any art that you have ingrained into your body and mind which will allow you to bring devestating aggressiveness and control to a fight will make you win.

Add mindset onto that, and you have trained yourself to be a warrior that will never give up.

I personally have been training in Kali and Silat. Kali gives me excellent weapon skills with knives and sticks (think baton) and Silat gives me excellent skills in joint control, throws, breaks, and other deadly force manuevers.

Now all I need to do is practice them a few thousand times...

Doc
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:21:36 PM EDT
Take Judo and see if they will concentrate on the holds and ground fighting for you.

Most of the time when you have to go hands on with someone your ultimate goal is to get control over them in order to cuff them. Judo can help with that.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:23:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bcw107:

So what do you guys do to protect yourself?


You become a good communicator and hope for the best. Safety is in numbers in a jail or prison. Follow the rules, follow the law, enforce the rules fairly. You do that and 99% of the inmates will not mess with you. If you are a Dog the Bounty Hunter type or have some kind of Napolean complex expect to have a short painful career.


Wow. I don't know where you worked, but in central texas we have several units with 2 CO's to 50 inmates. You better know how to handle yourself or you are going to get your shit pushed in.

You should shit in one hand and "hope" in the other and see which one fills faster.

There are men out there training every day to kill you. Are you training as well or are you "hoping"?

Doc
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:24:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:26:04 PM EDT
Self defense is um... not a priority for prison staff.

You're outnumbered 200:1 at any given time. The only reason inmates dont take over is because they dont coordinate and actually try and they're institutionalized into being contained.

Your best bet is to practice patience and tact and defusing situations. Being in shape is good, but learning Ninjitsu wont really do anything for you.

Most of all, be professional, be fair and be consistent. Dont be moody or have radically different styles of policing from day to day. Those people like routine.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:29:08 PM EDT
Unless Ca. pays so well that you just can't pass it up, find another line of work. Seriously.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:37:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoctorNo:


Wow. I don't know where you worked, but in central texas we have several units with 2 CO's to 50 inmates. You better know how to handle yourself or you are going to get your shit pushed in.


Doc


Well this is another question, i dont care who you are 2 on 50 isn't good odds, hell 4 on 2 is horrible odds.

what do you mean by handle yourself, mentally, physically??

if they want you dead, you are way out numbered...
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:38:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NorCal_LEO:
Krav Maga


I would like to get into this. Some good videos on youtube too.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:38:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By weptek911:
Google Dr. Bruce Siddle and PPCT Power Point Pessure Control Tactics. It's awsome. That's what we use in Michigan.
Link


You should run very fast and very far away from PPCT. So little of that material works it isnt even funny.

Good program for COs would probably include a mix of Judo, Brazilian JiuJitsu, and something along the lines of Hock Hocheim's material
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:38:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/28/2007 1:44:02 PM EDT by southlak9cop]
Most departments either use the previously mentioned PPCT system, or the Monadnock system "MDTS" (I'm an instructor...in that and the PR24 and expandable baton).

None of which is going to make you into Walker, Texas Ranger. That said, I have over 12 years of training mixed between (shotokan, taekwondo, and hapkido). I got out when I was 20.

Learning krav maga or some other martial art may make you safer and get you home...but the catch is as a CO or LEO you can and will get sued for just about anything. For example: You have an issue with an inmate, nothing life threatening, he's just acting up and you gotta get control and escort him to lockdown. The situation falls to where you have no choice but to go hands on because backup is a pod/block or two away. You revert to your (insert martial art here) training instead of the training that you were given once at the beginning and recertify in annually or bi annually. You injure the inmate in some way and it is proven that you used judo/krav maga/aikido/hapkido/jiujitsu/ninjitsu/whoflungpoo on him instead of PPCT/MDTS to get him into compliance. BAM, down goes the gavel and you lose the suit...all because you didn't use the system you were trained and certified in.

Don't get me wrong, both systems are great and have their strong points, but against a good street fighter? Pack a lunch (and a X26). Being level headed and fair is going to get you further than anything else in a correctional facility. Most inmates will respect that you are doing your job, as long as you don't go in there trying to make a change. If administration overlooks a minor infraction, and has been for a while, don't go in and start nailing inmates on it "just because you can" a street cop doesn't get respect that way and neither will you. Don't let them play you, but don't be a dick either. Every day is the same on the inside, don't be the rock that causes ripples.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:38:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By galogger:
Unless Ca. pays so well that you just can't pass it up, find another line of work. Seriously.


I have a friend who supposedly made 90k his second year.

they are hiring like crazy and I think it would be a good entry level LE job.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:38:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoctorNo:

Originally Posted By bcw107:

So what do you guys do to protect yourself?


You become a good communicator and hope for the best. Safety is in numbers in a jail or prison. Follow the rules, follow the law, enforce the rules fairly. You do that and 99% of the inmates will not mess with you. If you are a Dog the Bounty Hunter type or have some kind of Napolean complex expect to have a short painful career.


Wow. I don't know where you worked, but in central texas we have several units with 2 CO's to 50 inmates. You better know how to handle yourself or you are going to get your shit pushed in.

You should shit in one hand and "hope" in the other and see which one fills faster.

There are men out there training every day to kill you. Are you training as well or are you "hoping"?

Doc


Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:41:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By galogger:
Unless Ca. pays so well that you just can't pass it up, find another line of work. Seriously.


I have a friend who supposedly made 90k his second year.

they are hiring like crazy and I think it would be a good entry level LE job.


I've always viewed CO and DO work as the blackhole of law enforcement.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:42:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shawn21:
I applied for a position as a Correctional officer but they only paid 7.37 an hr, wtf?



What would you be correcting, might I ask?????
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:46:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By galogger:
Unless Ca. pays so well that you just can't pass it up, find another line of work. Seriously.


I have a friend who supposedly made 90k his second year.

they are hiring like crazy and I think it would be a good entry level LE job.
I saw a lot of guys who used it to get a foot in the door with the State Patrol. If that is your goal, go for it. I have been out of it for a long time, but the pay was no where near 90K when I did it, of course, this is Georgia.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:48:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By galogger:
Unless Ca. pays so well that you just can't pass it up, find another line of work. Seriously.


I have a friend who supposedly made 90k his second year.

they are hiring like crazy and I think it would be a good entry level LE job.


Ask to see a tax statement. Only way that happened is if he worked damn near every day pulling in some crazy OT. I don't think that happened anywhere here in the US. Unless he works at the facility that has Jimmy Hoffa locked up.

What kind of law enforcement career are you looking into? A lot of places don't count CO work as prior law enforcement...you may want to look at the requirements of places you think you may want to apply to in the future. Hell, some places don't count patrol work. The only count the time you were in a full time investigative position (detective).



Link Posted: 11/28/2007 1:56:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By southlak9cop:
Ask to see a tax statement. Only way that happened is if he worked damn near every day pulling in some crazy OT. I don't think that happened anywhere here in the US. Unless he works at the facility that has Jimmy Hoffa locked up.



On the web they advertise 70k? I have also read a few articles about how many officers are making over 100k?

I really dont know, but the word on the street is the pay is very good.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 2:03:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/28/2007 2:05:46 PM EDT by Mudzilla]

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I am getting fairly close to getting hired as a correctional officer with a few different agencies right now. I have been checking out a few of the facilities and talking with CO's, many of them have stated the training is often not as good as you would expect.

any thoughts about this?

Seeing the prisoners work out really makes you think especially when you see out of shape CO's...

anyways my question would you recommend any type of self defense training? It seems like the biggest threat would be from a edged weapon?

I am in pretty good shape, a little on the lean side (6'1/190lbs) because of all the cardio in the Army. So i am also trying to add some bulk because I am guessing strength will go alot farther in a prison than being able to run 5 miles in 36 minutes like i was previously training for...

overall i am feeling pretty excited about corrections!


hey me too!, im going to an interview tomorrow for corrections officer. its a maximum security prison and the starting pay is $15 dollars an hour. im just looking forword to those state benefits

also my father knows a guy that has a taequando(sp?) class, so i will be taking that so he can teach me some basic shit.

who knows, maybe i will get to taze somebody
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 2:05:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By shawn21:
I applied for a position as a Correctional officer but they only paid 7.37 an hr, wtf?



What would you be correcting, might I ask?????


Adjustment Center- medium security
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 2:09:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mudzilla:

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I am getting fairly close to getting hired as a correctional officer with a few different agencies right now. I have been checking out a few of the facilities and talking with CO's, many of them have stated the training is often not as good as you would expect.

any thoughts about this?

Seeing the prisoners work out really makes you think especially when you see out of shape CO's...

anyways my question would you recommend any type of self defense training? It seems like the biggest threat would be from a edged weapon?

I am in pretty good shape, a little on the lean side (6'1/190lbs) because of all the cardio in the Army. So i am also trying to add some bulk because I am guessing strength will go alot farther in a prison than being able to run 5 miles in 36 minutes like i was previously training for...

overall i am feeling pretty excited about corrections!


hey me too!, im going to an interview tomorrow for corrections officer. its a maximum security prison and the starting pay is $15 dollars an hour. im just looking forword to those state benefits

also my father knows a guy that has TaeKwonDo class, so i will be taking that so he can teach me some basic shit.

who knows, maybe i will get to taze somebody


I hope you guys the best. But remember, you will be working for a government entity. What they say and what they do are normally two different things. My department's website lists the starting salary as over 50k. If you look at the fine print, they include things like the cost of gas you are saving by driving a take home unit back and forth to work, maintenance cost on a car, insurance on a car for a year, etc. Gotta watch out!
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 2:16:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shawn21:

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By shawn21:
I applied for a position as a Correctional officer but they only paid 7.37 an hr, wtf?



What would you be correcting, might I ask?????


Adjustment Center- medium security



No, not where would you be working, but what would you be "correcting"?????
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 2:22:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bcw107:

Originally Posted By DoctorNo:

Originally Posted By bcw107:

So what do you guys do to protect yourself?


You become a good communicator and hope for the best. Safety is in numbers in a jail or prison. Follow the rules, follow the law, enforce the rules fairly. You do that and 99% of the inmates will not mess with you. If you are a Dog the Bounty Hunter type or have some kind of Napolean complex expect to have a short painful career.


Wow. I don't know where you worked, but in central texas we have several units with 2 CO's to 50 inmates. You better know how to handle yourself or you are going to get your shit pushed in.

You should shit in one hand and "hope" in the other and see which one fills faster.

There are men out there training every day to kill you. Are you training as well or are you "hoping"?

Doc


Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
You sound skeptical. I worked at a level 6 High Max Prison with it's own hospital and mental health facilities. We had a lot of Use of Force incidents. Not sure where you work, worked, but they are not all the same.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 2:27:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 2:34:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Striker:
I love "scooping" the muscle necks..they have zero flexibility and pressure point moves and pain compliance holds work very well on them.


To add to this, one of my defensive tactics instructors said that one of the easiest types to take down are the bulked up guys who plant their feet, flex their arms at their sides, and stand facing directly at you. He said it's the one who are constantly moving, swooping, and have their hands in a raised position of readiness that you have to worry about
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 2:45:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By galogger:
Unless Ca. pays so well that you just can't pass it up, find another line of work. Seriously.


I have a friend who supposedly made 90k his second year.

they are hiring like crazy and I think it would be a good entry level LE job.


I've always viewed CO and DO work as the blackhole of law enforcement.


just curious, why?
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 2:48:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/28/2007 2:51:11 PM EDT by Current-Resident]

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By galogger:
Unless Ca. pays so well that you just can't pass it up, find another line of work. Seriously.


I have a friend who supposedly made 90k his second year.

they are hiring like crazy and I think it would be a good entry level LE job.


I've always viewed CO and DO work as the blackhole of law enforcement.


just curious, why?


Cops tended to look down on us unless we actually had an inmate with us at the hospital or were retrieving one from their jail or were on an escape. (because they didnt want anything to do with the inmate... it was like they were tainted or diseased)

Everyone in society, including other government agents, want to pretend like prisons dont exist and that blanket gets thrown onto those that work in prisons.

No one likes to acknowledge their existence and those who work at them get a stigma attached to them like detectives who work sex crimes get a certain taint on them where fellow officers look at them like they must be similar to the people they work at catching.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 2:58:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Current-Resident:

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By galogger:
Unless Ca. pays so well that you just can't pass it up, find another line of work. Seriously.


I have a friend who supposedly made 90k his second year.

they are hiring like crazy and I think it would be a good entry level LE job.


I've always viewed CO and DO work as the blackhole of law enforcement.


just curious, why?


Cops tended to look down on us unless we actually had an inmate with us at the hospital or were retrieving one from their jail or were on an escape. (because they didnt want anything to do with the inmate... it was like they were tainted or diseased)

Everyone in society, including other government agents, want to pretend like prisons dont exist and that blanket gets thrown onto those that work in prisons.

No one likes to acknowledge their existence and those who work at them get a stigma attached to them like detectives who work sex crimes get a certain taint on them where fellow officers look at them like they must be similar to the people they work at catching.


yeah i have noticed the "stigma"
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 3:13:05 PM EDT
Stigma aside, I think working as a Corrections Officer for 3.5 years in a Maximum Security facility helped me glean good insight into the workings and machinations of the Criminal Justice System(sic) in North Carolina and I feel like I have a good idea of how things work, dont work, and reasons why I do what I do and others do as they do.

I personally feel that it's a good background to have before becoming a police officer because you can better understand the results of your actions and understand the nuances of the mindset of criminals better if you know where they come from and where they breed (figuratively speaking, of course).

If you're wanting to be a police officer eventually I also recommend a year or two of law school, believe it or not. The first year of Law School focuses a great deal on the effective manipulation of court procedure and testimony and will make your preparation for court almost perfect and you'll be a much more solid officer than John Q. Officer because you'll have almost no cases thrown out due to procedural error or shaky investigation/processing.

Just my perspective. It helps to be well-rounded in today's policing.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 3:13:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By weptek911:
Google Dr. Bruce Siddle and PPCT Power Point Pessure Control Tactics. It's awsome. That's what we use in Michigan.
Link


Same here.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 5:23:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
just curious, why?


No real advancement outside of working in a prison/jail. I'll readily admit those guys are doing something that I wouldn't do.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 7:43:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
just curious, why?


No real advancement outside of working in a prison/jail. I'll readily admit those guys are doing something that I wouldn't do.


Wouldn't it be an advantage if someone wanted to become a patrol officer?
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 7:46:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By weptek911:
Google Dr. Bruce Siddle and PPCT Power Point Pessure Control Tactics. It's awsome. That's what we use in Michigan.
Link


You should run very fast and very far away from PPCT. So little of that material works it isnt even funny.

Good program for COs would probably include a mix of Judo, Brazilian JiuJitsu, and something along the lines of Hock Hocheim's material



PPCT is sh@t. What is suggested above would be a good choice, especially the Brazilian Jiujitsu.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 7:50:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jb241970:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By weptek911:
Google Dr. Bruce Siddle and PPCT Power Point Pessure Control Tactics. It's awsome. That's what we use in Michigan.
Link


You should run very fast and very far away from PPCT. So little of that material works it isnt even funny.

Good program for COs would probably include a mix of Judo, Brazilian JiuJitsu, and something along the lines of Hock Hocheim's material



PPCT is sh@t. What is suggested above would be a good choice, especially the Brazilian Jiujitsu.


PPCT is well marketed crap that agency administrators can keep on file as self defense "training". Worthless crap.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 7:51:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Wouldn't it be an advantage if someone wanted to become a patrol officer?


Perhaps. I would think it'd be better to just get out there and start doing police work if that is what you wanted to do. You'd be hell on suspects when you searched them though if you came from a DO background.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 7:58:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
just curious, why?


No real advancement outside of working in a prison/jail. I'll readily admit those guys are doing something that I wouldn't do.


Wouldn't it be an advantage if someone wanted to become a patrol officer?


Pretty doubtful. I don't know of any departments that recognize jailer time as "experience". You might find a county sheriff's office that allows transfers from the jail to patrol but you will have serious competition with other jailers and with applicants from outside the agency.

If you want to be a cop the easiest thing to do is go straight into it; I would suggest a large department with plenty of opportunities to advance (as you continue your education-hint, hint) or specialize (canine, bomb, dope, whatever). Medium well-paid departments can be OK, but usually have some heavy politics going on; they are good for when you have a family and want a somewhat stable life. Stay away from small departments; don't get tricked into thinking a small department is a "stepping stone". Many times cops will jump from crappy little PD to crappy little PD their whole career. Don't fall for it.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 8:03:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ras_Thavas:
Take Judo and see if they will concentrate on the holds and ground fighting for you.

Most of the time when you have to go hands on with someone your ultimate goal is to get control over them in order to cuff them. Judo can help with that.



Yeah, its called Ju-jitsu........
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 8:04:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bcw107:

No real advancement outside of working in a prison/jail. I'll readily admit those guys are doing something that I wouldn't do.


Wouldn't it be an advantage if someone wanted to become a patrol officer?

Pretty doubtful. I don't know of any departments that recognize jailer time as "experience". You might find a county sheriff's office that allows transfers from the jail to patrol but you will have serious competition with other jailers and with applicants from outside the agency.

If you want to be a cop the easiest thing to do is go straight into it; I would suggest a large department with plenty of opportunities to advance (as you continue your education-hint, hint) or specialize (canine, bomb, dope, whatever). Medium well-paid departments can be OK, but usually have some heavy politics going on; they are good for when you have a family and want a somewhat stable life. Stay away from small departments; don't get tricked into thinking a small department is a "stepping stone". Many times cops will jump from crappy little PD to crappy little PD their whole career. Don't fall for it.

I have applied to a few small pd's the only problem is the pay is very very low, the only plus will be they will send me to the academy (if I get hired)
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 8:07:30 AM EDT
I have been in Correction for 11 years. I have seen two of my partners get their throats cut over a medical denial of pain medications (Colorado 2005), 1 assaulted over a Parole denial, many assaulted over catching offenders committing minor violations of the rules, many assaulted over something another officer did to anger them, & the list could go on forever. The bottom line is; We are surrounded by the turds of society, and they run in packs. If they want to get at you, they will. Sometimes they just want to get at the system, and you are just a representative target.

An awareness, and alertness will lessen the chance you will fall victim to them. A good partner is a lifeline. The ability to react quickly can save your life. Being consistent in your dealings with offenders will lessen your chance of you causing the assault.
In the end, it is an uncertain career, and you have to accept that many factors lead to assaults on officers. All you can do is try to minimize those factors.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 8:11:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NorCal_LEO:
Krav Maga


+1 Also use elbows and or knees to strike. Personally tested and approved!
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 8:34:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M4builder:
I have been in Correction for 11 years. I have seen two of my partners get their throats cut over a medical denial of pain medications (Colorado 2005), 1 assaulted over a Parole denial, many assaulted over catching offenders committing minor violations of the rules, many assaulted over something another officer did to anger them, & the list could go on forever. The bottom line is; We are surrounded by the turds of society, and they run in packs. If they want to get at you, they will. Sometimes they just want to get at the system, and you are just a representative target.

An awareness, and alertness will lessen the chance you will fall victim to them. A good partner is a lifeline. The ability to react quickly can save your life. Being consistent in your dealings with offenders will lessen your chance of you causing the assault.
In the end, it is an uncertain career, and you have to accept that many factors lead to assaults on officers. All you can do is try to minimize those factors.


that sucks was there anything they could have done to prevent it?
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 8:51:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By M4builder:
I have been in Correction for 11 years. I have seen two of my partners get their throats cut over a medical denial of pain medications (Colorado 2005), 1 assaulted over a Parole denial, many assaulted over catching offenders committing minor violations of the rules, many assaulted over something another officer did to anger them, & the list could go on forever. The bottom line is; We are surrounded by the turds of society, and they run in packs. If they want to get at you, they will. Sometimes they just want to get at the system, and you are just a representative target.

An awareness, and alertness will lessen the chance you will fall victim to them. A good partner is a lifeline. The ability to react quickly can save your life. Being consistent in your dealings with offenders will lessen your chance of you causing the assault.
In the end, it is an uncertain career, and you have to accept that many factors lead to assaults on officers. All you can do is try to minimize those factors.


that sucks was there anything they could have done to prevent it?


Not really, he had been a porter (janitor) in that area for years, and hadn't given them any signs of instability. (Yes, he knew them for years) One day he just did it- when they were looking elsewhere, during a mass movement. There were over 100 offenders moving around - you can't watch them all.
The lesson; Don't let your guard down....these guys are never trustworthy.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 9:14:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2007 9:19:15 AM EDT by LuvBUSHmaster]

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By southlak9cop:
Ask to see a tax statement. Only way that happened is if he worked damn near every day pulling in some crazy OT. I don't think that happened anywhere here in the US. Unless he works at the facility that has Jimmy Hoffa locked up.



On the web they advertise 70k? I have also read a few articles about how many officers are making over 100k?

I really dont know, but the word on the street is the pay is very good.


I work in Governmental HR, I oversee HR issues for a local police department among other areas.
I'm gonna take a WAG and say that the $70k is in TOTAL Compensation. Meaning, they add a $$$ value to your health insurance, your life insurance, your retirement plan contributions, tuition reimbursement, your sick banks, your vacation or flex time banks, etc.

Meaning: That $70k is not gonna be rolling into your bank account as $70k less taxes. More likely a $35k annual salary before taxes with up to 5-10% of the total annual salary being a base line prediction of estimated overtime pay. So the job may only pay near 30k, with a $5k estimate of overtime pay, plus all the above "bennies" or benefits piled on top and given a dollar value (that dollar value reflecting not an amount in your pocket, but rather a "VALUE" to you).

I hope that made sense. You gotta read the fine print 'cause I would be really surprised to see an entry level job that only required limited background experience in the LE field that has a starting pay at $70k, even in Cali.
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