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Posted: 12/15/2016 12:39:57 PM EDT
Woke up this morning to find out that we have been warned not to use our tap water for anything.  No brushing teeth, no bathing, showering, washing hands, clothes, etc.  This isn't just a 'water boil warning' like we've had 4 times in the past year…but a DO NOT USE warning.

Apparently there was some kind of chemical spill and it's effected our water supply.  Many businesses are closed and not able to operate because of this.  It has been an ongoing problem in our city and basically THEY HAVE ONE JOB…and can't even do that.

I'm not a crazy prepper type, but I've always kept a lot of bottled water on hand at my house…stores were out and there were big crowds at the various stores this morning WAITING.  If you don't have it when you need it, you ain't gonna get it.

It looks like the CDC and Feds are involved now too.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:41:51 PM EDT
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Woke up this morning to find out that we have been warned not to use our tap water for anything.  No brushing teeth, no bathing, showering, washing hands, clothes, etc.  This isn't just a 'water boil warning' like we've had 4 times in the past year…but a DO NOT USE warning.

Apparently there was some kind of chemical spill and it's effected our water supply.  Many businesses are closed and not able to operate because of this.  It has been an ongoing problem in our city and basically THEY HAVE ONE JOB…and can't even do that.

I'm not a crazy prepper type, but I've always kept a lot of bottled water on hand at my house…stores were out and there were big crowds at the various stores this morning WAITING.  If you don't have it when you need it, you ain't gonna get it.

It looks like the CDC and Feds are involved now too.
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Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:43:19 PM EDT
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Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:44:20 PM EDT
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I have some family down there.  Sounds like they closed most area schools.

I hope they had some bottled water on hand (as you mentioned they had boil notices before) since the HEB is going to be raided!
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:44:47 PM EDT
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Sh*t. That's a Colorado style disaster.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:45:25 PM EDT
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Flint in Texas.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:46:42 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:46:50 PM EDT
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Links?

Might I suggest perhaps entertaining the idea that some of those crazy prepper types might be onto something?

Aren't you in tornader or hurticane area too? Not doing anything about that?
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:47:42 PM EDT
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Somebody is going to get tenderly loved for disabling/not having back-flow preventers on their water line. We have to have them on the main supply line as well as every silcock/hosebib. 
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:47:46 PM EDT
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I have some family down there.  Sounds like they closed most area schools.

I hope they had some bottled water on hand (as you mentioned they had boil notices before) since the HEB is going to be raided!
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I have enough water for a while…but if this goes beyond Friday, I am going to the in laws in Austin.

Once this blows over, I am listing my house for sale and getting the hell out of here.  It breaks my heart to leave as I do love it here…I am less than a mile from the Gulf of Mexico, and less than 10 miles from Padre Island National Seashore and have a great shooting range to go to, but this is like the 5th time this year we've had this problem…and being a dude with a compromised immune system due to Chronic Kidney Disease…I am a gone pecan.






Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:49:39 PM EDT
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Might I suggest perhaps entertaining the idea that some of those crazy prepper types might be onto something?

Aren't you in tornader or hurticane area too? Not doing anything about that?
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Bullshit

and More bullshit
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:51:08 PM EDT
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I have enough water for a while…but if this goes beyond Friday, I am going to the in laws in Austin.

Once this blows over, I am listing my house for sale and getting the hell out of here.  It breaks my heart to leave as I do love it here…I am less than a mile from the Gulf of Mexico, and less than 10 miles from Padre Island National Seashore and have a great shooting range to go to, but this is like the 5th time this year we've had this problem…and being a dude with a compromised immune system due to Chronic Kidney Disease…I am a gone pecan.
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Get a RO water filter - they are a lot cheaper than moving.

Even a whole house size is not a big deal.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:53:16 PM EDT
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Get a RO water filter - they are a lot cheaper than moving.

Even a whole house size is not a big deal.
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Will that filter out chemical contaminants?
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:57:35 PM EDT
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I have enough water for a while…but if this goes beyond Friday, I am going to the in laws in Austin.

Once this blows over, I am listing my house for sale and getting the hell out of here.  It breaks my heart to leave as I do love it here…I am less than a mile from the Gulf of Mexico, and less than 10 miles from Padre Island National Seashore and have a great shooting range to go to, but this is like the 5th time this year we've had this problem…and being a dude with a compromised immune system due to Chronic Kidney Disease…I am a gone pecan.
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I have some family down there.  Sounds like they closed most area schools.

I hope they had some bottled water on hand (as you mentioned they had boil notices before) since the HEB is going to be raided!
I have enough water for a while…but if this goes beyond Friday, I am going to the in laws in Austin.

Once this blows over, I am listing my house for sale and getting the hell out of here.  It breaks my heart to leave as I do love it here…I am less than a mile from the Gulf of Mexico, and less than 10 miles from Padre Island National Seashore and have a great shooting range to go to, but this is like the 5th time this year we've had this problem…and being a dude with a compromised immune system due to Chronic Kidney Disease…I am a gone pecan.

I live across the street from the water and popped smoke earlier this year.  Couldn't be happier.  That place is a cess pool in more ways than one.  The sparkling shitty by the sea.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:59:00 PM EDT
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Well the current mayor is a democrat.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:59:36 PM EDT
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The news article I saw indicated it was due to a backflow event of non-toxic petroleum product from one of the industrial areas.  The city isn't naming the suspected company.

Either it was due to not having a correct BFP installed on their line to prevent backflow or not having the device tested regularly and it failed to perform when needed.

Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:02:36 PM EDT
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Nearly Mexico is Nearly Mexico.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:02:55 PM EDT
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Better stick to drinking beer and bathing in the ocean.  Be glad it is warm there.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:05:27 PM EDT
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The news article I saw indicated it was due to a backflow event of non-toxic petroleum product from one of the industrial areas.  The city isn't naming the suspected company.

Either it was due to not having a correct BFP installed on their line to prevent backflow or not having the device tested regularly and it failed to perform when needed.
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Or they did test it regularly, but it happen to fail between inspections. Shit happens.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:07:32 PM EDT
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Nelda is gone.  We have a brand new Mayor…took office literally, the day before.

Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:10:22 PM EDT
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Or they did test it regularly, but it happen to fail between inspections. Shit happens.
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Perhaps, but they typically begin leaking past the seals a little (which will cause it to fail testing) long before total failure, but anything can happen.

However, that is if they are tested in the first place.  Those things are easily neglected and forgotten about, because backflow events can be so far and few between.  Usually, it takes an event like this to get everyone looking at their BFP program again.

Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:10:24 PM EDT
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The contaminant is indulin AA 86.  4-40 gallons in whole water supply.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:12:33 PM EDT
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The contaminant is andulin AA 86.  4-40 gallons in whole water supply.
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Indulin AA 86?

A pavement crack sealant?

ETA:MSDS safety sheet on Indulin AA 86

It is less dense than water, so that is not good news.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:14:04 PM EDT
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Nelda is gone.  We have a brand new Mayor…took office literally, the day before.
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Well the current mayor is a democrat.

Nelda is gone.  We have a brand new Mayor…took office literally, the day before.

I know some of the folks in politics there.  I don't think anyone is better than the others, some are just worse.

Have they said who was responsible for the dump?
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:18:13 PM EDT
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Ergon Asphalt & Emulsions, Inc.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:18:16 PM EDT
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Ah, so the problem will be fixed very soon.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:20:01 PM EDT
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Have they blamed the Russians yet?
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:26:27 PM EDT
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I have enough water for a while…but if this goes beyond Friday, I am going to the in laws in Austin.

Once this blows over, I am listing my house for sale and getting the hell out of here.  It breaks my heart to leave as I do love it here…I am less than a mile from the Gulf of Mexico, and less than 10 miles from Padre Island National Seashore and have a great shooting range to go to, but this is like the 5th time this year we've had this problem…and being a dude with a compromised immune system due to Chronic Kidney Disease…I am a gone pecan.
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Yes, Corpus is a dump. I grew up there and got the hell out as soon as I could legally raise my hand at the Army recruiter.

You could try my option, live in the hill country and commute for the fishing.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:26:44 PM EDT
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I was thinking they'll blame Trump himself
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:26:45 PM EDT
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Yes
Sorry typoed
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:31:17 PM EDT
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Pipeline broke. I blame DAPL. Fucking pipeliners. Always breaking shit and polluting water.

Dont you worry son! The weather is a hell of a lot better so I expect the sacred noble righteous Water Protectors are making their way down there as you read this! Salvation comes!
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:32:28 PM EDT
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Links?

Might I suggest perhaps entertaining the idea that some of those crazy prepper types might be onto something?

Aren't you in tornader or hurticane area too? Not doing anything about that?
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Except rational people keep a few days worth. Preppers will stock half a year of food and water, NBC protection and enough ammo to arm a small country because extreme force on force will happen every single day! It'd be comical if they werent so damned serious about it. 
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:35:18 PM EDT
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BAckflow preventers only work when the water pressure drops drastically.  Shouldn't be needed or ever used unless the whole system loses pressure.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:38:34 PM EDT
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Except rational people keep a few days worth. Preppers will stock half a year of food and water, NBC protection and enough ammo to arm a small country because extreme force on force will happen every single day! It'd be comical if they werent so damned serious about it. 
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Do you expect this to be fixed in the next few days? Do you think that the people in Flint might be wishing they had a few months worth of supplies?
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:39:43 PM EDT
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Indulin AA 86?

A pavement crack sealant?

ETA:MSDS safety sheet on Indulin AA 86

It is less dense than water, so that is not good news.
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The contaminant is andulin AA 86.  4-40 gallons in whole water supply.


Indulin AA 86?

A pavement crack sealant?

ETA:MSDS safety sheet on Indulin AA 86

It is less dense than water, so that is not good news.

Sweet, now they just need to spray down all the roads!  Maybe the town will stop looking like it has been carpet bombed. 
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:42:28 PM EDT
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BAckflow preventers only work when the water pressure drops drastically.  Shouldn't be needed or ever used unless the whole system loses pressure.
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It doesn't have to be a drastic pressure drop.  You just need a slight reversal of the energy gradient, which causes the water to flow in the reverse direction.  

A waterline break somewhere in the city (which reduces city water system pressure) coupled with a failed BFP or lack of BFP on a line supplying water to an industry that has internal cross-connections present, creates the conditions for a backflow of contaminant into the water mains.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:44:15 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:45:23 PM EDT
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This is a text from my sister that works at Valero.  

The source of the leak is Ergon Asphalt & Emulsions Inc

The backflow is on an incoming line that splits into three. One goes to Ergon, one goes to Valero fitness center the other keeps going. Ergon backflow leaked a month ago. They've been having this shit in the water this whole time

Valero rents the land to Ergon. This is gonna be a huge legal nitemare for Valero. Ergon will prob go outta business and leave Valero holding the bag
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:49:57 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:52:28 PM EDT
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Go here and be ready for the next time.


Water Barrel Sanitize and Set Up 55 Gallon Water Barrel
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:54:06 PM EDT
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This is a text from my sister that works at Valero.  

The source of the leak is Ergon Asphalt & Emulsions Inc

The backflow is on an incoming line that splits into three. One goes to Ergon, one goes to Valero fitness center the other keeps going. Ergon backflow leaked a month ago. They've been having this shit in the water this whole time

Valero rents the land to Ergon. This is gonna be a huge legal nitemare for Valero. Ergon will prob go outta business and leave Valero holding the bag
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Wonder what the rules are for backflow testing there.  Believe it or not the town  where I work they have no rules about having or maintaining BF preventers.  

We do it anyway as it is a best practice.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:54:31 PM EDT
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What's the demographic there?

Is this racism, or just an un news worthy accident?
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:57:38 PM EDT
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Petroleum product it sounds like. In the water line could cause it to stick to surfaces and be released at random times as conditions change at any point in the future.  It might be localized to the neighborhood though.

This is going to be a long, drawn out affair involving digging up the water system I bet.

With bad kidneys, I'd be leaving too. 
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:59:51 PM EDT
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A lot of toxic chemicals can be absorbed through the skin....don't let any animals drink it either.
Nothing worse than poisoned water
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 2:00:54 PM EDT
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Billions of people who have come into contact with it have died.  DIED!
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 2:02:09 PM EDT
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Except rational people keep a few days worth. Preppers will stock half a year of food and water, NBC protection and enough ammo to arm a small country because extreme force on force will happen every single day! It'd be comical if they werent so damned serious about it. 
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You make it sound like that's a bad thing.  
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 2:02:37 PM EDT
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Except rational people keep a few days worth. Preppers will stock half a year of food and water, NBC protection and enough ammo to arm a small country because extreme force on force will happen every single day! It'd be comical if they werent so damned serious about it. 
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I've lived in several places in the U.S. where a contaminated water supply was an issue. Recently areas on the Ohio/Pa border had issues with contaminated water from the Great Lakes. These communities were without potable water for a long time. If you don't care to be informed or simply are too obtuse to understand the value of basic preps, then I encourage you to continue on. But, this is like any other form of insurance. It is a rational response to a foreseeable issue.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 2:02:43 PM EDT
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It doesn't have to be a drastic pressure drop.  You just need a slight reversal of the energy gradient, which causes the water to flow in the reverse direction.  

A waterline break somewhere in the city (which reduces city water system pressure) coupled with a failed BFP or lack of BFP on a line supplying water to an industry that has internal cross-connections present, creates the conditions for a backflow of contaminant into the water mains.
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So, an open water valve and an outlet under a fluid column (high pressure on the "outside" of the water pipe) would do it.

All kinds of failure modes are possible without the water used at the plant going through an air gap.  (You would think that would be standard, a pipe ending at the top of an air gap tank and a pressure pump to move the water from there to where it's needed at the facility.)
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 2:05:25 PM EDT
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I've lived in several places in the U.S. where a contaminated water supply was an issue. Recently areas on the Ohio/Pa border had issues with contaminated water from the Great Lakes. These communities were without potable water for a long time. If you don't care to be informed or simply are to obtuse to understand the value of basic preps, then I encourage you to continue on. But, this is like any other form of insurance. It is a rational response to a foreseeable issue.
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Except rational people keep a few days worth. Preppers will stock half a year of food and water, NBC protection and enough ammo to arm a small country because extreme force on force will happen every single day! It'd be comical if they werent so damned serious about it. 

I've lived in several places in the U.S. where a contaminated water supply was an issue. Recently areas on the Ohio/Pa border had issues with contaminated water from the Great Lakes. These communities were without potable water for a long time. If you don't care to be informed or simply are to obtuse to understand the value of basic preps, then I encourage you to continue on. But, this is like any other form of insurance. It is a rational response to a foreseeable issue.
I'd invite the guy to come visit the forum for that stuff we have here (cuz he's got crazy ideas about what people actually do) but he's got crazy ideas about what people actually do already so is probably closed to actual information.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 2:07:50 PM EDT
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**UPDATE**

Now 3,000 residents without power.

I've said it all along, this is how the Zombie Apocalypse begins
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 2:10:46 PM EDT
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Are you sure it's chemical and not radionucides?

Petrochemical... So why was that line hooked up to a water main?

Hope it doesn't react with PVC.
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