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Posted: 5/15/2008 1:41:28 PM EST
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Back story:
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- Albuquerque police have taken doughnut runs to new heights, swooping down in a police helicopter for a late-night snack.

"I don't know how they decided that was a good idea," the department's spokesman, Lt. Bob Huntsman, said in a copyright story in Friday's Albuquerque Journal.

The Albuquerque Police Department has two helicopters for routine night patrols, and Huntsman said it costs about $80 an hour to keep one of the Kiowa copters flying. The pilot "who is not a police officer" is under contract to the department.

"We're going to look into it," Huntsman said. "If they violated policy or procedure, they're going to get disciplined for it. We've worked too hard to make this a professional unit to let lack of common sense tear us down."

Rio Rancho resident Keith Turner, who works near a Krispy Kreme doughnut shop on Albuquerque's west side, said he was taking a break with other people between 12:30 and 1 a.m., Thursday, when a police helicopter swooped down, circled and landed in a nearby dirt field.

"I was like, 'No, they'd better not go and get doughnuts,"' Turner said.

One of those aboard got out and went inside while the helicopter idled, he said. The passenger returned to the helicopter 10 to 15 minutes later carrying a box of Krispy Kremes, he said.

"I was angry, and I'm still kind of angry," Turner said. "You've got no business flying in to get doughnuts."

The chopper gave what Turner presumed was a goodbye toot on its police siren as it took off, he said.

Huntsman confirmed the incident, but said he had not had a chance to speak to those aboard. He said it appeared the duo were near the end of their shift and probably were flying back to the hangar on the west side.

"As far as we know, they did bring doughnuts back," he said.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:43:27 PM EST
I should be pissed at the waste of taxpayer money... but I just can seem to stop ing
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:44:15 PM EST
Refueling stop.

Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:44:50 PM EST
Typical
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:45:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By Boomer8450:
I should be pissed at the waste of taxpayer money... but I just can seem to stop ing

Me too. This is wrong/funny as hell.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:46:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By Boomer8450:
I should be pissed at the waste of taxpayer money... but I just can seem to stop ing


No shit.....Points for big brass ones
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:46:18 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:46:45 PM EST
If they were flying anyways, who gives a damn, just a little "ground time" to check on the locals.

Probably had to take a crap, not like there is a crapper in the air. [Well there is, but the "look out below" sucks.

Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:47:15 PM EST
They're not doughnuts, dammit! They're police power rings!
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:47:19 PM EST
it is dangerous to fly on an empty stomach.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:49:04 PM EST
I wonder how many non-LEO's stuff their face with donuts while working???
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:49:23 PM EST
BFD 15 minutes of idle time, pay 20 bucks and get on with it.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:53:11 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:53:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/15/2008 1:53:56 PM EST by geegee]
That picture reminds me of the donut shop in our town.





Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:56:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/15/2008 1:57:41 PM EST by LoganSackett]
I would love to see the cops fast roping down onto the Krispy Kreme.

ETA: Krispy Kreme, not Dunkin Donuts.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 1:58:09 PM EST
typical
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:00:30 PM EST
well, look at it this way.. The could see a lot more of the area from the helicopter than from a police cruiser.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:02:52 PM EST
Um, if they were driving a police car, would they be making the same deal out of it?

Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:03:54 PM EST
Hey Donuts & coffee keeps our cops full of sugar to do a good job out there.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:04:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By NineLivez:

Originally Posted By Boomer8450:
I should be pissed at the waste of taxpayer money... but I just can seem to stop ing


No shit.....Points for big brass ones


+2. This is something Chief Wiggums would do....

Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:05:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Boomer8450:
I should be pissed at the waste of taxpayer money... but I just can seem to stop ing

Why? Do you think they used taxpayer money to buy the donuts?
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:05:33 PM EST
$80 an hour for a turbine helicopters operating costs seems a bit low...


Aviator
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:05:34 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:10:42 PM EST
$80/hr does sound cheap. A quick google search shows prices of $900+/hr for Bell 206 rentals, and a lot more if you need a pilot. If it only costs $80/hr to run, that's one hell of a profit margin They called it a Kiowa, I wonder if it's a real military OH-58(no doubt "given" to them by the govt or bought with homeland security grants) or just a JetRanger that they wanted to make sound cooler.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:22:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/15/2008 2:23:51 PM EST by southlak9cop]

Originally Posted By geegee:
That picture reminds me of the donut shop in our town.


img208.imageshack.us/img208/6176/breakfastofchampions1pc9.jpg




Funny pic....but is that a Honeybaked Ham Cafe next door? The logo on our local HHC looks very similar in styling to that green H. If it is, kinda takes the humor out of that pic doesn't it?

I am curious as to what their departmental policy is on landing to take breaks, etc. Where they stop doesn't really matter provided it isn't in violation of departmental policy.

Everyone knows that Krispy Kreme donuts actually have crack mixed into the glaze anyway. Who cares who goes in there for a fix? It does perpetuate the stereotype though.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:26:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/15/2008 2:27:30 PM EST by TabbieEater]
That's NED From The Bubba the Love sponge Show.
NED ROCKs!!!!!
you should hear his Arab stuff as well as his ball busting of the catholic church in Boston.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:30:23 PM EST


I woulda pissed my pants laughing if they repelled down...
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:32:03 PM EST
Cops gotta eat too!
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:38:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/15/2008 2:43:15 PM EST by BushMeister]


Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:39:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By jrollins:
$80/hr does sound cheap. A quick google search shows prices of $900+/hr for Bell 206 rentals, and a lot more if you need a pilot. If it only costs $80/hr to run, that's one hell of a profit margin They called it a Kiowa, I wonder if it's a real military OH-58(no doubt "given" to them by the govt or bought with homeland security grants) or just a JetRanger that they wanted to make sound cooler.


Yeah, if a C172 costs $80/hr, there is no way a turbine chopper can operate for that. I suspect a decinal was moved to the left one place.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:40:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By jrollins:
$80/hr does sound cheap. A quick google search shows prices of $900+/hr for Bell 206 rentals, and a lot more if you need a pilot. If it only costs $80/hr to run, that's one hell of a profit margin They called it a Kiowa, I wonder if it's a real military OH-58(no doubt "given" to them by the govt or bought with homeland security grants) or just a JetRanger that they wanted to make sound cooler.


Probably a 58A that the Army didn't want to upgrade....
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:41:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Boomer8450:

Originally Posted By jrollins:
$80/hr does sound cheap. A quick google search shows prices of $900+/hr for Bell 206 rentals, and a lot more if you need a pilot. If it only costs $80/hr to run, that's one hell of a profit margin They called it a Kiowa, I wonder if it's a real military OH-58(no doubt "given" to them by the govt or bought with homeland security grants) or just a JetRanger that they wanted to make sound cooler.


Yeah, if a C172 costs $80/hr, there is no way a turbine chopper can operate for that. I suspect a decinal was moved to the left one place.


I suspect the $80/hr is pure fuel burn...

Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:55:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Boomer8450:

Originally Posted By jrollins:
$80/hr does sound cheap. A quick google search shows prices of $900+/hr for Bell 206 rentals, and a lot more if you need a pilot. If it only costs $80/hr to run, that's one hell of a profit margin They called it a Kiowa, I wonder if it's a real military OH-58(no doubt "given" to them by the govt or bought with homeland security grants) or just a JetRanger that they wanted to make sound cooler.


Yeah, if a C172 costs $80/hr, there is no way a turbine chopper can operate for that. I suspect a decinal was moved to the left one place.


I suspect the $80/hr is pure fuel burn...



Most flying contraptions of that size burn around 11-15 gallons an hour. AvGas and Jet A is around $6... so, yes, that would be only fuel.

That said... I have no problem with this - most pilots will not find this even remotely offensive. I'd rather my tax dollars go to their doughnut run than more cruisers setting up speed traps.
Matt
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 2:57:08 PM EST
58A burns close to 20 gal an hour.


Aviator
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 3:09:02 PM EST
What is procedure if one of the helo crew has to use the restroom? Maybe one of them really had to go and they decided to kill two birds with one donut.

DN
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 3:10:35 PM EST
Reminds me of the scene in Cannonball Run where they land the plane in the street to get beer.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 3:11:00 PM EST
I wonder what's the legality of landing in the city like that?
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 3:26:38 PM EST
I think Albuquerque Police Department spokesman Brian McCutcheon would have said if someone had to take a wicked shit. Why wouldn't he add this in his defense if it was true?

What a fucking waste. Unfortunately, this is just one very visible example of the incredible amount of government waste that occurs on our dime every day.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 3:44:13 PM EST
Bummer of a story as it happened three years ago here.

Pilot's contract was not renewed, officer in the helicopter was transferred to traffic or some such.

APD's aviation funding was curtailed to the point where the local Sheriff's Department (Bernalillo County SO) took over aviation duties in their Hughes Defender...

...until it was shot down by a disgruntled, drunk with a 30/30 lever action.


(APD)Police later arrested Jason Kerns, a 29-year old former USMC marksmanship instructor and self-described "sniper," who had initially told investigators he saw the helicopter go down.



BCSO still has not replaced their Defender and APD now has a new helicopter...that has been targeted with a high intensity laser.


Suspects Thought It Would Be Funny
Police in Albuquerque, NM apprehended two men last week on charges of pointing a high-intensity laser at a department helicopter...

Link Posted: 5/15/2008 4:11:35 PM EST
that is funny..

i dont see how it is a waste, its not like they were not out and about, so there was a 5 min detour.. they burned the same almost the same ammount of fuel stopping for donuts or not.

I dont have a problem with it.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 4:26:09 PM EST
Thanks wiggy762:
I feel like I know the whole story
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 4:26:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Boomer8450:

Originally Posted By jrollins:
$80/hr does sound cheap. A quick google search shows prices of $900+/hr for Bell 206 rentals, and a lot more if you need a pilot. If it only costs $80/hr to run, that's one hell of a profit margin They called it a Kiowa, I wonder if it's a real military OH-58(no doubt "given" to them by the govt or bought with homeland security grants) or just a JetRanger that they wanted to make sound cooler.


Yeah, if a C172 costs $80/hr, there is no way a turbine chopper can operate for that. I suspect a decinal was moved to the left one place.


Including pilot, I would agree.

Turbine time aint cheap.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 4:28:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By u-baddog:
Thanks wiggy762:
I feel like I know the whole story


I am here to serve.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 4:33:45 PM EST
Aside from the cost and just plain hilarity, wouldn't that also be very dangerous?
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 4:34:18 PM EST
That is freakin funny even if its not right.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 4:54:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By TabbieEater:
That's NED From The Bubba the Love sponge Show.
NED ROCKs!!!!!
you should hear his Arab stuff as well as his ball busting of the catholic church in Boston.


That is the 1st thing I thought.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 4:59:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By valheru21:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Boomer8450:

Originally Posted By jrollins:
$80/hr does sound cheap. A quick google search shows prices of $900+/hr for Bell 206 rentals, and a lot more if you need a pilot. If it only costs $80/hr to run, that's one hell of a profit margin They called it a Kiowa, I wonder if it's a real military OH-58(no doubt "given" to them by the govt or bought with homeland security grants) or just a JetRanger that they wanted to make sound cooler.


Yeah, if a C172 costs $80/hr, there is no way a turbine chopper can operate for that. I suspect a decinal was moved to the left one place.


I suspect the $80/hr is pure fuel burn...



Most flying contraptions of that size burn around 11-15 gallons an hour. AvGas and Jet A is around $6... so, yes, that would be only fuel.

That said... I have no problem with this - most pilots will not find this even remotely offensive. I'd rather my tax dollars go to their doughnut run than more cruisers setting up speed traps.
Matt


I would agree...

The actual cost probably wasn't that much different vs the bird being in the air instead... Turbine engines have remarkably flat fuel consumption curves, IIRC (I just patch the holes... My fuel consumption-rate experience is 100% behind 4cyl Lycomings).....
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 5:00:20 PM EST
We're not getting the full story.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 5:01:19 PM EST
$80 an hour to run?

Bullshit.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 5:01:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Um, if they were driving a police car, would they be making the same deal out of it?



No but it's just the whole stero type.

I'm actually surprised it only costs $80 an hour to operate a helicopter.



It doesn't. It costs much more than that, especially a turbine powered helicopter.

Link Posted: 5/15/2008 5:02:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By southlak9cop:

Originally Posted By geegee:
That picture reminds me of the donut shop in our town.


img208.imageshack.us/img208/6176/breakfastofchampions1pc9.jpg




Funny pic....but is that a Honeybaked Ham Cafe next door? The logo on our local HHC looks very similar in styling to that green H. If it is, kinda takes the humor out of that pic doesn't it?

I am curious as to what their departmental policy is on landing to take breaks, etc. Where they stop doesn't really matter provided it isn't in violation of departmental policy.

Everyone knows that Krispy Kreme donuts actually have crack mixed into the glaze anyway. Who cares who goes in there for a fix? It does perpetuate the stereotype though.

The place next door is a Chinese restaurant, Hong Kong Express. I'm the one that took the picture and it was about 9:00 or so in the morning. When I saw those cars and that bike sitting there, I couldn't resist.
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