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Posted: 3/14/2006 9:51:01 AM EDT
For years they've been sending me letters begging me to join. Quite frankly, I'm turned off by the 'pandering politician' tone of the letters and it seems they are trying to solicit my money by playing up fear tactics. Some of what they say is true, but the solicitations and tone of their letters just rubs me the wrong way. I'm always turned off by slick talk no matter what the form or subject matter. Furthermore, I've heard a lot of gun owners complain about the NRA. Is it really worth the yearly membership fee?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:52:27 AM EDT
If you can't see the obvious reasons you need to join,
I won't be able to explain it to you.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:53:05 AM EDT
OK, please join the NRA, it's the very least you can do.....

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:53:26 AM EDT
They are the most influential Second Amendment lobbying group in the nation. If you cannot overlook a few flaws in order to support them, then don't.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:54:32 AM EDT
its that or you can give away your guns
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:56:50 AM EDT
They're bastards for wanting money to protect something you love. That should be free. Imagine if someone wanted money for the military, or to build roads, to keep America safe. Those bastards.

(All sarcasm aside, why wouldn't you join? They want money? What do you think it takes to hire lawyers and lobbyists? Or do you think that fighting lawsuits and mobilizing voters is all done with pixie dust and lollipops? If you own a gun and aren't a member of the NRA, you are worse than those trying to take our guns, because you believe in freedom but won't stand up for it).
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:01:17 AM EDT
Even if you don't like the way they market themselves, the NRA does more to promote shooting sports, youth shooting, and places to shoot than any other organization out there.

If we don't keep producing people who like to shoot, our right to arms will disappear just like it has in the UK.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:02:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ShadowCompany:
For years they've been sending me letters begging me to join. Quite frankly, I'm turned off by the 'pandering politician' tone of the letters and it seems they are trying to solicit my money by playing up fear tactics. Some of what they say is true, but the solicitations and tone of their letters just rubs me the wrong way. I'm always turned off by slick talk no matter what the form or subject matter. Furthermore, I've heard a lot of gun owners complain about the NRA. Is it really worth the yearly membership fee?



I don't like their ad BS either. So, I just pay my yearly dues and ignore/pitch the junk mail that they send.

You should join. It's the best thing, within the system we have to fight for our RKBA.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:02:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Goonboss:
If you can't see the obvious reasons you need to join,
I won't be able to explain it to you.





Amen
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:03:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KBaker:
Even if you don't like the way they market themselves, the NRA does more to promote shooting sports, youth shooting, and places to shoot than any other organization out there.

If we don't keep producing people who like to shoot, our right to arms will disappear just like it has in the UK.



That is very true. I'll add these two:

1. Even if you have disagreements with certain details of their operation or philosophy, the sheer number of members they can show has an effect on lawmakers. It's not just a bunch of guys, isolated but shouting. It is a substantial bloc. Though we may be independence minded, that is our downfall in many cases: others form blocs to gain influence. NRA is our bloc.

2. The magazine isn't bad.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:04:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 10:21:59 AM EDT by MasterSniper]
Aw Jeez, not this shit again!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:04:50 AM EDT
Supporting the NRA is an easy way that you can fight the tyranny of gun control now while it's easy.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:04:53 AM EDT
You are fucking kidding me right?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:06:19 AM EDT
Join or DIE!!!

OK, how about join, pretty please?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:08:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RoyDamnMercer:

Originally Posted By Goonboss:
If you can't see the obvious reasons you need to join,
I won't be able to explain it to you.





Amen



+1
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:08:45 AM EDT
If you need to be "convinced" to join the NRA, you are on the wrong website.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:08:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 10:09:58 AM EDT by rkbar15]
And the #1 reason to join: It pisses off the Brady Bunch.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:09:30 AM EDT
Join or else....

<­BR>

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:09:46 AM EDT
35 dollars a year increase the ods of you haveing guns for the rest of your life. A DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:09:50 AM EDT
See my sig line. If you don't support the NRA you may be selling your children's - and their children's - futures down the drain.

The Soft fight is easier than the Hard fight.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:10:06 AM EDT
No.

We don't want members who need convincing.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:10:13 AM EDT
I am NO lover of the NRA. But I am a member here is why:

In the last 2 years they have accomplished many very good legislative actions:
NOLA lawsuits
No Retreat Law/Castle Doctrine in Fl and now on pending bills in many other states
SUNSET OF THE ASSULT WEAPONS BAN
Passage of the gun makers protection act <- One of the most important laws recently for RKBA

Also I am hearing more and of the "Elmer Fudd" type hunters who are NOT friends of the Bill of Rights and who think the second ammendment means they can kill ducks. These 'Fudd Hunters who are one of our biggest enemies, are getting SICK of the NRA for pandering to the Bill of Rights and our Right to Keep and Bear arms.

These Fudds as I like to call them are quitting and I see it as the tide changing. This is the perfect time for staunch RKBA active people to join the NRA and change the organization to act more like the GOA and JPFO.

We will have much more success lobbying the NRA to become more and more strongly RKBA, and push harder with fewer compromises and introduce and support NEW legistlation freindly to the Bill of Rights and the repeal of bad laws. If more and more "Evil Black Rifle" owners join and support and LOBBY the NRA they will change and fight even more for us.

And I think that time is comming. Personally I like GOA and JPFO MUCH MORE. BUT they do not WIN anything. The NRA does. The NRA is NOT perfect. The JPFO is just about perfect but they are not nearly as effective. And that is important. If you hold out for perfect you will be defending yourself with a pointy stick instead of an AR15. The NRA is one of the PRIMARY reasons why we have gotten so much good legislation in the last few years. Lets support that.

If you don't LIKE them CHANGE them. I DO NOT like them!!!!! I LIKE JPFO. And I LIKE the GOA. But I AM an NRA member. Every time I contact them and get hit up for money, I will include a note telling them EXACTLY why I am supporting them. I say that I could care less about hunting and sporting use. I am supporting you BECAUSE you have supported RKBA better in the last 2 years. As long as RKBA is your PRIMARY reason to exist I will continue to support you. They are much more likely to listen to us than some elected looser. And the more power the NRA has the more the elected loosers have to listen to them......
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:11:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
And the #1 reason to join: It pisses off the Brady Bunch.



This is the BEST reason!!!!!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:13:12 AM EDT
Because I said so.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:16:35 AM EDT
Well since you are not a paid member here, you obviously like to free load off of those who carry your weight here. You obviously like to freeload off those of us who are members of the NRA. Who do you think keeps your gun rights safe from the gun grabbers? If you own firearms and have to ask such a stupid shit question, you deserve to be called the ass hat you are.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:20:07 AM EDT
"All your guns are belong to us."
Thats why.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:22:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 10:24:40 AM EDT by NYPatriot]
How is this for convincing... How about you start shouldering YOUR share of the burden, instead of relying on the rest of us to protect YOUR RKBA?

That's not too much to ask, is it?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:25:34 AM EDT
If you don't understand why you need to be an NRA member after visiting these sites you are beyond help.

bradycampaign.org - GUNS IN FLORIDA WORKPLACES? THAT IS THE GOAL OF THE NRA

bradycenter.org - Pressed by the National Rifle Association, a House subcommittee will be holding a hearing Wednesday afternoon on what the NRA is scurrilously calling "abuse" by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF),

millionmommarch.org - A long sit in the Time Out Chair for the NRA Foundation's Eddie Eagle Program for Touting education as gun safety when studies have shown that gun safety training does NOT deter children and youth from picking up and playing with guns, and

gunlawsuits.org - ONCE AGAIN, THE NRA SHOWS IT'S THE CRIMINAL'S BEST FRIEND

stopthenra.com - Guns in the workplace? That is the goal of the National Rifle Association.

nrablacklist.com - Join the thousands of others who have added their names to the NRA Blacklist by signing this petition to stop Congress from giving reckless gun sellers special legal privileges.

ShootFirstLaw.org - At the NRA's urging, the bill removed a provision that says a person has a "duty to retreat" when attacked outside the home.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:36:44 AM EDT
I have a friend at work who is staunchly pro-RKBA, libertarian, and a strict constitutionalist. He refuses to join the NRA or to vote for a Republican canditate because he considers the NRA to be a gun control organization and the republicans to be too socialist.

While he makes very good points I still find it hard to understand how we would be better off without the NRA fighting for our rights, or if we'd have just stood back, refused to vote and let the John Kerry's of the world take our guns away.

How do you argue with these people. I don't like everything the NRA does, and Bush has done plenty of stupid things as president, but what are the alternatives? Hell I could just move to Canada or the UK if I wanted to follow his plan. They are the logical conclusion of such thinking...
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:54:32 AM EDT
Life Member here.......They are the 900 pound gorilla of the RKBA crowd. The other orginizations talk a good game but lack the clout.


It takes dollars to pay lawyers and lobbyists. I loath both professions, but they are a necessary
evil.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 11:02:37 AM EDT
Someone once asked Louis Armstrong, "What is jazz?"

He replied, "If you gotta ask, you'll never understand."

Same thing about asking to be "convinced" to join the only meaningful RKBA organization.

OP - Life and Endowment Member of NRA


Link Posted: 3/14/2006 11:11:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 2:56:40 PM EDT by warlord]
The NRA is about the only organization that stands between you and govt gun confiscation. Look at what happened in Canada, UK, and Australia, where they don't even have an organization that is not even remotely as influencial as the NRA.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 11:14:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By topknot:

Originally Posted By ShadowCompany:
For years they've been sending me letters begging me to join. Quite frankly, I'm turned off by the 'pandering politician' tone of the letters and it seems they are trying to solicit my money by playing up fear tactics. Some of what they say is true, but the solicitations and tone of their letters just rubs me the wrong way. I'm always turned off by slick talk no matter what the form or subject matter. Furthermore, I've heard a lot of gun owners complain about the NRA. Is it really worth the yearly membership fee?



I don't like their ad BS either. So, I just pay my yearly dues and ignore/pitch the junk mail that they send.

You should join. It's the best thing, within the system we have to fight for our RKBA.




If you call them up and ask them to take you off the junk mailing list, they will. I have decreased my junk mail intake considerably since then.

And if you call them to sign up instead of doing it online, you can ask them to remove you from the junk mailing list before they even have a chance to start.

https://www.nramemberservices.org/Default.asp

or

1-877-NRA-2000
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 11:15:04 AM EDT
How about this?

Pussy!!

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 11:34:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 11:34:38 AM EDT by macman37]
Some of the comments in this thread actually serve as a great way to recruit of the millions upon millions of other gun owners that aren't members of the NRA and can't seem to find the $20/year or whatever it is to join.

We need to come at them from all angles, but not sound like tin foil hat anti-government whackjobs. We need to sound authoritative, inclusive and moderate. Gun control will effect everybody should it go all-out like England or Australia. Oh, except the criminals...
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 12:01:26 PM EDT
So ShadowCompany, are you going to join???
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 12:14:06 PM EDT
This one time the NRA did something that I didn't like, so I will let the government take my guns before I join!

moron.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 12:26:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
So ShadowCompany, are you going to join???



Here's how I feel about it right now. Personally, I prefer to let my voice be heard at the voting booth. I wish our government was not at a point where we have to rely on huge lobbying groups to accomplish anything. That is weekness. What good is the government then? That being said, out of the goodness of my heart and by my devotion to the RKBA, YES I WILL JOIN!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 12:27:24 PM EDT
NRA, now "en Espanol" on the web.

Yep, they have a spanish section on the web now, but no information on my competition number I've had since 1996. The web site has no usefull information unless you want to buy something or join.

All I wanted to know was Air Pistol classifications and I came up empty handed.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 12:27:47 PM EDT
Now I suggest all you name callers retract your comments.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 12:36:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ShadowCompany:

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
So ShadowCompany, are you going to join???



Here's how I feel about it right now. Personally, I prefer to let my voice be heard at the voting booth. I wish our government was not at a point where we have to rely on huge lobbying groups to accomplish anything. That is weekness. What good is the government then? That being said, out of the goodness of my heart and by my devotion to the RKBA, YES I WILL JOIN!



Outstanding!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 12:41:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 12:43:10 PM EDT by Goonboss]

Originally Posted By ShadowCompany:
Now I suggest all you name callers retract your comments.



Who called you names?

I mean, if we called you names based on what you were before....

Freeloader...That sort of thing...Well, it's what you were.

You don't suggest we retract truthful statements?

Now, if you do indeed grudeingly (from what ive read) join
the NRA, great. You are doing the absolute minimum
meaningful thing to support the Constitution.

We extend a welcome.

BTW....If you can't sustain a mild ARFCOM ass-bruiseing......
well, ya best get gone.

ETA- Thank you for joining. The rights you save might be your own.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 12:42:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 12:44:26 PM EDT by Dog1]
Get ready to have your mailbox full of junk...

I'm not a fan of them...but they will do until something better comes along.

I throw away a 30 foot tree worth's of junk mail from them every month.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 12:44:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dog1:
Get ready to have your mailbox full of junk...



That's a rare occurance?

Here's what I do with junk mail-

*Throw it away*.

I know...I know...totally revolutionary....But, hey, that's just me.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 12:48:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Goonboss:

Originally Posted By Dog1:
Get ready to have your mailbox full of junk...



That's a rare occurance?

Here's what I do with junk mail-

*Throw it away*.

I know...I know...totally revolutionary....But, hey, that's just me.



It is for me sparky...the only crap I get on a weekly basis is from them.

You may like rifling through a ton of crap for the important mail, but I don't.

If it was not for the fact that the range I belong to requires that I be a NRA member, I would have cancelled my membership a long time ago..
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 1:00:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ShadowCompany:

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
So ShadowCompany, are you going to join???



Here's how I feel about it right now. Personally, I prefer to let my voice be heard at the voting booth. I wish our government was not at a point where we have to rely on huge lobbying groups to accomplish anything. That is weekness. What good is the government then? That being said, out of the goodness of my heart and by my devotion to the RKBA, YES I WILL JOIN!



When you join. You should get the Mag. Americas First Freedom. It is worht the membership fee by itself.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 1:14:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dread-pirate:
I am NO lover of the NRA. But I am a member here is why:

In the last 2 years they have accomplished many very good legislative actions:
NOLA lawsuits
No Retreat Law/Castle Doctrine in Fl and now on pending bills in many other states
SUNSET OF THE ASSULT WEAPONS BAN
Passage of the gun makers protection act <- One of the most important laws recently for RKBA

Also I am hearing more and of the "Elmer Fudd" type hunters who are NOT friends of the Bill of Rights and who think the second ammendment means they can kill ducks. These 'Fudd Hunters who are one of our biggest enemies, are getting SICK of the NRA for pandering to the Bill of Rights and our Right to Keep and Bear arms.

These Fudds as I like to call them are quitting and I see it as the tide changing. This is the perfect time for staunch RKBA active people to join the NRA and change the organization to act more like the GOA and JPFO.

We will have much more success lobbying the NRA to become more and more strongly RKBA, and push harder with fewer compromises and introduce and support NEW legistlation freindly to the Bill of Rights and the repeal of bad laws. If more and more "Evil Black Rifle" owners join and support and LOBBY the NRA they will change and fight even more for us.

And I think that time is comming. Personally I like GOA and JPFO MUCH MORE. BUT they do not WIN anything. The NRA does. The NRA is NOT perfect. The JPFO is just about perfect but they are not nearly as effective. And that is important. If you hold out for perfect you will be defending yourself with a pointy stick instead of an AR15. The NRA is one of the PRIMARY reasons why we have gotten so much good legislation in the last few years. Lets support that.

If you don't LIKE them CHANGE them. I DO NOT like them!!!!! I LIKE JPFO. And I LIKE the GOA. But I AM an NRA member. Every time I contact them and get hit up for money, I will include a note telling them EXACTLY why I am supporting them. I say that I could care less about hunting and sporting use. I am supporting you BECAUSE you have supported RKBA better in the last 2 years. As long as RKBA is your PRIMARY reason to exist I will continue to support you. They are much more likely to listen to us than some elected looser. And the more power the NRA has the more the elected loosers have to listen to them......



Well said. [golf clap]
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 1:18:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KyBlaster:

Originally Posted By ShadowCompany:

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
So ShadowCompany, are you going to join???



Here's how I feel about it right now. Personally, I prefer to let my voice be heard at the voting booth. I wish our government was not at a point where we have to rely on huge lobbying groups to accomplish anything. That is weekness. What good is the government then? That being said, out of the goodness of my heart and by my devotion to the RKBA, YES I WILL JOIN!



When you join. You should get the Mag. Americas First Freedom. It is worht the membership fee by itself.



I sort of disagree, I think the mag is kind of lame, so I get the associate membership. I'm still showing my support, but have one less thing to throw away every month.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 1:18:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ShadowCompany:
That being said, out of the goodness of my heart and by my devotion to the RKBA, YES I WILL JOIN!


Such a devotion that you had to be convinced to join the nation's foremost protector of the 2nd Amendment?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 1:18:33 PM EDT
21 States now have "Stand Your Ground" legislation pending modeled on the Florida law, thanks to the NRA. Worth $35 right there.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 1:25:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dog1:

Originally Posted By Goonboss:

Originally Posted By Dog1:
Get ready to have your mailbox full of junk...



That's a rare occurance?

Here's what I do with junk mail-

*Throw it away*.

I know...I know...totally revolutionary....But, hey, that's just me.



It is for me sparky...the only crap I get on a weekly basis is from them.

You may like rifling through a ton of crap for the important mail, but I don't.

If it was not for the fact that the range I belong to requires that I be a NRA member, I would have cancelled my membership a long time ago..



Cry me a river..

boo hooooo hooo...WAAAAAAA!

Find another range!

The garbage can is where all the junk goes...NRA stuff inculded...Along
with all my travel stuff...Airlines..etc.

fucking boo-fucking hooo..

Seriously...Of all the stupid, BS, petty crap.........


Man, if you don't care about the 2nd....Just find another range.
There's at least two in my aarea that don't requre it.
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