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Posted: 10/8/2005 8:44:48 PM EDT
I hope this is NOT just some CYA BS(you know...........like usual)

From the Website of Congressman Walter Jones
October 8, 2005
jones.house.gov/html/release.cfm?id=339
JONES URGES PRESIDENT TO BETTER ENFORCE CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAW
Washington, D.C.- In a letter today to President Bush, Third District Representative Walter B. Jones joined Reps. John Hostettler (IN), Lamar Smith (TX), Tom Tancredo (CO) and other Members of Congress in calling for better enforcement of current immigration laws before a guest worker program is considered.

Citing their concern over the neglectful enforcement of current immigration laws, Members of Congress sent the following letter to President Bush:

We write as Members of Congress concerned about immigration. Recently there has been much discussion of new guest worker or temporary worker programs. However, we believe that there should be no new guest worker program or any expansion of the number of lawful residents in our country until the Executive Branch better enforces current immigration laws.

History has shown that enforcement provisions are ignored and underfunded while guest worker and amnesty provisions are always implemented.

The 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act contained amnesties for farm workers and other illegal aliens as well as employer sanctions and other enforcement provisions. Unfortunately, the amnesties were carried out and the enforcement was not.

The 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act also contained enforcement provisions that were not implemented. For instance, the bill mandated the implementation of a national exit-entry tracking system for all aliens. Nine years later the exit-entry system is still not near completion.

Today an estimated 12 to 20 million illegal aliens are in the United States. They know that if they successfully enter the country and find a job, they will likely be able to stay for the rest of their lives because the government has shown little interest in enforcing its own laws. Employers also know that once they hire an illegal alien, it is unlikely that they will ever be investigated or prosecuted for doing so. Enforcement of the laws against illegal immigration and employing illegal aliens is necessary.

The American people need to see that the current laws against illegal immigration are being enforced before any guest worker program can be considered.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 8:48:11 PM EDT
This is why short terms of office are a good thing...
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 8:48:21 PM EDT
They can do something about this threat to our nations security or they can all find new jobs after the next election.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 8:48:39 PM EDT
I am going to write the POTUS a letter asking him which law I may break with impunity.
I hope he makes it a profitable one.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 8:51:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By double_wielder:
I am going to write the POTUS a letter asking him which law I may break with impunity.
I hope he makes it a profitable one.



Just tell him that we want equal rights with illegal aliens
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:16:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By double_wielder:
I am going to write the POTUS a letter asking him which law I may break with impunity.
I hope he makes it a profitable one.



Just tell him that we want equal rights with illegal aliens



You know...all this sets a precedent. I understand that police powers are
to be uniformly enforced and when one law is not enforced it makes it tougher
to enforce other laws effectively.

I am waiting for a Johnny Cochran to try this defense.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:22:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 10:23:27 PM EDT by 22bad]

Originally Posted By double_wielder:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By double_wielder:
I am going to write the POTUS a letter asking him which law I may break with impunity.
I hope he makes it a profitable one.



Just tell him that we want equal rights with illegal aliens



You know...all this sets a precedent. I understand that police powers are
to be uniformly enforced and when one law is not enforced it makes it tougher
to enforce other laws effectively.

I am waiting for a Johnny Cochran to try this defense.



I don't understand why more LEOs don't speak up about the problem
they HAVE to know how serious the problem is, they see it every day
and, if the illegals can just kill THEM and escape to mexico......it impacts THEM too
mexico has several AMERICAN COP KILLERS that it will never extradite to the US
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:27:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
I hope this is NOT just some CYA BS(you know...........like usual)

From the Website of Congressman Walter Jones
October 8, 2005
jones.house.gov/html/release.cfm?id=339
JONES URGES PRESIDENT TO BETTER ENFORCE CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAW
Washington, D.C.- In a letter today to President Bush, Third District Representative Walter B. Jones joined Reps. John Hostettler (IN), Lamar Smith (TX), Tom Tancredo (CO) and other Members of Congress in calling for better enforcement of current immigration laws before a guest worker program is considered.

Citing their concern over the neglectful enforcement of current immigration laws, Members of Congress sent the following letter to President Bush:

We write as Members of Congress concerned about immigration. Recently there has been much discussion of new guest worker or temporary worker programs. However, we believe that there should be no new guest worker program or any expansion of the number of lawful residents in our country until the Executive Branch better enforces current immigration laws.

History has shown that enforcement provisions are ignored and underfunded while guest worker and amnesty provisions are always implemented.

The 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act contained amnesties for farm workers and other illegal aliens as well as employer sanctions and other enforcement provisions. Unfortunately, the amnesties were carried out and the enforcement was not.

The 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act also contained enforcement provisions that were not implemented. For instance, the bill mandated the implementation of a national exit-entry tracking system for all aliens. Nine years later the exit-entry system is still not near completion.

Today an estimated 12 to 20 million illegal aliens are in the United States. They know that if they successfully enter the country and find a job, they will likely be able to stay for the rest of their lives because the government has shown little interest in enforcing its own laws. Employers also know that once they hire an illegal alien, it is unlikely that they will ever be investigated or prosecuted for doing so. Enforcement of the laws against illegal immigration and employing illegal aliens is necessary.

The American people need to see that the current laws against illegal immigration are being enforced before any guest worker program can be considered.




Blah!! Blah!! Blah!!!! A. they are cheap labor republicans like this, and they are widely recognized to be superior in work ethic and habits than the domestic minority. Most S.Americans I have come accross are decent hard working and tax paying people illegal or not. Also everyone gripes about them in our schools and using our hospitals and not paying the bills. Americans do that too. How many of our tax dollars are wasted in the school system on problem students??????
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:38:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By double_wielder:

<snip>

I am waiting for a Johnny Cochran to try this defense.



You're gonna be waiting a long, long time, my friend. Cochran's dead.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:58:48 PM EDT
Cochran's dead LOL
I now remember that!
Thank you God!
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:59:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 11:02:03 PM EDT by 22bad]

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Blah!! Blah!! Blah!!!! A. they are cheap labor republicans like this, and they are widely recognized to be superior in work ethic and habits than the domestic minority. Most S.Americans I have come accross are decent hard working and tax paying people illegal or not. Also everyone gripes about them in our schools and using our hospitals and not paying the bills. Americans do that too. How many of our tax dollars are wasted in the school system on problem students??????



I notice in todays society
that many people don't seem
to have a value judgement for
the concept of Right or Wrong
or Legal and Illegal

I guess to some people it doesn't matter.........

Illegals are less than 10% of the population
But, 30% of our prison population are illegals
even though MOST of their crimes are IGNORED
(see special order 40 in CA, TX and others)

I'm afraid that blows the law-abiding theory out the window............
(and, you cannot claim that "the man" is keeping them down)
Maybe in YOUR state they are not AS criminally intent
but, they are sure raping and pillaging the rest of the US
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:02:00 PM EDT
bla, bla,bla.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:06:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mickdk2:
bla, bla,bla.



Its hard to come up with a logical argument for illegal activity isn't it?
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:07:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Blah!! Blah!! Blah!!!! A. they are cheap labor republicans like this, and they are widely recognized to be superior in work ethic and habits than the domestic minority. Most S.Americans I have come accross are decent hard working and tax paying people illegal or not. Also everyone gripes about them in our schools and using our hospitals and not paying the bills. Americans do that too. How many of our tax dollars are wasted in the school system on problem students??????



Then let them immigrate legally. There are alot of gang members, other criminals and possibly terrorists infiltrating this country through our southern border. That is not something that we should ignore simply because it is good for business.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:14:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Blah!! Blah!! Blah!!!! A. they are cheap labor republicans like this, and they are widely recognized to be superior in work ethic and habits than the domestic minority. Most S.Americans I have come accross are decent hard working and tax paying people illegal or not. Also everyone gripes about them in our schools and using our hospitals and not paying the bills. Americans do that too. How many of our tax dollars are wasted in the school system on problem students??????



Then let them immigrate legally. There are alot of gang members, other criminals and possibly terrorists infiltrating this country through our southern border. That is not something that we should ignore simply because it is good for business.



terrorists have been caught entering illegally, hundreds of them have NOT been caught
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:18:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Blah!! Blah!! Blah!!!! A. they are cheap labor republicans like this, and they are widely recognized to be superior in work ethic and habits than the domestic minority. Most S.Americans I have come accross are decent hard working and tax paying people illegal or not. Also everyone gripes about them in our schools and using our hospitals and not paying the bills. Americans do that too. How many of our tax dollars are wasted in the school system on problem students??????



Then let them immigrate legally. There are alot of gang members, other criminals and possibly terrorists infiltrating this country through our southern border. That is not something that we should ignore simply because it is good for business.




Do you realise how complicated that is their is no incentive to do it legally. It is a bereaucrasy in its ultimate form it can take years and that is only because thier is no accountability to achieve results in gov. employment outside Mil. or LE. Uncomplicate and speed up the process and allow more in legally and you will not have this problem.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:20:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Blah!! Blah!! Blah!!!! A. they are cheap labor republicans like this, and they are widely recognized to be superior in work ethic and habits than the domestic minority. Most S.Americans I have come accross are decent hard working and tax paying people illegal or not. Also everyone gripes about them in our schools and using our hospitals and not paying the bills. Americans do that too. How many of our tax dollars are wasted in the school system on problem students??????



Then let them immigrate legally. There are alot of gang members, other criminals and possibly terrorists infiltrating this country through our southern border. That is not something that we should ignore simply because it is good for business.



terrorists have been caught entering illegally, hundreds of them have NOT been caught




More drugs enter this country than ever before from what I hear I suspect a nice chunk comes from our "allies" in Afghanistan.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:30:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 11:30:58 PM EDT by 22bad]

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Blah!! Blah!! Blah!!!! A. they are cheap labor republicans like this, and they are widely recognized to be superior in work ethic and habits than the domestic minority. Most S.Americans I have come accross are decent hard working and tax paying people illegal or not. Also everyone gripes about them in our schools and using our hospitals and not paying the bills. Americans do that too. How many of our tax dollars are wasted in the school system on problem students??????



Then let them immigrate legally. There are alot of gang members, other criminals and possibly terrorists infiltrating this country through our southern border. That is not something that we should ignore simply because it is good for business.



terrorists have been caught entering illegally, hundreds of them have NOT been caught



More drugs enter this country than ever before from what I hear I suspect a nice chunk comes from our "allies" in Afghanistan.



So, you are saying that the terrorists that enter successfully are bringing heroin too? heh
Link Posted: 10/9/2005 12:54:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By miamilightning:

Originally Posted By double_wielder:

<snip>

I am waiting for a Johnny Cochran to try this defense.



You're gonna be waiting a long, long time, my friend. Cochran's dead.



I said a Johnny Cochran....
Link Posted: 10/9/2005 1:17:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By copenhagen:
They can do something about this threat to our nations security or they can all find new jobs after the next election.



Hopefully, they will get the message, they usually just make promises
Link Posted: 10/9/2005 2:02:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/9/2005 2:09:56 PM EDT by 22bad]

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Blah!! Blah!! Blah!!!! A. they are cheap labor republicans like this, and they are widely recognized to be superior in work ethic and habits than the domestic minority. Most S.Americans I have come accross are decent hard working and tax paying people illegal or not. Also everyone gripes about them in our schools and using our hospitals and not paying the bills. Americans do that too. How many of our tax dollars are wasted in the school system on problem students??????



Then let them immigrate legally. There are alot of gang members, other criminals and possibly terrorists infiltrating this country through our southern border. That is not something that we should ignore simply because it is good for business.



Do you realise how complicated that is their is no incentive to do it legally. It is a bereaucrasy in its ultimate form it can take years and that is only because thier is no accountability to achieve results in gov. employment outside Mil. or LE. Uncomplicate and speed up the process and allow more in legally and you will not have this problem.



Can't you take that same argument and use it for a full-auto M16\M60
it is understandable that they want to escape the corruption and economic disaster that is mexico
what is NOT understandable is why OUR GOVERNMENT will let them bring their lawlessness here
OUR GOVERNMENT has a duty to protect us and guard our borders, we may be as corrupt as them
Link Posted: 10/9/2005 3:39:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/9/2005 3:44:08 PM EDT by copenhagen]

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By mickdk2:
bla, bla,bla.



Its hard to come up with a logical argument for illegal activity isn't it?



Hard to defend the indefensible also. He had a real intelligent reply didn't he.

Also last year over 12000 potential terrorists were apprehended by the border patrol. These were people from terrorists sponsoring states. Were they jailed or deported. Hell no they were put up in a motel until we could give them a judicial hearing. Out of 12000 not a one showed up for the hearing. Where are they? Who knows.
Link Posted: 10/9/2005 9:26:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By copenhagen:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By mickdk2:
bla, bla,bla.



Its hard to come up with a logical argument for illegal activity isn't it?



Hard to defend the indefensible also. He had a real intelligent reply didn't he.

Also last year over 12000 potential terrorists were apprehended by the border patrol. These were people from terrorists sponsoring states. Were they jailed or deported. Hell no they were put up in a motel until we could give them a judicial hearing. Out of 12000 not a one showed up for the hearing. Where are they? Who knows.



SIA-special interest aliens, they have given them a pc name so we can just forget about them
Link Posted: 10/9/2005 10:31:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By double_wielder:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By double_wielder:
I am going to write the POTUS a letter asking him which law I may break with impunity.
I hope he makes it a profitable one.



Just tell him that we want equal rights with illegal aliens



You know...all this sets a precedent. I understand that police powers are
to be uniformly enforced and when one law is not enforced it makes it tougher
to enforce other laws effectively.

I am waiting for a Johnny Cochran to try this defense.



This article has the theory of Police work that you are referring to mentioned towards the end

Illegals: The Crime Rampage
By Tammy Bruce
FrontPageMagazine.com
October 7, 2005
www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19749
There are innumerable reasons to want our border secure. We know our infrastructure is being ravaged--emergency rooms overwhelmed, hospitals closing, our highways jammed, school rooms overcrowded, tax revenue lost, it goes on and on.

When illegal immigrants are discussed in the media, the picture painted is of a hard working family man or woman, the sort of person President Bush refers to when he pitches his "guest worker" program. "Hard working people who want a better way of life," is how he casts them.

While many fit that bill, the dirty little secret is the fact that illegal aliens are not only destroying our infrastructure by stealing valuable services such as health care and schooling, they're also committing horrific crimes throughout our great nation. The fact that police departments in virtually every major city (and not so major ones) spend their time responding to crime by illegal aliens, looking for the illegal alien culprits, arresting illegal aliens (when their local laws allow them to), processing them through the system, means more officers, more departments, are stretched to the limit, by people who shouldn't be here in the first place.

At the end of that road, our prison system then provides them with, shall we say, a quality of life (shelter, food, protection, health care, cable television, gyms) one would not find in regular housing in the pit of any South American city.

The latest insult to this nation, the latest slap in the face we receive by those who use this country like a convenient dish rag, is a continuation of that rape, but this time it’s a literal one.

On October 4, 2005 WKMG television in Florida reported on their website that fourteen “field laborers broke into an 18-year-old woman’s home, dragged her across the street and then took turns raping her.”

This rampaging gang of “field laborers” consisted of men ranging in age from 18 to 56. The victim reported they choked her until she passed out. When she awoke, they were pouring alcohol in her mouth. She was then raped by each and every one of them.

When these animals finished they pushed her out the front door like a piece of used meat. Somehow this girl managed to get to a phone where she called the police. Deputies arrested the 14 men who were still at the house where the rape occurred. They will be charged with kidnapping, false imprisonment, and sexual battery by multiple perpetrators. They face life in prison if convicted.

Not until we get to the end of the WKMG website story is the fact that the rapists aren’t just “farm laborers.” Indeed, they are all illegal aliens. Only at the end of their story do we learn, “Twelve of the men are from Guatemala, one from Puerto Rico and the other from Mexico.”

The rather euphemistic headline is our first clue that it’s now very politically incorrect to even state the truth about a situation when it comes to illegals. The fact is, besides the obvious primary importance of the girl being gang raped, the other clearly important cultural element is the fact that it was carried out by a gang of illegal aliens.

This is not, unfortunately, a freakish, one-of-a-kind event. Last year, Heather MacDonald, in a piece for City-Journal, which also posted at FrontPage Magazine, addressed the astounding impact of illegal alien criminals. In "Illegal Alien Crime Wave," she notes that in Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

And that’s just that statistics of one city in the midst of a nationwide problem.

Our nation's security rests on our securing the borders; that's a given. Most of our persuasion and rhetoric on the issue has been based in the points I made at the beginning of this article. I contend, however, the much-ignored security threat posed by illegal aliens is at least as insidious (if not more so) as al-Qaeda.

I know we all understand the fundamental threat of al-Qaeda, but let’s be honest: At least with radical Islamists, we have instituted a new government agency—Homeland Security—to deal with the threat. We have instituted extraordinary security to deal with potential threats. We have created no-fly lists, terrorist watch lists, and we have even turned back international flights on which there are suspiciously named people.

We have also, appropriately and to the president’s great credit and love for this nation, have gone to war to confront those who want to hurt us.

Yet, when it comes to illegal immigration, the president not only hasn’t declared war on the group responsible for a massive wave of crime including murder and rape, but wants to invite them in with a guest worker program. Instead of supporting the incredibly courageous Minuteman Project, the president calls them “vigilantes.” I wonder, how many rapes and murders were stopped because of their success in sealing the border in April? The Minutemen have returned for October, thank goodness, with 4500 hundred volunteers. This time, it’s not just Arizona, but the entire 2,000 mile Mexican/American border that is under watch.

While it is too late for the young woman in Florida, and all the others who will be victimized by illegals in the days and weeks to come, we can no longer ignore our duty to expose the dirty little secret of illegal alien crime.

In her piece, MacDonald noted:

The message could not be clearer: this is a culture that can’t enforce its most basic law of entry. If policing’s broken-windows theory is correct, the failure to enforce one set of rules breeds overall contempt for the law.

I contend, however, it’s not just contempt for the law, but contempt for the people of this nation. After all, after they pushed their victim out the door like a piece of trash, their staying on the premises said volumes. They didn't expect her to do a thing about the violence they inflicted on her. The contempt was present in the act and even after the fact.

It's time for every American to exhibit some righteous contempt of our own--contempt for being used, contempt for those who commit violence, contempt for those eating away at this nation like parasites.
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