Congressional " Response" to Hughes Amendment

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Congressional " Response" to Hughes Amendment

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:21:16 PM EDT

Mods: maybe stick this for a few days? Everyone should get working or at least know what's going on.

Photos of letter received today are below. This includes the original email that I sent to Rep. Mazie Hirono (district 2) Hawaii.

Sorry about the formatting of the pics. Can't rotate em on my phone. (AZYCH rotated them below. Thanks dude)

EDIT FOR READERS DIGEST VERSION:
A democrat rep requested congressional records look into this. I consider it a win. If the hive can come up with more info, I will forward it to her also.

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:22:10 PM EDT

[#1]

I can't read upside down and sideways and shit.

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:22:43 PM EDT

[#2]

I'm not reading upside down letter.

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:22:45 PM EDT

[#3]

You in Australia or something?

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:23:28 PM EDT

[#4]

Ffffffuuuu......

Every time I turn my iPad the pic flips

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:25:24 PM EDT

[#5]

In for fixed pics.

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:25:27 PM EDT

[#6]

Holy fuck. I humored you and read the sideways page, but then I lost it when the next one was upside down

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:26:37 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
In for fixed pics.

On my freaking phone. I can't rotate them for another week since I'm mid move. Just save as and rotate.

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:27:38 PM EDT

[#8]

Ok, I read it... are we missing several images? There's no real response there.

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:28:12 PM EDT

[#9]

Good to see.

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:28:33 PM EDT

[#10]

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:29:08 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

Holy fuck. I humored you and read the sideways page, but then I lost it when the next one was upside down

Same here.

Find the "rotate" tool.

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:32:08 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Ok, I read it... are we missing several images? There's no real response there.

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:38:53 PM EDT

[#13]

bump

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:41:47 PM EDT

[#14]

It looks like he emailed his rep, and she's sent him a copy of her inquiry to the Congressional Research Office. At least she's looking into the issue of the fraudulantly added Hughes Amendment.

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:43:01 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
It looks like he emailed his rep, and she's sent him a copy of her inquiry to the Congressional Research Office. At least she's looking into the issue of the fraudulantly added Hughes Amendment.

And a short hand-written note saying "Yo, I'm doing *something* with it. I'm at least a little bit curious."

Posted: 6/20/2011 4:52:12 PM EDT

[#16]

ALT-CTRL-DownArrow // ALT-CTRL-UpArrow

Rotate your own screen.

Posted: 6/20/2011 5:00:18 PM EDT

[#17]

It would be awesome if this goes somewhere!

Posted: 6/20/2011 5:03:39 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Ok, I read it... are we missing several images? There's no real response there.

Posted: 6/20/2011 5:29:55 PM EDT

[#19]

Bump

Posted: 6/20/2011 5:41:23 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Holy fuck. I humored you and read the sideways page, but then I lost it when the next one was upside down

Same here.

Find the "rotate" tool.

heh...All I had to do was drag the pictures to the desktop and rotate them. Easy.

Posted: 6/20/2011 5:43:26 PM EDT

[#21]

Hell, more than I was ever able to get out of John Culberson. Good for you.

Posted: 6/20/2011 5:45:06 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Ok, I read it... are we missing several images? There's no real response there.

In the second image the congressman is asking the director of research for the US Congress to check the records. It is a start. Once they have the official record of the vote, the congressman will hopefuly move forward.

Posted: 6/20/2011 5:46:02 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

I can't read upside down and sideways and shit.

Posted: 6/20/2011 5:47:45 PM EDT

[#24]

Posted: 6/20/2011 5:52:27 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
It looks like he emailed his rep, and she's sent him a copy of her inquiry to the Congressional Research Office. At least she's looking into the issue of the fraudulantly added Hughes Amendment.

"In the opinion of the Chair, the Ayes have it."

We've already done this topic. The law was passed. Need evidence? Read the U.S.C. It's right there.

Posted: 6/20/2011 6:16:34 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
It looks like he emailed his rep, and she's sent him a copy of her inquiry to the Congressional Research Office. At least she's looking into the issue of the fraudulantly added Hughes Amendment.

"In the opinion of the Chair, the Ayes have it."

We've already done this topic. The law was passed. Need evidence? Read the U.S.C. It's right there.

I messaged this to the Rep. back when we had that huge thread about it 2-3 months ago at least.

Posted: 6/20/2011 6:52:10 PM EDT

[#27]

Bumpin for the night crew

Posted: 6/20/2011 6:54:58 PM EDT

[#28]

I don't know the rules of Congress. Exactly how would this progress to strike the Hughes Amendment?

Posted: 6/20/2011 6:56:19 PM EDT

[#29]

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I don't know the rules of Congress. Exactly how would this progress to strike the Hughes Amendment?

It wouldn't.

Congress writes it's own rules for amending bills. If the congress as a whole votes to pass a bill and the President signs it, the USSC isn't going to touch it no matter what shenanigans went on during the amendment process.

And I don't mean to sound cynical, but I suspect that a lawyer could argue with perfect reason with all the sound legal arguments favoring his position... and the USSC would still find some creative way to not strike down the Hughe's amendment portion of the FOPA.

Posted: 6/20/2011 6:57:45 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
I don't know the rules of Congress. Exactly how would this progress to strike the Hughes Amendment?

Exceeds the intent and authority of the interstate commerce act.

ETA A strong congress with the will to do it could pass a law negating the effect of the Hughes amendment by making it legal to manufacture new machineguns for civilian use.

Do I think it will happen? No. Can you imagine the media hysteria?

I still have dreams about $900 M16s though, like the one I picked up and fondled in a gun store in 1984 and almost bought.

Posted: 6/20/2011 6:58:54 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I don't know the rules of Congress. Exactly how would this progress to strike the Hughes Amendment?

Exceeds the intent and authority of the interstate commerce act clause

You do not want to go before the USSC on those grounds. You will lose. Gonzalez v Raich was not very long ago.

Posted: 6/20/2011 7:00:52 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I don't know the rules of Congress. Exactly how would this progress to strike the Hughes Amendment?

Exceeds the intent and authority of the interstate commerce act clause

You do not want to go before the USSC on those grounds. You will lose. Gonzalez v Raich was not very long ago.

But don't you agree that it does?

Posted: 6/20/2011 7:58:16 PM EDT

[#33]

Everybody KNOWS that it exceeds their right to regulate interstate commerce, and violates the CORE reason for the 2A, the ability of the citizenry to defend themselves against the government. The common battlefield weapons of the day CERTAINLY fall in the protection of the 2nd Amendment.

However, as others have stated, nothing outside of passing a law striking 922 (o) can be done about the way the Hughes Amendment made it into the final bill. It would have to be the perfect circumstances for a law to happen. Huge conservative majorities in Congress and a conservative President, or someone getting into some HUGE bill and sneaking it by. Even if that happened though, and it was repealed, and then the crapstorm happens, I don't know how many legislators would have the nads to stick up for it.

Also, as someone already noted, a Commerce Clause argument before SCOTUS would certainly lose, as the court has taken the position that basically EVERYTHING falls under the purview of the Commerce Clause, even intrastate purchase of something illegal. The best court argument would probably be basically a revisit of Miller, arguing that the 2A allows for weapons that in common use in the military.

Posted: 6/20/2011 9:24:15 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Mods: maybe stick this for a few days? Everyone should get working or at least know what's going on.

Photos of letter received today are below. This includes the original email that I sent to Rep. Mazie Hirono (district 2) Hawaii.

Sorry about the formatting of the pics. Can't rotate em on my phone. (AZYCH rotated them below. Thanks dude)

EDIT FOR READERS DIGEST VERSION:

A democrat rep requested congressional records look into this. I consider it a win. If the hive can come up with more info, I will forward it to her also.

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Damnit... I actually had to flip my monitor upside down and sideways and crap just to read that stuff...

You dont know how to rotate a picture!?