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Posted: 12/9/2002 5:14:07 PM EDT
I took my 12 year old son out of school for one day to go deer hunting last Friday. We called the school and were honest and told them that he would be out for the day hunting deer. The office excused the absence and wrote deer hunting down as reason on absentee slip my son was to show all his teachers today. Upon turning in slip to his science teacher today, the teacher said "You skipped school to go deer hunting. That's pathetic. I can't believe they excused you for that." My son was smart and didn't reply. He just sat back down.
My first instinct is to rip him a new ...hole and put this worthless piece of .... in his place, BUT he is also head football coach. My son will play next year and this guy WILL hold a grudge and take it out on my son during football. Because of what I do, my son may not get to play much and have to set on the sidelines. What would you do? |
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You have about a year to get him replaced (the coach/teacher, that is).
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Ah, he's just an a-hole. Your son missed one freaking day of junior high school. Are you really gonna sweat this? You dont know whether he'll cut or bench your kid next year, and if the prospect really bothers you, give the teacher some venison or something.
And if he DOES cut or bench your kid, plant child pornography in his car or something. Frame him. |
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I say whip his ass and then let him know that there's more where that came from if he doesn't keep his nose clean. Then offer him some deer jerky. But that's just me.
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the head football coach does not understand pulling a boy out of school for deer hunting?
that's pathetic. where I come ditching school to hunt is a right of passage. science hu? it this guy a bio teacher? my sophomore year I head shot a doe and we packed the full torso less back straps in dry ice and presented it to my bio teacher who dissected it in front of the class. can you say instant A!!! |
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I would confront him on the matter.
Talk about quality time. Biology..... Heck when I gut a deer with my son he learns more about anatomy then any school could ever teach him.... Here son...hold this liver!,,,,,,SPLAT! They do not get that in school.. The more we let these freaks get away with,....the more they try! |
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With all the liberal teachers we have nowadays why would you tell them that you took your son out of school to go hunting ? You should of just told them he was sick and saved yourself alot of frustration.
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Quoted: Shoot his nuts off! View Quote He doesn't have any! If he did he'd understand. hunterwarrior, Salute, Upgrade, True North! You did a great and wonderful thing for your son. Tell that pissant science teacher that he was on a field trip nd learned more about science in one day than he has in his class all year! PONY_DRIVER |
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The first day of deer season used to be a holiday around here (no shit). I know a lot of kids in school are taken out by their parents on the first day and skip school.
My suggestion would be to keep your trap shut. If you play Mr. Big Man, the science teacher will take it out on your son (he will find ways that are legit [b][i]BELIEVE ME[/b][/i]), which could jeopardize his academic future. It happened to me in the past in public schools, trust me, the school system will side with the teacher and your son will get the shaft. He will be labelled a "problem" for the rest of his school career and be treated as such. |
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Quoted: With all the liberal teachers we have nowadays why would you tell them that you took your son out of school to go hunting ? You should of just told them he was sick and saved yourself alot of frustration. View Quote Oh yeah, let's hide from the big bad teacher. Screw that. I'd take him out a day next week and tell them that you two were going to a big machinegun shoot and a precision rifle training class. If you can't beat em then scare the shit out of them so bad that they give up. |
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Quoted: Shoot his nuts off! View Quote hey! quit using my line!![}:D] |
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dont worry about it , alot of things can happen in a year. coaches and teachers change schools all the time.
most coaches are asses from what i remember when i was in school. |
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I say take the teacher deer hunting and give him the special antler hat to wear, to be one with the deer. [}:D]
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Quoted: With all the liberal teachers we have nowadays why would you tell them that you took your son out of school to go hunting ? You should of just told them he was sick and saved yourself alot of frustration. View Quote You don't instill honesty in a child by teaching him to lie. Along with other things, our duty is to teach our young "To Ride, Shoot Straight and to Speak the TRUTH." I really didn't care if it was excused or unexcused. He is my child and I will do as I please regardless of what any liberal (or conservative) teacher thinks about it. |
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there's NO WAY i'd let that go unchallenged. i agree with storm; "The more we let these freaks get away with,....the more they try!"
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What's his beef?
That your kid missed a day of school for something that was non-emergency nor closely personal in nature? Or was it more of a PC, anti-hunting, anti-gun thing? Anyhow, if he has any complaint it's with the front office. They gave you/your son the go ahead. |
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Your son did the right thing. I don't see any reason to make a big deal out of this. Was he punished? Did the teacher refuse to let him make up the work he missed? The teacher is a jerk, make no mistake about it. But one day your son is going to have to learn to deal with people like that. Haven't you ever had to work for someone you didn't like or that didn't like you? It's part of life. Maybe your son learned a very important lesson.
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hunterwarrior, having been in the communist...oops, education, field before, I know that teachers get shitty over ANYTHING that does not surround them. I wouldn't tell the teacher anything, but I would worry about your son being "influenced" by his future coaching. "Coaches" are looked at by kids as more than just a person telling where the throw the ball or who to hit...do you really want your kid under his spell?
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Well, if this is the worse thing that ever happens, count yourselves lucky. Seriously, just let this small, insignificant matter blow by. The guy probably wont remember saying it the next day; you probably shouldn't either
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if i was your son i probably would have ended up in the principals office at best [:D]
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Have your son take a tape recorder to school tomorrow in his pocket. Have him goto the teacher and (turn on the recorder) and say that he felt that this was an inappropriate answer and felt that it was less than respectful to you and your family for how he is raised. Then have him ask for an apology.
This would end one of a few ways. 1) he appologizes. 2) he tells your son to f-off. 3)he respects your son for saying what he felt. Is it legal to record it? Hell, I don't know. |
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Don't try to fight a battle you can't win. Besides, how would you even define winning? An insincere apology from the guy? Is there anything realistic that you think you think you could accomplish? I doubt it.
My son was smart and didn't reply. He just sat back down. View Quote I agree, smart. Some people might think that's being a sheep, but I'd consider it keeping your head down until you pick a battle you can win.z |
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Quoted: Quoted: With all the liberal teachers we have nowadays why would you tell them that you took your son out of school to go hunting ? You should of just told them he was sick and saved yourself alot of frustration. View Quote You don't instill honesty in a child by teaching him to lie. Along with other things, our duty is to teach our young "To Ride, Shoot Straight and to Speak the TRUTH." I really didn't care if it was excused or unexcused. He is my child and I will do as I please regardless of what any liberal (or conservative) teacher thinks about it. View Quote I agree with you hunterwarrior. Teach your kids to tell the truth - they should not lie and say they were sick when they were not - but you may wish to consider phrasing the statement differently. Something like "My son and I are conducting a field study of the habitat and habits of the (insert place here - local, or otherwise) (insert game here - whitetail, duck, dove, moose, etc) population. When I was in high school a few years back, my dad handed in a number of absence notes similar to the one above. The teachers who got them knew I was going hunting, and didn't give me a hard time about it - but that is not to say that your son's science teacher would appreciate a note of this type either. It is sad that a biology teacher would say something like this and that you would have to worry about a coach with a grudge, but you did the right thing by telling the truth. |
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I think you guys may all be jumping all over it for the wrong reasons. I imagine it may not be the "hunting" part that he finds inappropriate, but the fact that the administration gave an excused absence for what was nothing more than fun and recreation.
I guess it all depends what the standard for an excused absence is - is an excused absence anything the parent says is okay, or does the school have to make a judgment call? Otherwise, would you expect an excused absence if you decided to take your son to the strip bar instead of school? That may be another person's "rite of passage" for his son. What about the excused absence for a mom to take her kid to the amusement park for the day instead of going to school. I got no beef with people having priorities and wanting to do things like hunt, but I'm not sure I see why it should be an "excused" absence. Again - I don't know what the schools rules are. If excused just means that the parent approves, then the teacher should take his beef up with the school about their policy in private - with the school administration. I can understand why the teacher might have been beefed at the school's adminstration for the message it sends to anyone else that it's okay ditch school for something fun. It's the precedent that would bother me - not whatever the activity happens to be. |
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I like the idea of taking him out for a "big gun meet", and get together of gun owners and hunters. Then for parents night in the future I would make sure I had quality time to tell the guy about my hunting exploits.
Do NOT back down because of football. Fuck football.....your kid isn't going to the NFL is he? If he is THAT good.....go to another school. Fuck that teacher......and tell him to go fuck himself. Make sure the meeting is with the principal, the guidance counselor and you and your wife. Let them know that the school is there to teach your son the things he's in class to learn, if you wanted them to judge his extracurricular activities you will ask in writing for their fucking opinion. No psort is worth comprimising your morals. I was labeled "trouble" by my parents' action for a shitty teacher once....thing was I was so superior in all the classework that they couldn't say shit any way they sliced it. I had to have one english grade reviewed by the English chair in high school, but that went well considering I got a C on a paper that was later turned in to an A, by the English chair and English department principal. Major egg on teacher's face...... You MAKE SURE YOU LET THEM KNOW YOU ARE NOT FUCKING AROUND. THEN YOU TELL YOUR SON THAT HE BETTER NOT FUCK AROUND. It will work out in the end..... |
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DK-Prof, nothing more than fun and recreation? Have you hunted before with a younger person? I would say it is much more than fun and recreation.
How about strengthening the bond between parent and child. How about getting to know your child better, sharing life experiences. It is a shame more people don't go hunting with their children or even talk to them for that fact. |
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Let's see:
Deer hunting is Pathetic, Makes sure the team showers after practice. Yup: HOMO in fact: Head HOMO. My vote: Ass kicking with the promise of a "Fresh One" if your son rides the pines. [:)>] |
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Quoted: I think you guys may all be jumping all over it for the wrong reasons. I imagine it may not be the "hunting" part that he finds inappropriate, but the fact that the administration gave an excused absence for what was nothing more than fun and recreation. I guess it all depends what the standard for an excused absence is - is an excused absence anything the parent says is okay, or does the school have to make a judgment call? Otherwise, would you expect an excused absence if you decided to take your son to the strip bar instead of school? That may be another person's "rite of passage" for his son. What about the excused absence for a mom to take her kid to the amusement park for the day instead of going to school. I got no beef with people having priorities and wanting to do things like hunt, but I'm not sure I see why it should be an "excused" absence. Again - I don't know what the schools rules are. If excused just means that the parent approves, then the teacher should take his beef up with the school about their policy in private - with the school administration. I can understand why the teacher might have been beefed at the school's adminstration for the message it sends to anyone else that it's okay ditch school for something fun. It's the precedent that would bother me - not whatever the activity happens to be. View Quote The Teacher/Adult should know better than to slam something the kid spent all year waiting for. If he had a problem he should call the father or the Principal and voice his opinion. It's not like the kid attended an NEA convention of something equally Un-American. [:)>] |
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This is just one of the MANY reasons why no one should have their children in public school. It is your responsibility to raise/educate your children and no one elses.
We homeschooled our two through high school. They have both graduated from college. One teaches elementary level in a private school and one teaches college level math. Neither have turned out near as wierd as their dad is :). Public school has had what, a hundred years or so to prove itself? It was a bad idea to begin with and will only get worse. NMSight. And yes, I AM opinionated |
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I myself is not a fan of absenting ANY school days... but given full approval from his parent, engaging in a lawful activity that is not only recreation activity but also teaches the boy "survival skills" is pathetic? I don't think so. I consider this excuse much better and reasonable than skipping school because someone caught a bearable cold.
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One more Rant:
There is a growing fear in many towns that thier kid will not play if you piss off the coach. I direct a 400 plus player program and those coaches are becoming a thing of the past. The National trend toward violence at Youth Sporting events has caused Directors and Boards to screen much more thoroughly than in the past. We will never know how many kids could have enjoyed sports for a couple more years but quit because of the "Old School" Coach's son always plays mentality. [:)>] |
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My sons are both responsible young man, as I am sure yours is.
F%*! this guy. The opinion of some teacher in a government school matters very little in the long run. Teach you son that. If this has been an isolated incident, let it go. If the teacher just can't let it go, have a sit-down with the teacher. Make yourself known to this man. People are generally ready to piss their pants if you directly confront them. I'm not saying to get in his face, just let him try talking shit to a grown man.. face to face. Most people just don't have the nuts to talk smack... at least that is my experience. PITSNIPE - out |
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Six words:
CHILD PORNOGRAPHY FOUND IN TEACHER'S CAR Revenge is AWESOME! CJ |
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I say don't sweat it, who cares what some teacher thinks. Let it pass. Hopefully everybody will forget the whole thing and move on, and that way you dont have to worry about next year.
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Definitely confront him on it. But make it clear to him that you will be back in his face (and more perhaps) if he tries to retaliate against your son (worded diplomatically, but get the point across firmly).
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My experience with coaches has found 100% of them, to date, to be jerks. IMHO sports are the biggest negative in schools today! I HATE ball sports!
The teacher was out of line. To do nothing is to show approval of his improper actions. Question him, politely, about the incident. If the explanation is respectful and accurate, act accordingly. If he is a bed wetting liberal anti or coach type with delusions of grandeur (like most of them) then file a formal complaint. If he tries the overbearing teacher/coach thing, consider whipping his ass. |
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Based on experience, I gotta take a slightly different tack on this :
Any chance the teacher was misquoted, misunderstood, or was making a tongue-in-cheek remark? I can imagine a teacher who's also a hunter making a remark like that in fun. Does the teacher otherwise have a reputation for being a "green", anti-hunting or similar? Reason I mention this - on another board I frequent, one of the members there had a similar situation come up : a science teacher made a remark that seemed to promote terrorist rumor-mongering, and the student told her parents about it. No details - take too long to explain - but both the student and parents are smart, down to earth folks. The parents wanted to confront the teacher but another member on our board - a teacher - prescribed a different approach, less hostile. Turns out the teacher was seriously misunderstood while teaching an example of rumor-mongering, not practicing it. If you pursue this, approach this in a manner of fact finding, not accusing. Kids - like other people - make mistakes and can take things the wrong way, especially if it's "adult" subtle humor. Bottom line, if it IS a misunderstanding you may be making an enemy if you approach this in a hostile way. And if it's not a misunderstanding, you'll find out soon enough and can deal with it appropriately. |
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Stand your ground by being strong in your and your sons convictions will make him think less of any points he may think that may have made in his dumb ass replys!
Remind him that a country boy would some times miss weeks at a time when the harvest came in(summer break wasn't always about screwing off the whole summer trying to find ways to keep your bored children entertained). There was work to be done,hay to be put up,game to be harvested! Don't be harsh with him just firm! HHoooRRaHHH! Also let him know that an excused absence is just that ! And what ever you do you will not succed in screwing up my day,as only I can do that and I will not allow it! By being that strong he will either spit in your face or shake your hand! My guess is that he will shake your hand,if not then all bets are off as to how you handle it! You sound like a good father,go with it! Bob [:D] |
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I'll hazard a guess you're just blowing off steam here and you already know that what your son did was the right response.
Mixing it up after one smart-ass comment is what juveniles do. |
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Be the bigger man.
Invite him for dinner - venison (assuming you shot a deer). Make it clear that you will adjust to his schedule if needed. How he responds to the invite will tell you whether he is an anti-hunting PETA freak or just doesn't consider hunting a valid excuse. Either way, it will give the teacher a humorous anecdote to tell for years (whether he accepts the ivite or not) and he will likely look back on that incident with a good-natured chuckle instead of disdain. Adam (catching flies with honey since 1975) |
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Quoted: Quoted: I think you guys may all be jumping all over it for the wrong reasons. I imagine it may not be the "hunting" part that he finds inappropriate, but the fact that the administration gave an excused absence for what was nothing more than fun and recreation. I guess it all depends what the standard for an excused absence is - is an excused absence anything the parent says is okay, or does the school have to make a judgment call? Otherwise, would you expect an excused absence if you decided to take your son to the strip bar instead of school? That may be another person's "rite of passage" for his son. What about the excused absence for a mom to take her kid to the amusement park for the day instead of going to school. I got no beef with people having priorities and wanting to do things like hunt, but I'm not sure I see why it should be an "excused" absence. Again - I don't know what the schools rules are. If excused just means that the parent approves, then the teacher should take his beef up with the school about their policy in private - with the school administration. I can understand why the teacher might have been beefed at the school's adminstration for the message it sends to anyone else that it's okay ditch school for something fun. It's the precedent that would bother me - not whatever the activity happens to be. View Quote The Teacher/Adult should know better than to slam something the kid spent all year waiting for. If he had a problem he should call the father or the Principal and voice his opinion. It's not like the kid attended an NEA convention of something equally Un-American. [:)>] View Quote Yeah - I totally agree. It sounds like the teach has an issue with the school's policy - and he should take it up with the school, not comment on it in front of the kid. But I still think there's an issue here - which is whether or not parents get to decide wha tis an excused absence or the school does. Defcon - I completely agree that hunting is a important thing and one that father and son SHOULD do together - but are you going to give that same "excused" absence to the dad who wants to take his son to smoke pot with him instead of going to school because he honestly BELIEVES it's as important as you and I believe hunting is?? That is the issue to me - because lots of people are fuckin' morons, and do not have the best judgment. Maybe the solution is that he can smoke pot with HIS kid on the weekend, and you and I can take OUR kids hunting on the weekend. Why I don't get is why it has to happen on a school day (all hunting seasons I know of span at least one weekend, often two). When I was a kid you went to school during the week, and did the fun son-dad stuff on the weekend. [:)] |
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Quoted: Six words: CHILD PORNOGRAPHY FOUND IN TEACHER'S CAR Revenge is AWESOME! CJ View Quote Just to be the whiny bitch here [;D] - but I do find it disturbing that two people so far have suggested this to a guy asking for advice on how to deal with a teacher. Yeah - that sure would be a great way to deal with someone with whom you have a difference of opinion and who has never harmed you - Destroy his life. And what a wonderful lesson it would teach your child. I sincerely hope that you and raven are joking about this. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I think you guys may all be jumping all over it for the wrong reasons. I imagine it may not be the "hunting" part that he finds inappropriate, but the fact that the administration gave an excused absence for what was nothing more than fun and recreation. I guess it all depends what the standard for an excused absence is - is an excused absence anything the parent says is okay, or does the school have to make a judgment call? Otherwise, would you expect an excused absence if you decided to take your son to the strip bar instead of school? That may be another person's "rite of passage" for his son. What about the excused absence for a mom to take her kid to the amusement park for the day instead of going to school. I got no beef with people having priorities and wanting to do things like hunt, but I'm not sure I see why it should be an "excused" absence. Again - I don't know what the schools rules are. If excused just means that the parent approves, then the teacher should take his beef up with the school about their policy in private - with the school administration. I can understand why the teacher might have been beefed at the school's adminstration for the message it sends to anyone else that it's okay ditch school for something fun. It's the precedent that would bother me - not whatever the activity happens to be. View Quote The Teacher/Adult should know better than to slam something the kid spent all year waiting for. If he had a problem he should call the father or the Principal and voice his opinion. It's not like the kid attended an NEA convention of something equally Un-American. [:)>] View Quote Yeah, you're right, freedome of expression...how un-American. I agree with DKprof, it isn't about hunting, its about taking kids out of school for "fun", even if that fun does involve bonding and teaching valuable life lessons to your son. I remember when I was a kid, there were other kids getting pulled out of school for weeks at a time to go on vacation. I also agree with the group that says let it go. Why start a war with this nitwit? See if it progresses to anything else. Its very likely that although the teacher doesn't agree wtih taking a child out of school for fun, he's more mature than some of the respondents to this post and wasn't even thinking about it 10 minutes later. Don't let all the internet tough guys with their "I'd do this and I'd do that..." bullshit influence you into making a non-situation into something its not. You said your kid was smart by not responding, so obviously he learned those smarts from you. I say follow his lead. |
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Billy Crystal aka Dr. Paul Sobal,
as a trained physcologist(sp)would still give this guy a "Fresh One". [:)>] |
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Hell, where I grew up, half the junior and senior class took the whole week off during gun season.
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Quoted: Quoted: Six words: CHILD PORNOGRAPHY FOUND IN TEACHER'S CAR Revenge is AWESOME! CJ View Quote Just to be the whiny bitch here [;D] - but I do find it disturbing that two people so far have suggested this to a guy asking for advice on how to deal with a teacher. Yeah - that sure would be a great way to deal with someone with whom you have a difference of opinion and who has never harmed you - Destroy his life. And what a wonderful lesson it would teach your child. I sincerely hope that you and raven are joking about this. View Quote I'm really not sure if I'm joking about it or not! You see, on one side, I have a HIGHLY developed sense of revenge. I'm the sort of guy who'd chase an enemy into the grave to finish him off even if it meant I might not get out of it. But on the other side, I also don't see any merit in trashing someone's whole life for something that quite frankly, doesn't deserve it. I despise police who plant evidence and I should hold myself to the same standard. But in the case being discussed, I think SOME form of retaliation is warranted. However it should be a moderate response as the offending act wasn't really very serious. Annoying, yes. Aggravating, yes. Un-called-for, definitely. Honestly, I don't quite know what I'd do. I have to choose a reasonable middle ground between "turn the other cheek" and "Revenge is a dish best served cold." CJ |
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Anybody who has ever actually confronted a teacher with facts knows that the story changes from what really happened to some interpretation, that makes things seem OK, of what happened. Anybody remember the shitbird who chastised the Air Force Cadet and then backed off everything?
If not for our, and others, no nonsense, take no excuses style, that shitbird would still be propogating his crap to how many countless students? My parents got similar results in my school career. I would tell them the responses of administrators, teachers and the like how I saw them. They would ask me tough questions about it and then approach the administration with a fact finding mission. During two of the meetings the teachers attempted to blame me, until pressed, then they admitted they "might" have said some of those things. This came to light when my dad offered to bring me in so I could verify what the lady was saying..... When confronted with the possibilty of losing their job/tenure or eating a little crow and cutting the BS out.....they usually try to reform their ways, or they end up losing their job for pent up anger being released at the best (worst) times. Unchecked it grows and grows and grows. I say at the very least you check it out with the principal, teacher, and you wife in a meeting. Clear the air, and let the school know where you stand. However, my above post stands as witness that not all of the school systems are there for the betterment of the students. Ed |
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I'm outraged, imagine a teacher that cares whether his students are in class or not!!! Unbelievable!!!
It's a matter of priorities. School attendance is a serious matter. Maybe going deer hunting is worth skipping, maybe not. But I wouldn't be upset if a teacher questioned skipping school for a recreational activity, even if that activity has many redeeming qualities, which hunting does. It sounds like maybe you have an issue with being questioned at all. Either that or you already felt a little guilt about it and this exacerbated that guilt. I am a hunter, and a college professor, and I have to deal with class absences on a daily basis. |
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Quoted: Defcon - I completely agree that hunting is a important thing and one that father and son SHOULD do together - but are you going to give that same "excused" absence to the dad who wants to take his son to smoke pot with him instead of going to school because he honestly BELIEVES it's as important as you and I believe hunting is?? That is the issue to me - because lots of people are fuckin' morons, and do not have the best judgment. View Quote Hehehe, if the father had enough balls to come and tell me he wanted his son out of school for a day to smoke pot, I would give him the day off. I would also try and help provide the father with an all expense paid vacation. One is legal and the other is less than legal (not that I completely agree smoking pot should be illegal). I get your gist though. But if a father wanted to take his son down to wall street or take him to an art museum or take him to spend some time cutting some winter firewood, I would excuse it. Time with family is so important, I am glad we agree. People are "fucking morons"! I never knew we had so much in common. LMAO! |
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