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Posted: 6/3/2010 8:05:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 8:06:18 AM EDT by RedDogSoldier]
My wife is a retail manager at a high-end clothing store in a mall in Dallas that markets to a wealthy demographic. Pretty much the only people that shop there are wealthy women or gays.





This particular company has a line of clothing featuring "witty" political slogans. The proceeds from this line go to a fund for AIDS research. The most recent t-shirt calls for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" to be repealed. Whatever.





This gets interesting when my wife's boss tried to tell her to wear this shirt at an upcoming event. She refused, and the subject was dropped.





Then, the same boss told my wife that she had to walk in a Gay Pride parade. Apparently, the CEO of the corporation wants the store represented there. Again, she refused. When asked why, she simply replied, "I'm not gay."





What the hell.

 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 8:08:27 AM EDT
I'm just gonna tag this to see if any labor attorneys want to respond...
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 8:11:49 AM EDT
Wonder what her boss would have said had it been asked if CCW was welcome in the store and to put up a sign indicating that? I bet he wouldnt have liked that at all


Originally Posted By RedDogSoldier:
My wife is a retail manager at a high-end clothing store in a mall in Dallas that markets to a wealthy demographic. Pretty much the only people that shop there are wealthy women or gays.

This particular company has a line of clothing featuring "witty" political slogans. The proceeds from this line go to a fund for AIDS research. The most recent t-shirt calls for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" to be repealed. Whatever.

This gets interesting when my wife's boss tried to tell her to wear this shirt at an upcoming event. She refused, and the subject was dropped.

Then, the same boss told my wife that she had to walk in a Gay Pride parade. Apparently, the CEO of the corporation wants the store represented there. Again, she refused. When asked why, she simply replied, "I'm not gay."

What the hell.  


Link Posted: 6/3/2010 8:18:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 8:18:37 AM EDT by sd_norske]
If he's not punishing her for refusing then just let it go.  If the boss is only reprimanded then he or she gets mad at your wife and childish passive aggressiveness ensues.  If they are fired then everybody blames your wife and childish passive aggressiveness ensues.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 8:21:10 AM EDT
If they ASK and when told no they drop it, BFD.

If told they have to, well, that is different.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 8:25:40 AM EDT
My mom was told that she "had" to phone bank to get a budget override passed for the school district she worked at. She told them 1) she would quit if push came to shove and that 2) she would rather be unemployed than see them swindle the area with another bull shit override.



The override was not passed and she doesn't not have a job next fall.



This is a good thing, because the district got the last override to build a new high school, and spend the money remodeling the current one and bloating their budget for stupid shit. They now want a new high school.

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 8:26:28 AM EDT
Hate to say it as I know jobs aren't plentiful, but......
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 8:34:47 AM EDT
Both requests are sexual harassment.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 8:40:33 AM EDT
The owner of the company I work has done similar things. It was crazy during the election as she posted anti Obama signs and printed off bumper stickers with Obama and the hammer and sickle. Funny yes, but not for the office in my opinion.
She even sent out a few anti socialist emails to everyone and her recent interest is making everyone volunteer at random places. (feed the hungry, habitat for humanity)

Not against it any of it, just against how it is forced upon everyone.

I once had a manager conduct prayer meetings before work on work grounds. He asked me if I objected to it, I said no, but others may differ in their opinions on it.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 8:43:41 AM EDT
Never, ever talk politics in a work environment, unless it is VERY apparent that everyone is on the same page.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 8:44:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jcncc:
Both requests are sexual harassment.


You'll need to back that up with facts and law.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:05:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CWO:
Originally Posted By jcncc:
Both requests are sexual harassment.


You'll need to back that up with facts and law.


Nope.. She's a woman. She has a vagina. Her boss has a penis. Ergo, anything said at work she doesn't like creates a hostile work environment, and constitutes sexual harassment.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:07:52 AM EDT
Maybe we should start a letter campaign asking them to stock some "I love George Bush" and "No thanks I'm straight" T-shirts.

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:08:48 AM EDT
Sorry to say, but it is a free country.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:10:14 AM EDT



Originally Posted By mcnielsen:


Sorry to say, but it is a free country.






 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:11:35 AM EDT
If they drop it after asking, it's a non-issue.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:16:24 AM EDT
If my boss told me he wanted me to represent the company at some public event, I would damn sure be getting paid to do it.  And as long as I was just doing a job I wouldn't care what cause the event supported.  
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:36:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HarryStone:
If my boss told me he wanted me to represent the company at some public event, I would damn sure be getting paid to do it.  And as long as I was just doing a job I wouldn't care what cause the event supported.  


really, so you are saying you would go to a Brady campaign rally if your boss paid you?


Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:52:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
If they drop it after asking, it's a non-issue.


this.

your employer can ask you to wear particular cloths for an event and attend anything open to the public. If punishment happens, then it's an issue. Otherwise it is not.

your wife can always cave and then call in sick for the event.

I'm not a lawyer
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:00:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
My mom was told that she "had" to phone bank to get a budget override passed for the school district she worked at. She told them 1) she would quit if push came to shove and that 2) she would rather be unemployed than see them swindle the area with another bull shit override.

The override was not passed and she doesn't not have a job next fall.

This is a good thing, because the district got the last override to build a new high school, and spend the money remodeling the current one and bloating their budget for stupid shit. They now want a new high school.


Well great... there go your basement living accommodations...  

j/k... good for your mom!  I hope she finds a real job in the private sector soon.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:02:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sajer:
The owner of the company I work has done similar things. It was crazy during the election as she posted anti Obama signs and printed off bumper stickers with Obama and the hammer and sickle. Funny yes, but not for the office in my opinion.
She even sent out a few anti socialist emails to everyone and her recent interest is making everyone volunteer at random places. (feed the hungry, habitat for humanity)

Not against it any of it, just against how it is forced upon everyone.

I once had a manager conduct prayer meetings before work on work grounds. He asked me if I objected to it, I said no, but others may differ in their opinions on it.


I once had a place tell me that part of their performance review criteria was based on how we "gave back" during United Way drives.  I told them to FOAD and quit.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:11:59 AM EDT
She's free to quit.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:20:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CWO:
Originally Posted By jcncc:
Both requests are sexual harassment.


You'll need to back that up with facts and law.


Both suggestions are relating to sex and are a attempt to force a employee to demonstrate a sexual preference. If the employer forces the issue he will lose. Pretty open and shut case actually.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:23:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RedDogSoldier:
Then, the same boss told my wife that she had to walk in a Gay Pride parade. Apparently, the CEO of the corporation wants the store represented there. Again, she refused. When asked why, she simply replied, "I'm not gay."


They didn't specify what kind of signs she had to carry, did they??  LOOPHOLE!!!

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:31:01 AM EDT
They won't fire her, she's already put in for her permanent "maternity leave" or whatever civilian companies call it.



I wasn't trying to imply that I was planning on suing or anything. It was just more of a
moment.



All the other managers are males and flaming homos, by the way.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:31:54 AM EDT



Originally Posted By jcncc:


Both requests are sexual harassment.


No shit.



 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:34:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By timpryor:
Originally Posted By HarryStone:
If my boss told me he wanted me to represent the company at some public event, I would damn sure be getting paid to do it.  And as long as I was just doing a job I wouldn't care what cause the event supported.  


really, so you are saying you would go to a Brady campaign rally if your boss paid you?




Yep.  I don't think me standing there gawking at idiots makes any difference to anyone but me when I'd cash the check.  

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:36:33 AM EDT



Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:





Originally Posted By jcncc:

Both requests are sexual harassment.


No shit.

 


Off subject:



Gonzo, will you please stop changing your avatar? It confuses the shit out of me.



 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:41:22 AM EDT



Originally Posted By SP1Guy:



Originally Posted By CWO:


Originally Posted By jcncc:

Both requests are sexual harassment.




You'll need to back that up with facts and law.




Nope.. She's a woman. She has a vagina. Her boss has a penis. Ergo, anything said at work she doesn't like creates a hostile work environment, and constitutes sexual harassment.



A hostile work environment can come from more than sexual harassment.



 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:44:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RedDogSoldier:
My wife is a retail manager at a high-end clothing store in a mall in Dallas that markets to a wealthy demographic. Pretty much the only people that shop there are wealthy women or gays.

This particular company has a line of clothing featuring "witty" political slogans. The proceeds from this line go to a fund for AIDS research. The most recent t-shirt calls for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" to be repealed. Whatever.

This gets interesting when my wife's boss tried to tell her to wear this shirt at an upcoming event. She refused, and the subject was dropped.

Then, the same boss told my wife that she had to walk in a Gay Pride parade. Apparently, the CEO of the corporation wants the store represented there. Again, she refused. When asked why, she simply replied, "I'm not gay."

What the hell.  


The boss "told" your wife she had to walk in a gay pride parade??? if so, he's fucked! that's a big NO NO! and she should speak to higher ups about this, that kind of crap can't be tolerated!
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:47:40 AM EDT
You know who do a good job making sure this kind of shit doesn't go on in her workplace?

A Union.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:55:13 AM EDT



Originally Posted By motown_steve:


You know who do a good job making sure this kind of shit doesn't go on in her workplace?



A Union.


Yeah, because being in a union always means that you'll never have to do something against your will......



If she were to join a union, instead of just not participating, the union will threaten to break her knees.



 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:56:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 10:56:58 AM EDT by happycynic]





Originally Posted By Bubbles:



I'm just gonna tag this to see if any labor attorneys want to respond...



For $200 an hour I will.  







 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:59:15 AM EDT
If you are going to work for such a company, and be a higher up, you have to participate in their stupid community building stuff.  United Way, walks that do nothing, bake sales that make $40 for aids research but cost the company 2,500 in labor to setup.

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:05:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
You know who do a good job making sure this kind of shit doesn't go on in her workplace?

A Union.

Yeah, because being in a union always means that you'll never have to do something against your will......

If she were to join a union, instead of just not participating, the union will threaten to break her knees.
 


Heard that on Glen Beck did ya?
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:08:35 AM EDT



Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:





Originally Posted By motown_steve:

You know who do a good job making sure this kind of shit doesn't go on in her workplace?



A Union.


Yeah, because being in a union always means that you'll never have to do something against your will......



If she were to join a union, instead of just not participating, the union will threaten to break her knees want her to participate in picket lines.

 






 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:15:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
You know who do a good job making sure this kind of shit doesn't go on in her workplace?

A Union.


NOT
CWA was always pushing for United Way with the company. I told them both to bite me
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:20:09 AM EDT




Originally Posted By Strykewolf:

If they drop it after asking, it's a non-issue.


this, but she need to document it since TX is an employment at will state.  tell her to keep a journal with these requests, memos, and any comments made about them in the workplace.  they can ask her to volunteer, but they can't volunteer her.  if, for example, the company has a booth that is selling product or marketing the store at a gay prode event, they can certainly schedule her to work the booth and compensate her for those hours.  but if they attempt to force her to endorse a political platform by wearing apparel or marching, you can take that (with suitable documentation) to the texas workforce commission and the parent corporation.



understand, in TX i can fire an employee because i don't like the way they look as long as i say "it just isn't working out", but if i fire someone for a specific and suspect reason (race, gender, etc.), then i'm in trouble.  as an employee, the burden is going to be on her to demonstrate that she was indeed fired for a prohibited reason, and good documentation is the way to do that.  



but strykewolf has it right––don't make waves, but document everything at the time it happens.



but to clarify, i'm a manager with some experience in this stuff, not a lawyer.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:21:00 AM EDT
The company I work for have a no tobacco policy, and I am at work, chewing on an unlit cigar.
The company policy BS is getting stupid, and they use all kinds of reason to justify.

They also want to know what type of sports do I do away from the office, with a policy of wmployees should not engage in "dangerious" sports, in attempt to reduce insurance cost.  Me and 80% of all people who worked here refuse to answer the question, and eventually the policy is dropped.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:25:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 11:26:24 AM EDT by Fatbert]


I work part time at a public university. That's nothing.







<meta charset="utf-8"></meta>Originally Posted By DangerJ:

Never, ever talk politics in a work environment, unless it is VERY apparent that everyone is on the same page.





Wise words to live by.


 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:31:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By pen:
If they ASK and when told no they drop it, BFD.

If told they have to, well, that is different.


My work used to ask us to contribute to the terrorist orginazation The United Way. When personally asked by my boss why I was not donating money I explained how they got lawyers for suspected terrorists after 9/11 and it was dropped there. I dont think you can be forced to promote something you do not believe in.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:32:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 11:36:14 AM EDT by FreeFloater]
I thought the hive mentality here was do whatever your boss asks you to do...afterall, you should be happy to have a job.  If you don't like it...find another job.  I swear this should have been the standard response by everyone.  WTF is going on here?
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:33:14 AM EDT



Originally Posted By colklink:



My work used to ask us to contribute to the terrorist orginazation The United Way. When personally asked by my boss why I was not donating money I explained how they got lawyers for suspected terrorists after 9/11 and it was dropped there. I dont think you can be forced to promote something you do not believe in.


You don't believe in the right to a fair trial, and our system of innocent until proven guilty?



 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:35:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Molon-Labe:

Originally Posted By colklink:

My work used to ask us to contribute to the terrorist orginazation The United Way. When personally asked by my boss why I was not donating money I explained how they got lawyers for suspected terrorists after 9/11 and it was dropped there. I dont think you can be forced to promote something you do not believe in.

You don't believe in the right to a fair trial, and our system of innocent until proven guilty?
 



Sure do, but will not give my money to people that help terrorists.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:39:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 11:40:04 AM EDT by Molon-Labe]
I'm not a United Way fan or donor, and wasn't even aware that they were doing that, but raising money to ensure the right to representation and a fair trial doesn't seem to be a bad thing. Of course, you have the right to spend your money where you see fit also, and shouldn't be forced to "donate" to an organization you don't agree with.





ETA: We now return you to your regularly programmed thread.

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:41:18 AM EDT



Originally Posted By RedDogSoldier:





Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:




Originally Posted By jcncc:

Both requests are sexual harassment.


No shit.

 


Off subject:



Gonzo, will you please stop changing your avatar? It confuses the shit out of me.

 


... I've had this one for a long time now?

 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:51:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By Bubbles:
I'm just gonna tag this to see if any labor attorneys want to respond...

For $200 an hour I will.  
 


Is the answer 9.8 m/s?

Brian

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:52:44 AM EDT
Looks like it was handled well: They can ask whatever they want (within the law) but you can say no.

Just note that if they get mad and fire you.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:54:14 AM EDT




Originally Posted By timpryor:



Originally Posted By HarryStone:

If my boss told me he wanted me to represent the company at some public event, I would damn sure be getting paid to do it. And as long as I was just doing a job I wouldn't care what cause the event supported.





really, so you are saying you would go to a Brady campaign rally if your boss paid you?











I would.  Perfect opportunity to engage in some undercover pranksterism.  You just need to be creative with those kinds of opportunities.



Link Posted: 6/3/2010 11:55:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 11:56:06 AM EDT by eracer]




Originally Posted By FreeFloater:

I thought the hive mentality here was do whatever your boss asks you to do...afterall, you should be happy to have a job. If you don't like it...find another job. I swear this should have been the standard response by everyone. WTF is going on here?




That was only for that particular situation. The rules change all the time here depending on who's butt-hurt about what on what particular day of the week.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 12:06:49 PM EDT




Originally Posted By eracer:





Originally Posted By timpryor:



Originally Posted By HarryStone:

If my boss told me he wanted me to represent the company at some public event, I would damn sure be getting paid to do it. And as long as I was just doing a job I wouldn't care what cause the event supported.





really, so you are saying you would go to a Brady campaign rally if your boss paid you?











I would. Perfect opportunity to engage in some undercover pranksterism. You just need to be creative with those kinds of opportunities.





This.  Kind of like the whole "Crash the Teaparty" thing, but without the identity theft part.  Try to get interviewed by the TV news and start spouting off ridiculous claims/demands, like:  "6,000,000 children are killed by guns in the US every year!  That's the same number of Jews killed by the Nazis during all of World War II!  And that's happening to our kids, right here, every year!  Gun owners are worse than Nazis!" or "We want to make it so that the police can raid the home of anyone suspected of owning a gun at any time of day or night, without notice!  Those gun-owning bastards shouldn't have any rights at all!"  See if you can get other protesters around you (in the camera shot) to cheer you on or otherwise indicate their agreement.

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