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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:34:10 AM EST
Last year, or recently, there was a military installation collecting information on gun ownership from their service members.

Congress said " Absolutely not."

This is now coming up where I am stationed. I need links to the law, and the discussion that went on here. I have tried searching, but my internet skills are not so great.

I have been tasked by my command to gather this information, to see what is and is not allowed. Can you gentlemen and ladies help out really quickly, please.


I am not asking for the debate to be re-hashed, I need the info quick fast and in a hurry.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 10:38:43 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 10:40:47 AM EST


Awesome. I hope this is all that is needed.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 10:42:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2012 10:42:55 AM EST by USMC88-93]
http://www.army.mil/article/91466/Privately_owned_weapons__Focus_on_the_CAN__not_the_can_t/

FORT RUCKER, Ala. –– On Jan. 7, 2011, Public Law 111-383, also known as the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2011 or NDAA, was enacted.

"There is a great deal of controversy surrounding Public Law 111-383 among many Army commanders and leaders," said Tracey Russell, a safety and occupational health specialist for the U.S. Army Combat Readiness/Safety Center. "Much of the controversy is rooted in misperception."

At issue is Section 1062 of the law concerning the "prohibition of infringing on the individual right to lawfully acquire, possess, own, carry, and otherwise use privately owned firearms, ammunition, and other weapons." This section of the law, according to Russell, is intended to protect the Second Amendment rights of Service Members, but has been interpreted by many leaders to mean they can no longer talk to their Soldiers about privately owned weapons.

"At the heart of the issue is a portion of the law that states, in general, the secretary of defense (and subsequently subordinate commanders and leaders) shall not prohibit, issue any requirement relating to, or collect or record any information relating to the otherwise lawful acquisition, possession, ownership, carrying, or other use of a privately owned firearm, privately owned ammunition, or another privately owned weapon by a member of the Armed Forces," Russell said.

The law provides exceptions in the general rule for military installations and other properties owned or operated by the Department of Defense. Additionally, the law provides exceptions for situations such as the belief a Soldier presents a threat to themselves or others, further clarified in ALARACT 333/2011.

"Essentially, the law states that under normal conditions you can only inquire about or collect information on privately owned weapons brought onto a military owned or operated property or installation," said Lt. Col. James Smith, director, USACR/Safety Center Ground Directorate. "However, what the law does not do, in any shape or form, is prohibit commanders or leaders from discussing the safe handling of privately owned weapons with their Soldiers.

........................Continued at link
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 10:43:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2012 10:49:45 AM EST by USMCTanker]
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Last year, or recently, there was a military installation collecting information on gun ownership from their service members.

Congress said " Absolutely not."

This is now coming up where I am stationed. I need links to the law, and the discussion that went on here. I have tried searching, but my internet skills are not so great.

I have been tasked by my command to gather this information, to see what is and is not allowed. Can you gentlemen and ladies help out really quickly, please.


I am not asking for the debate to be re-hashed, I need the info quick fast and in a hurry.


Yikes. What in the world are these people thinking?

ETA: When I was back there last year, the "active shooter" scenario was a major concern on base. My OIC wanted to to arm our DNCO or DSNCO with a sidearm. We were able to track down the MCOs and BOs that allowed us to do so, but ultimately decided not to. Furthermore, "carrying" on base was a concern, with Marines keeping personally owned weapons in their POVs. All sorts of issues were discussed. Luckily, our Sgt Maj was pro 2A, so there wasn't any "witch hunt" over personally owned firearms.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 10:43:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:


Awesome. I hope this is all that is needed.


If not, someone will be along shortly to add anything I may have missed.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 10:45:03 AM EST
don't forget the congress action against the VA collecting info and running it against PTSD records
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 12:02:39 PM EST
Thank you, Gentlemen.

The info has been passed up the CoC. I am not trying to poke the stick in an eye, I am trying to ensure that any action taken is lawful, to help protect the Unit and my CoC. They truly are a good set of men, and I do not wish to see anything detrimental happen because of an ignorance of the law.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 1:54:52 PM EST
OK, now for the rest of the story, since I am home.

Earlier this year, the command was told by higher the same thing; Collect info on the guns. I told them back then it was illegal. Well, commands come and go, and here we are.

I do not know what was said in the original meeting, since I wasn't there, but the command came down again today; Collect theinfo for Force Preservation reasons, and that you had to have permission from the CO to own a pistol.

I asked the guy who told me who that had come from, and he said " The 1stSgt". Well, I went to see him. He is not a gun guy, and is oblivious to gun laws. He was just going by what was passed to him, interpreted by another guy who attended the meeting.

I informed my 1stSgt that it was illegal to collect a database of privately owned weapons, except for a few exceptions, and listed those exceptions. Then, I told him it was flat out wrong that the Commander had to approve of anyone OWNING a pistol, but by NC and Onslow County law, he had to sign off on Pistol Purchase Permits, before the Sheriff would approve the purchase. He sad " OK, let's go talk with the 1stSgt that attended themeeting." He wasn't in, so my 1stSgt says " Fuck it, let's go talk with the SgtMaj."

My asshole puckered.

Well, I explained it to him, and what the law on pistol ownership was, and he says " No, that changed." I told him that was incorrect, and reiterated what the law is, and that the CO cannot arbitrarily abridge my/anyones right of ownership.

He told me to find the law, and you gents helped out greatly. He is forwarding that law back up to Division, to see what the original and true word that they passed is, with the law included to see if they are in compliance with it

I told my 1stSgt that if it came back down to collect the info, that I no longer own weapons, they have all been transfered to my wife.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 1:57:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
OK, now for the rest of the story, since I am home.

Earlier this year, the command was told by higher the same thing; Collect info on the guns. I told them back then it was illegal. Well, commands come and go, and here we are.

I do not know what was said in the original meeting, since I wasn't there, but the command came down again today; Collect theinfo for Force Preservation reasons, and that you had to have permission from the CO to own a pistol.

I asked the guy who told me who that had come from, and he said " The 1stSgt". Well, I went to see him. He is not a gun guy, and is oblivious to gun laws. He was just going by what was passed to him, interpreted by another guy who attended the meeting.

I informed my 1stSgt that it was illegal to collect a database of privately owned weapons, except for a few exceptions, and listed those exceptions. Then, I told him it was flat out wrong that the Commander had to approve of anyone OWNING a pistol, but by NC and Onslow County law, he had to sign off on Pistol Purchase Permits, before the Sheriff would approve the purchase. He sad " OK, let's go talk with the 1stSgt that attended themeeting." He wasn't in, so my 1stSgt says " Fuck it, let's go talk with the SgtMaj."

My asshole puckered.

Well, I explained it to him, and what the law on pistol ownership was, and he says " No, that changed." I told him that was incorrect, and reiterated what the law is, and that the CO cannot arbitrarily abridge my/anyones right of ownership.

He told me to find the law, and you gents helped out greatly. He is forwarding that law back up to Division, to see what the original and true word that they passed is, with the law included to see if they are in compliance with it

I told my 1stSgt that if it came back down to collect the info, that I no longer own weapons, they have all been transfered to my wife.


out fucking standing
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:02:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Last year, or recently, there was a military installation collecting information on gun ownership from their service members.

Congress said " Absolutely not."

This is now coming up where I am stationed. I need links to the law, and the discussion that went on here. I have tried searching, but my internet skills are not so great.

I have been tasked by my command to gather this information, to see what is and is not allowed. Can you gentlemen and ladies help out really quickly, please.


I am not asking for the debate to be re-hashed, I need the info quick fast and in a hurry.


What unit are you in?
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:08:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
OK, now for the rest of the story, since I am home.

*SNIP*

Well done, sir. Good luck with everything.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:14:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
OK, now for the rest of the story, since I am home.

Earlier this year, the command was told by higher the same thing; Collect info on the guns. I told them back then it was illegal. Well, commands come and go, and here we are.

I do not know what was said in the original meeting, since I wasn't there, but the command came down again today; Collect theinfo for Force Preservation reasons, and that you had to have permission from the CO to own a pistol.

I asked the guy who told me who that had come from, and he said " The 1stSgt". Well, I went to see him. He is not a gun guy, and is oblivious to gun laws. He was just going by what was passed to him, interpreted by another guy who attended the meeting.

I informed my 1stSgt that it was illegal to collect a database of privately owned weapons, except for a few exceptions, and listed those exceptions. Then, I told him it was flat out wrong that the Commander had to approve of anyone OWNING a pistol, but by NC and Onslow County law, he had to sign off on Pistol Purchase Permits, before the Sheriff would approve the purchase. He sad " OK, let's go talk with the 1stSgt that attended themeeting." He wasn't in, so my 1stSgt says " Fuck it, let's go talk with the SgtMaj."

My asshole puckered.

Well, I explained it to him, and what the law on pistol ownership was, and he says " No, that changed." I told him that was incorrect, and reiterated what the law is, and that the CO cannot arbitrarily abridge my/anyones right of ownership.

He told me to find the law, and you gents helped out greatly. He is forwarding that law back up to Division, to see what the original and true word that they passed is, with the law included to see if they are in compliance with it

I told my 1stSgt that if it came back down to collect the info, that I no longer own weapons, they have all been transfered to my wife.


You might want to talk to your JAG as well. They should get involved and let the CO (or whoever is doing this) know that he can't do what he's trying to do.

Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:17:32 PM EST
If you're on base your fucked. The base CC is law. If you're off base then that's a no go on your command.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:18:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By nukldragr:
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Last year, or recently, there was a military installation collecting information on gun ownership from their service members.

Congress said " Absolutely not."

This is now coming up where I am stationed. I need links to the law, and the discussion that went on here. I have tried searching, but my internet skills are not so great.

I have been tasked by my command to gather this information, to see what is and is not allowed. Can you gentlemen and ladies help out really quickly, please.


I am not asking for the debate to be re-hashed, I need the info quick fast and in a hurry.


What unit are you in?


I'm on LeJeune. The order isn't coming from my command, it was supposedly passed by much higher. That is being hashed out.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:20:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By aimforthemedic:
If you're on base your fucked. The base CC is law. If you're off base then that's a no go on your command.


That was explained to them.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:25:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Originally Posted By nukldragr:
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Last year, or recently, there was a military installation collecting information on gun ownership from their service members.

Congress said " Absolutely not."

This is now coming up where I am stationed. I need links to the law, and the discussion that went on here. I have tried searching, but my internet skills are not so great.

I have been tasked by my command to gather this information, to see what is and is not allowed. Can you gentlemen and ladies help out really quickly, please.


I am not asking for the debate to be re-hashed, I need the info quick fast and in a hurry.


What unit are you in?


I'm on LeJeune. The order isn't coming from my command, it was supposedly passed by much higher. That is being hashed out.



CIC higher?

Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:27:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By Kashtin:
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Originally Posted By nukldragr:
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Last year, or recently, there was a military installation collecting information on gun ownership from their service members.

Congress said " Absolutely not."

This is now coming up where I am stationed. I need links to the law, and the discussion that went on here. I have tried searching, but my internet skills are not so great.

I have been tasked by my command to gather this information, to see what is and is not allowed. Can you gentlemen and ladies help out really quickly, please.


I am not asking for the debate to be re-hashed, I need the info quick fast and in a hurry.


What unit are you in?


I'm on LeJeune. The order isn't coming from my command, it was supposedly passed by much higher. That is being hashed out.



CIC higher?



?


much higher than BN level, supposedly. That is being inquired about by my CoC.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:37:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Originally Posted By nukldragr:
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Last year, or recently, there was a military installation collecting information on gun ownership from their service members.

Congress said " Absolutely not."

This is now coming up where I am stationed. I need links to the law, and the discussion that went on here. I have tried searching, but my internet skills are not so great.

I have been tasked by my command to gather this information, to see what is and is not allowed. Can you gentlemen and ladies help out really quickly, please.


I am not asking for the debate to be re-hashed, I need the info quick fast and in a hurry.


What unit are you in?


I'm on LeJeune. The order isn't coming from my command, it was supposedly passed by much higher. That is being hashed out.


Nothing like that here on Bragg......
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:40:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
OK, now for the rest of the story, since I am home.

Earlier this year, the command was told by higher the same thing; Collect info on the guns. I told them back then it was illegal. Well, commands come and go, and here we are.

I do not know what was said in the original meeting, since I wasn't there, but the command came down again today; Collect theinfo for Force Preservation reasons, and that you had to have permission from the CO to own a pistol.

I asked the guy who told me who that had come from, and he said " The 1stSgt". Well, I went to see him. He is not a gun guy, and is oblivious to gun laws. He was just going by what was passed to him, interpreted by another guy who attended the meeting.

I informed my 1stSgt that it was illegal to collect a database of privately owned weapons, except for a few exceptions, and listed those exceptions. Then, I told him it was flat out wrong that the Commander had to approve of anyone OWNING a pistol, but by NC and Onslow County law, he had to sign off on Pistol Purchase Permits, before the Sheriff would approve the purchase. He sad " OK, let's go talk with the 1stSgt that attended themeeting." He wasn't in, so my 1stSgt says " Fuck it, let's go talk with the SgtMaj."

My asshole puckered.

Well, I explained it to him, and what the law on pistol ownership was, and he says " No, that changed." I told him that was incorrect, and reiterated what the law is, and that the CO cannot arbitrarily abridge my/anyones right of ownership.

He told me to find the law, and you gents helped out greatly. He is forwarding that law back up to Division, to see what the original and true word that they passed is, with the law included to see if they are in compliance with it

I told my 1stSgt that if it came back down to collect the info, that I no longer own weapons, they have all been transfered to my wife.


Do you live in the barracks? Have CCW? You might go CRAZY!!!!!!!! (From another post)

Good on you SK, Thanks for your service to Country and to your fellow Marines
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:46:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By NCUrk:
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
OK, now for the rest of the story, since I am home.

Earlier this year, the command was told by higher the same thing; Collect info on the guns. I told them back then it was illegal. Well, commands come and go, and here we are.

I do not know what was said in the original meeting, since I wasn't there, but the command came down again today; Collect theinfo for Force Preservation reasons, and that you had to have permission from the CO to own a pistol.

I asked the guy who told me who that had come from, and he said " The 1stSgt". Well, I went to see him. He is not a gun guy, and is oblivious to gun laws. He was just going by what was passed to him, interpreted by another guy who attended the meeting.

I informed my 1stSgt that it was illegal to collect a database of privately owned weapons, except for a few exceptions, and listed those exceptions. Then, I told him it was flat out wrong that the Commander had to approve of anyone OWNING a pistol, but by NC and Onslow County law, he had to sign off on Pistol Purchase Permits, before the Sheriff would approve the purchase. He sad " OK, let's go talk with the 1stSgt that attended themeeting." He wasn't in, so my 1stSgt says " Fuck it, let's go talk with the SgtMaj."

My asshole puckered.

Well, I explained it to him, and what the law on pistol ownership was, and he says " No, that changed." I told him that was incorrect, and reiterated what the law is, and that the CO cannot arbitrarily abridge my/anyones right of ownership.

He told me to find the law, and you gents helped out greatly. He is forwarding that law back up to Division, to see what the original and true word that they passed is, with the law included to see if they are in compliance with it

I told my 1stSgt that if it came back down to collect the info, that I no longer own weapons, they have all been transfered to my wife.


Do you live in the barracks? Have CCW? You might go CRAZY!!!!!!!! (From another post)

Good on you SK, Thanks for your service to Country and to your fellow Marines


I live in my own house out in town. I do carry daily. I was thinking this was kinda surreal after the dust up from last night over military concealed carry on base.


Thanks.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:47:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By nukldragr:
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Originally Posted By nukldragr:
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Last year, or recently, there was a military installation collecting information on gun ownership from their service members.

Congress said " Absolutely not."

This is now coming up where I am stationed. I need links to the law, and the discussion that went on here. I have tried searching, but my internet skills are not so great.

I have been tasked by my command to gather this information, to see what is and is not allowed. Can you gentlemen and ladies help out really quickly, please.


I am not asking for the debate to be re-hashed, I need the info quick fast and in a hurry.


What unit are you in?


I'm on LeJeune. The order isn't coming from my command, it was supposedly passed by much higher. That is being hashed out.


Nothing like that here on Bragg......


It just hasn't made it's way down y'alls 87 channels of command yet. It'll probably hit in 6 months.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:48:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2012 2:49:53 PM EST by SKWhitlc]
[Well, that was odd.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 2:54:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
OK, now for the rest of the story, since I am home.

Earlier this year, the command was told by higher the same thing; Collect info on the guns. I told them back then it was illegal. Well, commands come and go, and here we are.

I do not know what was said in the original meeting, since I wasn't there, but the command came down again today; Collect theinfo for Force Preservation reasons, and that you had to have permission from the CO to own a pistol.

I asked the guy who told me who that had come from, and he said " The 1stSgt". Well, I went to see him. He is not a gun guy, and is oblivious to gun laws. He was just going by what was passed to him, interpreted by another guy who attended the meeting.

I informed my 1stSgt that it was illegal to collect a database of privately owned weapons, except for a few exceptions, and listed those exceptions. Then, I told him it was flat out wrong that the Commander had to approve of anyone OWNING a pistol, but by NC and Onslow County law, he had to sign off on Pistol Purchase Permits, before the Sheriff would approve the purchase. He sad " OK, let's go talk with the 1stSgt that attended themeeting." He wasn't in, so my 1stSgt says " Fuck it, let's go talk with the SgtMaj."

My asshole puckered.

Well, I explained it to him, and what the law on pistol ownership was, and he says " No, that changed." I told him that was incorrect, and reiterated what the law is, and that the CO cannot arbitrarily abridge my/anyones right of ownership.

He told me to find the law, and you gents helped out greatly. He is forwarding that law back up to Division, to see what the original and true word that they passed is, with the law included to see if they are in compliance with it

I told my 1stSgt that if it came back down to collect the info, that I no longer own weapons, they have all been transfered to my wife.






I almost lost a laptop to Pepsi spray because of that!

I went through the same thing when I was at Bragg. I told them that the serial numbers to my weapons were NTK123, NTK456, and NTK789.

The SFC who was collecting the info said "that's odd that the serial numbers are so close...are they the same type and manufacturer?"
Link Posted: 11/23/2012 4:22:34 PM EST
Is shit still rolling up hill or on its way back down?
Link Posted: 11/23/2012 4:23:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Originally Posted By nukldragr:
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Originally Posted By nukldragr:
Originally Posted By SKWhitlc:
Last year, or recently, there was a military installation collecting information on gun ownership from their service members.

Congress said " Absolutely not."

This is now coming up where I am stationed. I need links to the law, and the discussion that went on here. I have tried searching, but my internet skills are not so great.

I have been tasked by my command to gather this information, to see what is and is not allowed. Can you gentlemen and ladies help out really quickly, please.


I am not asking for the debate to be re-hashed, I need the info quick fast and in a hurry.


What unit are you in?


I'm on LeJeune. The order isn't coming from my command, it was supposedly passed by much higher. That is being hashed out.


Nothing like that here on Bragg......


It just hasn't made it's way down y'alls 87 channels of command yet. It'll probably hit in 6 months.


To be honest it may have come down and we just ignored it.
Link Posted: 11/23/2012 4:35:34 PM EST
I would never impose that bullshit on my Soldiers. Sounds like your commander is a pussy, and cares more about his image than the rights your unit has fought to preserve.
Link Posted: 11/23/2012 5:34:33 PM EST
Tagging just incase this kinda horseshit happens here.
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